Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Now, i'm not sure democrats, or NATO as a whole for that matter, truly cares about Ukraine, but lets just presume that they do.

Was it not, in hindsight, profoundly reckless of them to back Gaetz personal vendetta? McCarthy you might have gotten something from, Mike Johnson is a hardcore ideologue, who will never give you anything, as has already been proven.

I think dems made a mistake here, and it will cost Ukraine a lot.
It is hard to tell with Republicans. But I said it at that time that I thought Democrats probably missed some opportunity to make some deals with McCarthy for keeping him there.
 
Now, i'm not sure democrats, or NATO as a whole for that matter, truly cares about Ukraine, but lets just presume that they do.

Was it not, in hindsight, profoundly reckless of them to back Gaetz personal vendetta? McCarthy you might have gotten something from, Mike Johnson is a hardcore ideologue, who will never give you anything, as has already been proven.

I think dems made a mistake here, and it will cost Ukraine a lot.
Yeah I think that turned out to be really dumb.
 
But of all the hundreds of tweets about this incident that happened almost a month ago you choose to post the one claiming it was done because of Nazism?
You're right, I've been rumbled, I'm anti Ukraine and we shouldn't support them because they're all Nazis :wenger:
 


The result of the west being incapable/not interested in matching production levels of Russia/Iran/NK.

Its a shame, cause at one point, Ukraine had destroyed enough enemy artillery to gain the advantage, but that's all gone now.
 
Bad source? It's the video?
Don’t act dumb. You know what the issue is. You shared Russian propaganda without giving it any context whatsoever. That’s not cool. Someone kindly gave you an opportunity to set this little mistake right. A reasonable person would just say „my bad, next time I’ll be more careful“. Instead you must create this drama, so you can be right. Tiresome.
 
Don’t act dumb. You know what the issue is. You shared Russian propaganda without giving it any context whatsoever. That’s not cool. Someone kindly gave you an opportunity to set this little mistake right. A reasonable person would just say „my bad, next time I’ll be more careful“. Instead you must create this drama, so you can be right. Tiresome.
I'm not, I didn't realise Don Salmon was a Russian asset.
 


Sounds a bleak situation, Ukraines western supporters don't seem to be ramping up the delivery on ammunition to match Russian production.

Ultimately if one side is firing 5 times are many shells than the other over the longer term, it's hard to overcome. Without a massive uptick in western support I don't see any route to the 1991 borders, a Russian victory of some type seems pretty inevitable to me now.
 
Sounds a bleak situation, Ukraines western supporters don't seem to be ramping up the delivery on ammunition to match Russian production.

Ultimately if one side is firing 5 times are many shells than the other over the longer term, it's hard to overcome. Without a massive uptick in western support I don't see any route to the 1991 borders, a Russian victory of some type seems pretty inevitable to me now.

There’s no such thing as a Russian victory at this point since their initial attempt to takeover the country has failed miserably. Also, they‘ve been consistently shooting exponentially more rounds at Ukraine than the Ukrainians have toward the Russian side, and yet have nothing to show for themselves beyond a frozen conflict and some largely rural territory in the south.
 
There’s no such thing as a Russian victory at this point since their initial attempt to takeover the country has failed miserably. Also, they‘ve been consistently shooting exponentially more rounds at Ukraine than the Ukrainians have toward the Russian side, and yet have nothing to show for themselves beyond a frozen conflict and some largely rural territory in the south.

Is there not? What is victory, what is defeat?

No, they may never reach Kyiv, Russian army, big as it is, is poorly trained and poorly equipped however, Ukraine is not getting anywhere either, and it seems, NATO is happy with just keeping Russia where they are, more or less.

The west is slowly, but surely, abandoning Ukraine, they are not in this for the long haul, Putin took a gamble and will probably win somewhat.

NATO don't care, they got Finland, Poland, Romania, to check them, now, the real test will be, down the line, if NATO has it in them to actually defend an actual member, Russia don't view Poland, Romania, the baltics, anymore "real countries" than they did Ukraine, they are just another part that "got away".

They are just pushing the problem down the line, hoping it will go away, but they are mistaken.
 
Is there not? What is victory, what is defeat?

No, they may never reach Kyiv, Russian army, big as it is, is poorly trained and poorly equipped however, Ukraine is not getting anywhere either, and it seems, NATO is happy with just keeping Russia where they are, more or less.

The west is slowly, but surely, abandoning Ukraine, they are not in this for the long haul, Putin took a gamble and will probably win somewhat.

NATO don't care, they got Finland, Poland, Romania, to check them, now, the real test will be, down the line, if NATO has it in them to actually defend an actual member, Russia don't view Poland, Romania, the baltics, anymore "real countries" than they did Ukraine, they are just another part that "got away".

They are just pushing the problem down the line, hoping it will go away, but they are mistaken.

The US and Europe have 300billion in frozen Russian assets they can use to continue funding for another 5 years.
 
The US and Europe have 300billion in frozen Russian assets they can use to continue funding for another 5 years.

Well, better start using them then, considering Ukraine is getting absolutely dominated in regards to artillery shells, as of late...
 
Is there not? What is victory, what is defeat?

No, they may never reach Kyiv, Russian army, big as it is, is poorly trained and poorly equipped however, Ukraine is not getting anywhere either, and it seems, NATO is happy with just keeping Russia where they are, more or less.

The west is slowly, but surely, abandoning Ukraine, they are not in this for the long haul, Putin took a gamble and will probably win somewhat.

NATO don't care, they got Finland, Poland, Romania, to check them, now, the real test will be, down the line, if NATO has it in them to actually defend an actual member, Russia don't view Poland, Romania, the baltics, anymore "real countries" than they did Ukraine, they are just another part that "got away".

They are just pushing the problem down the line, hoping it will go away, but they are mistaken.
I think the powers that be are happy to see a stalemate that destroys the Russian war machine. But I do think they will increase support if Russia start to make progress.

If Russia retreats they might start attacking someone like Georgia we can't supply, I'm not sure the military leaders want that.
 
Is there not? What is victory, what is defeat?

No, they may never reach Kyiv, Russian army, big as it is, is poorly trained and poorly equipped however, Ukraine is not getting anywhere either, and it seems, NATO is happy with just keeping Russia where they are, more or less.

The west is slowly, but surely, abandoning Ukraine, they are not in this for the long haul, Putin took a gamble and will probably win somewhat.

NATO don't care, they got Finland, Poland, Romania, to check them, now, the real test will be, down the line, if NATO has it in them to actually defend an actual member, Russia don't view Poland, Romania, the baltics, anymore "real countries" than they did Ukraine, they are just another part that "got away".

They are just pushing the problem down the line, hoping it will go away, but they are mistaken.

This is also my reading of the situation, all the talk about supporting Ukraine as long as required isn't being backed up with action. The Ukrainian economy is wrecked and their ability to sustain the fight without western support is questionable at best. Western leaders will force Ukraine into a peace deal by cutting off support, and it will almost certainly include territorial concessions after sham referendums in the East and southern areas of Ukraine. It's not been what Putin wanted but he's been prepared to throw hundreds of thousands of lives into the grinder in order to wear down his foes.

I think the west should commit to an Ukrainian victory and supply them with the weapons to do it, but I don't see any political will for this, leaving the only real alternative as some form of Russian victory.
 
I really don't get how there isn't any serious noise about taking the confiscated Russian assets and giving them to Ukraine. It seems such an obvious step at this point, regardless of any precedent it might set.
 
I really don't get how there isn't any serious noise about taking the confiscated Russian assets and giving them to Ukraine. It seems such an obvious step at this point, regardless of any precedent it might set.

Because all this assets are from people that rubbed shoulders with any rich and powerful personality of US, europe and any other country. They are friends and they share interests.

Once the conflict will be over, they will unfreeze most of the assets but a few that maybe had been defenestrated or scapegoats
 
Because all this assets are from people that rubbed shoulders with any rich and powerful personality of US, europe and any other country. They are friends and they share interests.

Once the conflict will be over, they will unfreeze most of the assets but a few that maybe had been defenestrated or scapegoats

Even if all they did was give away the assets of the already defenstrated that must be worth something. Utterly bonkers that there is no serious groundswell for it.
 
Because all this assets are from people that rubbed shoulders with any rich and powerful personality of US, europe and any other country. They are friends and they share interests.

Once the conflict will be over, they will unfreeze most of the assets but a few that maybe had been defenestrated or scapegoats
I think it's more systemic than about individual people. We keep learning at each crisis that it's much more important to protect the financial sector and the idea you're money is safe, than actually protect people.
 
I really don't get how there isn't any serious noise about taking the confiscated Russian assets and giving them to Ukraine. It seems such an obvious step at this point, regardless of any precedent it might set.

Isnt it because despite it being an ethical thing to do its probably against international law and framework we've built our capalist societies around. And yeah im aware Russia is violating international law on a daily basis.
 
Isnt it because despite it being an ethical thing to do its probably against international law and framework we've built our capalist societies around. And yeah im aware Russia is violating international law on a daily basis.

I don't believe it's an insurmountable problem, they just need to put the appropriate effort in, pass the acts of Parliament or whatever. The problem is they don't want to open the can of worms in case anyone should want to do it to other "allies'" ill gotten gains. The newspapers should be making a fuss though. It will be the new Post Office scandal at some point but not when Ukraine actually need it to be i.e. now.

Odd that the Ukrainians themselves are not calling for it more vociferously.
 
I don't believe it's an insurmountable problem, they just need to put the appropriate effort in, pass the acts of Parliament or whatever. The problem is they don't want to open the can of worms in case anyone should want to do it to other "allies'" ill gotten gains. The newspapers should be making a fuss though. It will be the new Post Office scandal at some point but not when Ukraine actually need it to be i.e. now.

Odd that the Ukrainians themselves are not calling for it more vociferously.

Well i do think think setting a precedent could cause issues. Lets say China start using that as leverage over Taiwan or conflicting issues with the west in general. I think the powers that be dont want to open that can of worms.
 
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Well i do think think setting a precedent could cause issues. Lets China start using that as leverage over Taiwan or conflicting issues with the west in general. I think the powers that be dont want to open that can of worms.
Also, I think it's quite clear the West isn't interested in completely crushing Russia. Those freezed assets can come in handy as leverage during negotiations. Once you remove that leverage, it'll obviously hurt Russia financially but it also may "unleash" them a bit more to become a lot more aggressive.

Anyway, there's a lot more at play here.
 
Corbyn again being disingenous in the sense that it's not at all perfectly clear that it happened the way he describes it.

 
Love that stuff. Its not Russia or Putin but NATO and West who are at fault for the war. Not only that, they pressured Zelenski not to accept the peace deal Russians so generously offered.

They attacked, occupied, pillaged, killed, burned, destroyed and then were so kind to offer a peace deal to Zelenski only for NATO and West to pressure him not to take it. Bastards!
 
Well i do think think setting a precedent could cause issues. Lets say China start using that as leverage over Taiwan or conflicting issues with the west in general. I think the powers that be dont want to open that can of worms.

We owe the Chinese money though, not the other way round.