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E-mal said:
I think we need to forget about winning for second else we continue papering over the cracks for some fa cup.
It is that winning nonsense that has made us bring Casemiro and his likes, past it footballers.
We need to look at our football and go back to the basics. Sign young upcoming players and bring a manager that can actually help them play cohesively to qualify for Europe. We have no business talking about trophies, we are so far off it at the moment.
It's like people don't realize how shite we have become
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Quite the opposite actually

It’s getting managers with no history of major success which has set us back IMO.

Van Gaal, who was years out the top level club game, and Mourinho were the only two managers with any history of success. Mourinho is still comfortably our most successful manager. Van Gaal won the FA Cup.

What have the managers who came here without any major success - Moyes, Ole Solskjaer, Rangnick, Ten Hag - won us? One league cup between them.

Nowadays this idea that a nothing manager goes straight to a top club and is successful is fanciful. It doesn't really happen.

United need a manager with standing, prestige and who commands respect. Getting a Potter or De Zerbi is only ending one way. It’s so predictable. Why not try the successful manager approach again? Make some progress shall we? Would be nice
 
Well guess I’m wrong, thought Amorim would be more ambitious, but he will get a big raise and the pressure will not be the same as Liverpool or even Sporting to be fair.

Good thing is he is leaving, Sporting is not supposed to be this good.
 
Deco10Legend said:
Well guess I’m wrong, thought Amorim would be more ambitious, but he will get a big raise and the pressure will not be the same as Liverpool or even Sporting to be fair.

Good thing is he is leaving, Sporting is not supposed to be this good.
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West Ham aren't quite a sleeping giant but they definitely have potential to cause a ruckus to that top 6 stranglehold with the set up they have.
 
Deco10Legend said:
Well guess I’m wrong, thought Amorim would be more ambitious, but he will get a big raise and the pressure will not be the same as Liverpool or even Sporting to be fair.

Good thing is he is leaving, Sporting is not supposed to be this good.
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Whoever takes the Liverpool job is walking into something impossible. They will never live up to Klopp.

They should really just look for someone to come in and be steady for 2 years, then perhaps look for the Klopp replacement.
 
Dumbstar said:
I reckon it's the eye watering release clause amount.
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I would argue it's a worthy gamble given the relatively poor manager market right now.

Who would you take instead?
 
SilentWitness said:
West Ham aren't quite a sleeping giant but they definitely have potential to cause a ruckus to that top 6 stranglehold with the set up they have.
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We are I'm theory on that group below the too 6. If you look at the finances it's quite the gulf between them.and the rest, though Newcastle will probably slot into the middle if that gulf thanks to the champions league they had this year. Still we comfortably conform to the ffp rules both old and new with some headroom so that all helps.

I'd imagine we could be a great stepping stone for a young manager. With Steiden here (he was quite instrumental in getting in alot of the players that have helped Bayer win the title in Germany) I suspect the profile of player will be shifting towards younger end of the range going forward.
 
JB08 said:
I would argue it's a worthy gamble given the relatively poor manager market right now.

Who would you take instead?
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There are lots of similar options but Xabi would have been ideal. I still want Amorim but if we lose this €20-30 million gamble and have to release him again in a year or two that gamble will have compounded. And potentially have to pay another release amount for the next manager we have in mind. Three release amounts for one gamble. :eek:

Apparently there are names flying around like Arnie Slot, S Inzagi, Motta. No one is going to come even close to Klopp so hope Edwards has got his best Worzel thinking head on. :(
 
Koldbeer2021 said:
We are I'm theory on that group below the too 6. If you look at the finances it's quite the gulf between them.and the rest, though Newcastle will probably slot into the middle if that gulf thanks to the champions league they had this year. Still we comfortably conform to the ffp rules both old and new with some headroom so that all helps.

I'd imagine we could be a great stepping stone for a young manager. With Steiden here (he was quite instrumental in getting in alot of the players that have helped Bayer win the title in Germany) I suspect the profile of player will be shifting towards younger end of the range going forward.
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I agree financially they have the muscle but I think you've made smart transfer moves recently and have a good backroom set up now. Also think that London pull really helps and your performances in Europe recently have put you on the map a bit more/helps breed confidence and experience at that level.
 
Hilarious that their first and second choice to replace Klopp have both turned them down. Those managers are no fools, they know this little period of “glory” :lol: is over for Liverpool and the future of the club is bleak. You love to see it.
 
SilentWitness said:
West Ham aren't quite a sleeping giant but they definitely have potential to cause a ruckus to that top 6 stranglehold with the set up they have.
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I guess the meeting was a disaster, but in theory that could work nicely for both parties since Amorim could probably get a big job by getting into the top 5-6 range for a couple years and in terms of the players suiting his tactics, Kudus and Bowen behind a new #9, midfield of Alvarez and JWP/Soucek (probably want to buy a young player here to develop into an upgrade on those guys) is a solid start to a 3-4-2-1 type team. He'd probably need some real money to spend though, more than even just the Paqueta fee, to get in at least 2-3 new defenders for a back 5 though, along with an always expensive striker. Wonder if that's what killed the meeting (if the report is true).
 
IRELANDUNITED said:
Hilarious that their first and second choice to replace Klopp have both turned them down. Those managers are no fools, they know this little period of “glory” :lol: is over for Liverpool and the future of the club is bleak. You love to see it.
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Unfortunately, I think Liverpool will be fine in the long term. There'll be a transitional period next season post Klopp. But if they bring in the right manager and Edwards works his magic again, I can see them staying competitive at the top.

They have a lot of talented young players with room to grow:

Danns (18)
Clark (19)
Bajcetic (19)
Bradley (20)
Quansah (21)
Elliot (21)
Gravenberch (21)
Jones (23)
Szoboszlai (23)

Then the mid range players (24-27)

Kelleher
TAA
MacAllister
Gakpo
Diaz
Darwin
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
Unfortunately, I think Liverpool will be fine in the long term. There'll be a transitional period next season post Klopp. But if they bring in the right manager and Edwards works his magic again, I can see them staying competitive at the top.

They have a lot of talented young players with room to grow:

Danns (18)
Clark (19)
Bajcetic (19)
Bradley (20)
Quansah (21)
Elliot (21)
Gravenberch (21)
Jones (23)
Szoboszlai (23)

Then the mid range players (24-27)

Kelleher
TAA
MacAllister
Gakpo
Diaz
Darwin
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No, not a chance. They’re f*cked.
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
Unfortunately, I think Liverpool will be fine in the long term. There'll be a transitional period next season post Klopp. But if they bring in the right manager and Edwards works his magic again, I can see them staying competitive at the top.

They have a lot of talented young players with room to grow:

Danns (18)
Clark (19)
Bajcetic (19)
Bradley (20)
Quansah (21)
Elliot (21)
Gravenberch (21)
Jones (23)
Szoboszlai (23)

Then the mid range players (24-27)

Kelleher
TAA
MacAllister
Gakpo
Diaz
Darwin
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Maybe. Their owners don’t care anymore than ours though and before Klopp they were in the absolute pits on at a depth we haven’t yet reached.
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
Unfortunately, I think Liverpool will be fine in the long term. There'll be a transitional period next season post Klopp. But if they bring in the right manager and Edwards works his magic again, I can see them staying competitive at the top.

They have a lot of talented young players with room to grow:

Danns (18)
Clark (19)
Bajcetic (19)
Bradley (20)
Quansah (21)
Elliot (21)
Gravenberch (21)
Jones (23)
Szoboszlai (23)

Then the mid range players (24-27)

Kelleher
TAA
MacAllister
Gakpo
Diaz
Darwin
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I think a lot of those young players have been propped up by the fact Klopp has them punching well above their weight.

It'll be interesting to see how many of that first group are still viewed as being talented in a year or two. My suspicion is it will only be Bradley, Elliott and possibly Szoboszlai.
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
Unfortunately, I think Liverpool will be fine in the long term. There'll be a transitional period next season post Klopp. But if they bring in the right manager and Edwards works his magic again, I can see them staying competitive at the top.

They have a lot of talented young players with room to grow:

Danns (18)
Clark (19)
Bajcetic (19)
Bradley (20)
Quansah (21)
Elliot (21)
Gravenberch (21)
Jones (23)
Szoboszlai (23)

Then the mid range players (24-27)

Kelleher
TAA
MacAllister
Gakpo
Diaz
Darwin
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Edwards is coming back as CEO of FSG. His input will be more commercial than football.

The young players you mentioned are all nice players but hardly players who have shown world class potential. 75m Szoboszlai is literally only good for a few long shot attempts per game at the moment. Gravenberch hasn't exactly impressed under Klopp, and I doubt he will look much better under an inferior manager.

They are going to experience a fall, it might not be next season but its coming.
 
CM said:
I think a lot of those young players have been propped up by the fact Klopp has them punching well above their weight.

It'll be interesting to see how many of that first group are still viewed as being talented in a year or two. My suspicion is it will only be Bradley, Elliott and possibly Szoboszlai.
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I think Bajcetic is as talented as Mainoo. He's just been injured a lot since his breakthrough. Bit of a growth spurt over the past year too.

It will be interesting to see how he does next season if he puts the calf injury behind him and adapts to his new body. He could be their answer to replacing Fabinho, which they still haven't done.

Doak is also very highly rated, but has also been out injured.
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
Unfortunately, I think Liverpool will be fine in the long term. There'll be a transitional period next season post Klopp. But if they bring in the right manager and Edwards works his magic again, I can see them staying competitive at the top.

They have a lot of talented young players with room to grow:

Danns (18)
Clark (19)
Bajcetic (19)
Bradley (20)
Quansah (21)
Elliot (21)
Gravenberch (21)
Jones (23)
Szoboszlai (23)

Then the mid range players (24-27)

Kelleher
TAA
MacAllister
Gakpo
Diaz
Darwin
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From those youngsters you've listed, Bajcetic and Elliott are elite level talents.

Jones and Szoboszlai are pretty good.

I don't know anything about Clark.

The rest aren't anything special if they want to win league titles and UCLs in the future.

Your "mid range" player list is similar.

-Trent is one the most unique RB profiles the sport has seen, and he's one of the best in his position, but we'll see if their new manager can use him like Klopp did. I reckon Slot might be able to, and it would be a huge benefit to the team, because wasting Trent in a "normal" RB role without making him a chance creating machine is, well, a huge waste.

-Kelleher is decent, but as long as they have Alisson, they won't have to worry about goalkeepers. When he leaves, they'll look for a new one.

-Mac Allister, Gakpo and Díaz are all decent players, but do you really think they'll be key players for a non-Klopp side competing for the biggest trophies? Maybe Gakpo on the left, if he sorts himself out, because he's a big talent.

-Darwin is pretty good, contrary to the popular opinion.
 
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Not really been following, but has there been any murmurs of linking him to the United job?

Still a massive gamble but would much rather him than some of the drab names we're linked to like Potter and feckin Southgate. Tuchel is a more palatable option but I'd still rather we go with Amorim if that option is open to us.
 
Remember the geese said:
Agreed. He looks a monstrous talent :lol: Also, I've just noticed that you've said that Elliott is an elite level talent. Is this a wind up?
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Why would it be? Because I don't share the general opinion? Both Gakpo and Elliott have the tools to be key players for a top team that can compete for the PL and CL.
 
He wants total control of transfers+not to work under a sporting director according to the reports coming out of portugal. Really, really limiting his choices if that is indeed true.

Would explain why he went from favourite to out of the picture following his meeting with us and why the same seems to be happening after his interview with Tim steidten at West Ham.

Good luck finding a decent EPL club where you have sole control of transfers.
 
Remember the geese said:
So can any old shite managed by Klopp. Both are very average.
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No, this is exactly the point of my post. I'm actually disagreeing with the person that I originally replied to.

A lot of their players are going to be bang average without Klopp, but there are exceptions. Gakpo is a very good player who isn't being used optimally right now. Elliott isn't a guaranteed starter at this point, but trust me, he's very good despite being a cnut.

Right now, their squad is a top 4 challenging team at best, so still being in the title race in April is an overachievement for them.

However, within the next 2 or 3 years, they'll basically lose Klopp, van Dijk, Salah, and maybe even Trent. I'd consider all 4 of them irreplaceable for Liverpool. I also expect them to go through a few managers in the next 5 years, not because they'll hire incompetent clowns, but because they won't be on Klopp's level, and Liverpool don't have as big of a pull as other historic giant clubs.

So overall, I'm disagreeing with the post saying they'll be fine, because it's more likely than not IMO, that they'll be just in and out of the top 4 for the next ~3-5 years, much like how we have been doing for the last 11 seasons.

It doesn't mean that I'm on a wind up just because I think they have a few very talented players. Basically at least 15 out of the 20 PL teams have at least a few exceptional players these days.
 
Rojofiam said:
No, this is exactly the point of my post. I'm actually disagreeing with the person that I originally replied to.

A lot of their players are going to be bang average without Klopp, but there are exceptions. Gakpo is a very good player who isn't being used optimally right now. Elliott isn't a guaranteed starter at this point, but trust me, he's very good despite being a cnut.

Right now, their squad is a top 4 challenging team at best, so still being in the title race in April is an overachievement for them.

However, within the next 2 or 3 years, they'll basically lose Klopp, van Dijk, Salah, and maybe even Trent. I'd consider all 4 of them irreplaceable for Liverpool. I also expect them to go through a few managers in the next 5 years, not because they'll hire incompetent clowns, but because they won't be on Klopp's level, and Liverpool don't have as big of a pull as other historic giant clubs.

So overall, I'm disagreeing with the post saying they'll be fine, because it's more likely than not IMO, that they'll be just in and out of the top 4 for the next ~3-5 years, much like how we have been doing for the last 11 seasons.

It doesn't mean that I'm on a wind up just because I think they have a few very talented players. Basically at least 15 out of the 20 PL teams have at least a few exceptional players these days.
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Agreed that they are punching above their weight due to their manager. I just don't rate either Gakpo or Elliott very highly. Any time they line up with Elliott and Jones, I'm thrilled. Only for them to go on and win anyway because of Klopp. Gakpo is just a less talented version of Rashford. Funnily enough, the one player of theirs I feel you've underrated is Mac Allister. Looks like their most important player.
 
Remember the geese said:
Agreed that they are punching above their weight due to their manager. I just don't rate either Gakpo or Elliott very highly. Any time they line up with Elliott and Jones, I'm thrilled. Only for them to go on and win anyway because of Klopp. Gakpo is just a less talented version of Rashford. Funnily enough, the one player of theirs I feel you've underrated is Mac Allister. Looks like their most important player.
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In this current system, he admittedly looks very good. However, if they don't sign a new #6 for the next manager, I think their midfield will be very weak post-Klopp. Endo isn't going to cut it long-term, and he's their only true defensive midfielder.
 
Rojofiam said:
In this current system, he admittedly looks very good. However, if they don't sign a new #6 for the next manager, I think their midfield will be very weak post-Klopp. Endo isn't going to cut it long-term, and he's their only true defensive midfielder.
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Agreed. They definitely need a top DM. Unless Bajcetic can be that guy.
 
Remember the geese said:
Agreed. They definitely need a top DM. Unless Bajcetic can be that guy.
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I'd say Bajcetic would be wasted there, similarly to how Mainoo's strengths are maximized further up the pitch, rather than at #6. He's a very good ball carrier amongst other things.
 
Rojofiam said:
I'd say Bajcetic would be wasted there, similarly to how Mainoo's strengths are maximized further up the pitch, rather than at #6. He's a very good ball carrier amongst other things.
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I do like what I've seen of him. Will be interesting to see who they target as a DM because we should be in for one ourselves.
 
RashysTekkers said:
Probably another flavour of the season like Jardim, Villas Boas etc
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Unlike Villas Boas who only had a couple of good seasons as a manager, Jardim is actually a very good manager with a solid CV during almost all of his career. He just chosen money over career prestige, preferring to manage Al Hilal rather than accepting offers from Southampton and Leicester (he actually won 2 Asian CL in Al Hilal which gave him a huge bonus).

Not saying he would be a manager good enough for a top EPL club, but he would clearly be competent enough to be an EPL manager.
 
Remember the geese said:
I do like what I've seen of him. Will be interesting to see who they target as a DM because we should be in for one ourselves.
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That ship has probably sailed but I would've loved Palhinha at United for a decent price. He's 29 soon, though, and Fulham will probably ask for something ridiculous for him. Could be a Casemiro type of mistake for big money.
 
el_loco_bielsa said:
He wants total control of transfers+not to work under a sporting director according to the reports coming out of portugal. Really, really limiting his choices if that is indeed true.

Would explain why he went from favourite to out of the picture following his meeting with us and why the same seems to be happening after his interview with Tim steidten at West Ham.

Good luck finding a decent EPL club where you have sole control of transfers.
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Yeah INEOS seem to have defined ideas of what they want so he wouldn't get control of transfers here
 
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