Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

That_Bloke said:
Oh I'm fully aware and under no illusion. Being all worked up, you kinda missed my point.

I just wish some on this forum would come off that high horse which has been shot by a 155mm shell aeons ago, and call a spade a spade.
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I just think it's gotten a bit boring playing the 2004 hits. It beats the Vietcong hits, but not by much. I find it especially funny when talking about conflicts in regions where every country involved has more skeletons hidden away than any Vegas hotel has closets.
 
VorZakone said:
I think this is a good point to remember. Regardless of Western aid, I expect Ukraine to continue to fight but Russia will make frontline gains as Ukraine eventually has to shift to lower intensity resistance.

Also, the West has influence on Ukraine while providing aid. I think I recall reading that Ukraine had plans on attacking Wagner in Syria but eventually halted those plans. But if we stop giving aid, there is less incentive for Ukraine to consult the West or take the West's interests into account. And things may get nastier than they already are.

Anyway, Western aid will likely continue.

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You have to remember how incompetent and fatigued the Russian side are as well. They're literally using prisoners and other Russians who aren't allowed to leave the battlefield under penalty of execution, to fight for them. This is not the initial wave of fresh Russian troops complimented by Wagner that we saw in the first 6-12 months of the conflict. Therefore at this point, Putin may appear to be unrelenting by sending new waves of missiles every day, but the actual manpower to take any substantial Ukrainian cities is highly questionable - even with Ukrainians running low on ammo.
 
Abizzz said:
I wish I had the confidence to claim other people in power in countries far away only act the way they do because of my opinion about them.
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Thats why i put it in plural. The same opinion in numbers matters even if it ia only to identify another way to make business from us
 
I guess George W Bush was on to something with his “Axis of Evil” including Iran and North Korea, the two countries supplying Russia.
 
Suedesi said:
I'm not sure how one could attempt a full-scale invasion of Ukraine using 190,000 troops against Ukraine's 700,000. It seems Moscow aimed to instigate a coup, establish a puppet government, consolidate control over Crimea, secure concessions in the eastern regions, and then conclude their "special operation". Clearly, they grossly miscalculated, failing to anticipate the fierce resistance that significantly thwarted their efforts.
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So you’re now denying Russia attempted a full scale invasion of Ukraine?!?! Seriously?!?! Talk about trying to rewrite history. You are in denial my foolish friend.
 
For those that still don’t get how to deal with Russia, a real case study provided by Ukrianian armed forces:


Ukraine now exports more grain through black sea than at a time of grain agreement mediated by Turkey / UN. After russia has unilaterally from the agreement and decided to impose a black sea blockade, Ukraine responded by driving out russian black sea fleet from Crimea by force using the kinetic means.
 
Rajma said:
For those that still don’t get how to deal with Russia, a real case study provided by Ukrianian armed forces:


Ukraine now exports more grain through black sea than at a time of grain agreement mediated by Turkey / UN. After russia has unilaterally from the agreement and decided to impose a black sea blockade, Ukraine responded by driving out russian black sea fleet from Crimea by force using the kinetic means.
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Also worth mentioning is that a deal with Putin means nothing at all. He would simply treat it as a pause in fighting to re-attack further into Ukrainian territory at a later date. The reason he shouldn't be allowed to take all of Ukraine is the same reason he shouldn't be allowed to take any of it.
 
calodo2003 said:
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Those M242 Bushmaster chain guns are no joke.

Meanwhile in Saint Petersburg, disgruntled Russians did this as a response to a Putin-ordered raid that forced masses of workers to fight in Ukraine. The smoke from that fire is really something else over the city when you see the last picture in the thread.

 
I suppose when you're not allowed to protest, or even speak, you turn to other options.
 
Raoul said:
It certainly would for authoritarian dictatorships seeking to invade their neighbors for no valid reason.
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You're talking about China? There's no alternative to the USD, it's not like holding EUR or JPY would work any better when Xi invades Taiwan.
 
Russian war propagandist bloggers were suspiciously quick to jump on the “friendly fire” bandwagon this night. However, Ukraine’s commander-in-chief Zaluzhnyi just put out a statement saying it was the work of Ukrainian armed forces, which opens up a lot of questions when it comes to the nature of the weapons that were used to down them as in practice they should have been out of reach for the weapons that Ukraine possesses, unless they were given some new toys. Not only downing of A50 is significant in itself on a strategic level given that they only have something like 5-6 in operational state and 9 in total but more importantly the crew died too for the tech that is no longer being produced as well. Apparently, linking A50 with S400 battery radars was russian response to the imminent threat of f-16, as they expand the “visibility” range for S400 AD system allowing them to detect f-16 from further distances. I bet there are some panic stations now in russian military HQ.

 
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Ekkie Thump said:
My recollection (and it may well be faulty) was that Ukraine took the US's warning of an impending invasion to be scare mongering and were initially caught with their trousers down.
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They weren't, they used their capabilities at the time very well to stop the invasion. Hadn't they done that, they wouldn't have been able to defend Hostomel airport, wouldn't have been able to stop the convoy rolling towards Kiyv and therefore would have lost their capital quite quickly.
 
stefan92 said:
They weren't, they used their capabilities at the time very well to stop the invasion. Hadn't they done that, they wouldn't have been able to defend Hostomel airport, wouldn't have been able to stop the convoy rolling towards Kiyv and therefore would have lost their capital quite quickly.
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Yeah, that's fair enough concerning Kyiv, but in the South they were completely overrun and were fighting for control of Kherson within a day. That ultimately cost them the entire seaboard west of the Dnipro. The latter is what I had in mind with the trousers down comment.
 
Ekkie Thump said:
Yeah, that's fair enough concerning Kyiv, but in the South they were completely overrun and were fighting for control of Kherson within a day. That ultimately cost them the entire seaboard west of the Dnipro. The latter is what I had in mind with the trousers down comment.
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I think lots of that was because of corruption and turncoats. Bridges that were meant to be blown weren't and units switching sides didn't help the cause.
 
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