Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

BlueHaze said:
Based on this it seems you've no clue how war works or even comprehend anything about the circumstances in this particular war. For the russians to win this quickly there will be a massive death toll as a result on both sides. There won't be any less lives lost just more dead quicker untill you are left with a nation that will live in opression.

The war has only begun and a great deal civillians are already dead. They are dropping bombs from jets on non military areas and villages where the only thing existing there are old people and their kids. So this delusional thought process from you is very strange.
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You have just entirely misunderstood the thrust of what I was saying.
 
That'sHernandez said:
It’s all about lines on a map and where superpowers’ weapons are kept. It’s all fecking made up to pit us against one another.

I find it absurd so many people buy into this crap.
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It's almost impressive how many times you've been wrong today. If you were a little less sanctimonious about it I'd be applauding.
 
That'sHernandez said:
I don’t know why you are arguing with me as though I have the answers to these questions. I am not a world leader or someone qualified to make decisions that prevent these actions. I’m just someone who thinks people across the world are the same, with more in common than what divides us and I find all of this entirely unnecessary and counterproductive to where we should be as a people.

This isn’t the 1940s any more. Once you open Pandora’s box on a world war in all likelihood humanity ceases to exist.
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I agree with you that most people are the same. But not everyone is. And Ukraine is not being invaded by the Russian people. It’s being invaded by Putin and his cronies. Putin is not the same as you and I, as the Ukrainians or the Russians. He’s a tyrant in control of a country. And just like with any dangerous person, Ted Bundy, Hitler or Stalin, you can’t treat them or expect the same things from them as you would from others. They’re prior behaviour tells you that they are not moral actors and so letting yourself be victimised by them won’t save you suffering- it’ll only encourage them to take advantage of you further.
 
Could be the Wildcard Putin didn't see coming - would be nice if he inadvertently started the beginning of his own downfall.
 
So this war is quite unique in the sense that Putin (so far) has tried to minimalise civilian collateral.

In a normal war, women and children are likely to be raped or hurt. Could anyone seriously, as a husband and father, just lay down your arms and surrender with a whimper? No way! There is just no way.
 
Rektsanwalt said:
Did you just realise democracy has risks? And that we would need constitutional mechanisms to control the state and the army?
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Yes democracy has risks. But your whole point is that we can't trust US because they voted for trump. So? The same can happen in Europe. And has. And our example was one million times worse.
And yes I saw how laughable EU mechanisms were during the Eurozone crisis. How can anyone can trust those people who opted to save banks than people to create stable mechanisms for an army?
 
That'sHernandez said:
You have just entirely misunderstood the thrust of what I was saying.
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Your underlying point of we are all human and we should all get along is a great Utopian ideal clearly. The issue is suggesting that people just up and leave their lives, their homes, their businesses and just "let Putin have it" its not worth it. Thats where the logic goes off the rails. People have been fighting for their homes and families forever.

That is not just a "line" on a map.
 
spiriticon said:
So this war is quite unique in the sense that Putin (so far) has tried to minimalise civilian collateral.

In a normal war, women and children are likely to be raped or hurt. Could anyone seriously, as a husband and father, just lay down your arms and surrender with a whimper? No way! There is no way.
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Minimise collateral by launching smerch into apartment blocks? Granted, what's he is not doing is carpet bombing cities, but there is not yet urban combat happening in full.
 
Robert Habeck, Germanys vice chancellor said yesterday evening that he's pretty sure that Russia will invade in the night.

Just now he was asked what he expects what will happen this night and he mumbled a bit, but didn't dare to say anything. Imo it was obvious he has more information that he can not or may not share. He looked frightened.



Andrij Melnyk the Ukrainian ambassador in germany confirmed that germany, Italy and cyprus blocked excluding Russia from the Swift system.
 
Hamnat said:
Your underlying point of we are all human and we should all get along is a great Utopian ideal clearly. The issue is suggesting that people just up and leave their lives, their homes, their businesses and just "let Putin have it" its not worth it. Thats where the logic goes off the rails. People have been fighting for their homes and families forever.

That is not just a "line" on a map.
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I am not saying that’s what people should do. I perhaps naively think that Putin has no desire to ship everyone off to a camp like it’s the 1940s still and systematically murder them like everyone else in this thread seems to. There is nothing in that plan that will benefit putin. Life for normal Ukrainians will more than likely resume as it was after the conflict is over, with a puppet government in place.

To be honest I don’t think that is even so naive. This is real life, not the action movie half the people in this thread seem to think it is.
 
Zelenskyy visibly upset paying tribute to soldiers who died trying to hold Snake Island:



 
The Firestarter said:
Minimise collateral by launching smerch into apartment blocks? Granted, what's he is not doing is carpet bombing cities, but there is not yet urban combat happening in full.
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I'm not saying that there are no civvie casualties, but yes he's clearly not carpet bombing everything just yet.
 
Hamnat said:
Thats where the logic goes off the rails. People have been fighting for their homes and families forever.

That is not just a "line" on a map.
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I think his point is that soldiers are exploited. Used by politicians who are typically their class enemies to commit crimes that are against their own interest. In that sense, it is just line on a map (the average Ukranian and average Russian have far more in common with each other than they do with any of their mutual leaders). In another sense, you are right. People (especially those being invaded) fight for different reasons and have been doing so forever.
 
Hamnat said:
Your underlying point of we are all human and we should all get along is a great Utopian ideal clearly. The issue is suggesting that people just up and leave their lives, their homes, their businesses and just "let Putin have it" its not worth it. Thats where the logic goes off the rails. People have been fighting for their homes and families forever.

That is not just a "line" on a map.
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It is a line on the map. How do you think Russians, Romanians, Poles, Hungarians ended up living in Ukraine?
 
That'sHernandez said:
Life for normal Ukrainians will more than likely resume as it was after the conflict is over, with a puppet government in place.
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This is the level of intellect people are being lectured by.

Ask people on the ground in Russia or Belarus how similar to life in a Russian controlled Ukraine would be to the life modern Ukrainians have spent decades building.
 
diarm said:
This is the level of intellect people are being lectured by.

Ask people on the ground in Russia or Belarus how similar to life in a Russian controlled Ukraine would be to the life modern Ukraine has spend decades building.
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He says, with an equal amount of knowledge of his own
 
That'sHernandez said:
I am not saying that’s what people should do. I perhaps naively think that Putin has no desire to ship everyone off to a camp like it’s the 1940s still and systematically murder them like everyone else in this thread seems to. There is nothing in that plan that will benefit putin. Life for normal Ukrainians will more than likely resume as it was after the conflict is over, with a puppet government in place.

To be honest I don’t think that is even so naive. This is real life, not the action movie half the people in this thread seem to think it is.
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I think this is thread ban worthy stuff and completely disrespectful. While you're at it, why don't you let an enemy kill your whole family? I mean biologically you will still breathe after that? BTW, if you commit a crime and go to prison life will still go on.

It's not the 1940s anymore prisons have food and gym time. Ridiculous.
 
spiriticon said:
I'm not saying that there are no civvie casualties, but yes he's clearly not carpet bombing everything just yet.
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They haven't reached the big cities yet on the ground and are in the outskirts of Kyiv. It will get messy no doubt.
 
Rado_N said:
Strange time to brag.
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Yes it does seem like an odd tweet, okay so British and UA intelligence is excellent and on the money. Well done. What difference has it really made? It's the kind of tweet you'd make having just won the war, not on the first day when Ukraine is on fire.
 
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