Hope he does a great job but after more than a decade of failures I am lacking enthusiasm
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Delighted with this appointment, very highly rated done an unbelievable job at Sporting.One of his big strengths seems to be his communication, something by all accounts Eric seemed to lack.Fair play to Ineos they knew who they wanted and got it done very quickly.
Now, we fans just need to show a bit of patience!
Now, we fans just need to show a bit of patience!
Beard is best.
Yeah I pray he doesn't compromise too much and if he doesn't have players that play they way he wants his record as mentioned by @Sly with promoting youth is very encouraging. We should stop being too polite to some blatant wage thieves within the squad, this is where I also feel ETH and Ole failed, they tolerated, for far too long, some really flawed players for the sale of unity. We should be absolutely ruthless with no hopers like Maresca has done at Chelsea.
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It was the Wright brothers wasn’t it? I think they were pedalling.
The important bit to note is that he's the first United 'manager' to be given the title 'Head Coach'.
That's what a 'manager' is now, let's see if our fans understand that!
His job is NOT to worry about transfers or contract negotiations. Too many football fans are fixated on judging a manager by the players that happen to be transferred to the club during their tenure. It's an increasingly small factor.
The sole criteria I will use to judge Amorim over the next 18-months is our performances. I don't care about winning trophies, I don't care about where we finish in the league, I don't care about results, even.
What I DO care about is seeing a clear and obvious development of a system, or systems, that works for the squad that we have and helps us control football matches, create chances to score and reduce opposition chances on our own goal. That's literally it.
If we play Southampton at home and we have 20 shots to their 1, and 70% possession to their 30%, and lose the game 0-1, you won't hear a squeak of complaint from me.
By the same token, I will not be impressed or give any credit to freak results in isolation, like getting battered by teams but sneaking tight wins, or getting deep in cup competitions whilst struggling in the league.
That's what a 'manager' is now, let's see if our fans understand that!
His job is NOT to worry about transfers or contract negotiations. Too many football fans are fixated on judging a manager by the players that happen to be transferred to the club during their tenure. It's an increasingly small factor.
The sole criteria I will use to judge Amorim over the next 18-months is our performances. I don't care about winning trophies, I don't care about where we finish in the league, I don't care about results, even.
What I DO care about is seeing a clear and obvious development of a system, or systems, that works for the squad that we have and helps us control football matches, create chances to score and reduce opposition chances on our own goal. That's literally it.
If we play Southampton at home and we have 20 shots to their 1, and 70% possession to their 30%, and lose the game 0-1, you won't hear a squeak of complaint from me.
By the same token, I will not be impressed or give any credit to freak results in isolation, like getting battered by teams but sneaking tight wins, or getting deep in cup competitions whilst struggling in the league.
Hope he sticks with the same style and tactics that gets his sporting team to score tons of goals. Want to see entertaining football and lots of goals being scored.
My expectations are low. 11 and a half years of 'post-Fergie' United taught me enough.
It's good in theory as he seems to be exciting, young coach coming from Portugal. But so was Villas-Boas. Not writing these to spread negativity, just being cautious, it's United.
It's good in theory as he seems to be exciting, young coach coming from Portugal. But so was Villas-Boas. Not writing these to spread negativity, just being cautious, it's United.
If he will go 90 minutes of seeing Rashford lose the ball, not press and just keep his head down, and not even try to bollock him, he ain't it.
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Really good.
Just look at our back 3+2 in the first CL game this year: CB´s - Debast (20 y.o.), Diomande (21 y.o.) and Gonçalo Inácio (23y.o.); wing-backs - Catamo (23 y.o.) and Quenda (17 y.o.)
Inácio and Quenda from Sporting academy since they were around 11-12; Catamo, Diomande and Debast came when they were 19
It’s a new board, so your second point doesn’t hold any bearing quite yet. The speed of this process seems to suggest that they were more prepared than anyone gave them credit for and there is no way of knowing how professional they are compared to a Sporting board who hadn’t won for two decades before this coaches arrival.
I think the United fan criticism is particularly unfair because there simply isn’t a major club in world football as patient as United fans. Ten Hag was still getting clapped off after two years of woeful football.
People angry on a forum reflects passion and frustration, but it was obvious we were going nowhere under him for a very long time. All Amorim needs to do it have clear signs of a style of play and he will get even more patience and time than what was given to no hopers in Ole and Ten Hag.
There isn’t a top club as patient as United, and under a new footballing structure, there is every reason to be optimistic.
I think its a good thing him coming in now. The League is done and dusted as far as United are concerned. Give him the rest of the season to sort things out, decide who to keep, who to bin, put his systems in place. Hopefully we can still win a cup competition.
He gets a full pre-season with the squad, so hopefully we hit the ground running next season.
He gets a full pre-season with the squad, so hopefully we hit the ground running next season.
Welcome to Amorim, great times ahead!
Apparently the keeper, INEOS, has great chemistry. Badum-tsh.
I cant see it being much worse than its been recently. We have been a disjointed unstructured awful team to watch as of late. Last season our defence and midfield were a shambles, we seem to have somewhat sorted that out this season, but our attack now looks like they dont have a notion what theyre doing.
I can see the usual new manager bounce happening, and i fully expect he addresses the massive gaps on the pitch that we seen under EtH, plus the tendency to just collapse after half time / or conceding. Its just wether he can get a bit consistency throughout the team, that seems our biggest problem,
Theres always the danger certain players dont fancy him from the get go, I absolutely wouldnt it that past some of these lads from the leaks we've been hearing the last few seasons. Hopefully anyone not on board from day 1 gets put in the bin. But i said the same with EtH, and they outlasted him once again
Heres hoping this the winds of change though, and we start to vastly improve.
I can see the usual new manager bounce happening, and i fully expect he addresses the massive gaps on the pitch that we seen under EtH, plus the tendency to just collapse after half time / or conceding. Its just wether he can get a bit consistency throughout the team, that seems our biggest problem,
Theres always the danger certain players dont fancy him from the get go, I absolutely wouldnt it that past some of these lads from the leaks we've been hearing the last few seasons. Hopefully anyone not on board from day 1 gets put in the bin. But i said the same with EtH, and they outlasted him once again
Heres hoping this the winds of change though, and we start to vastly improve.
We're 7 points behind 4th place. Absolutely nothing is done and dusted
Excellent appointment
Exactly
We're 7 points behind 3rd place
I was talking specifically regarding the Ten Hag issue. It wasn't the new board that end up renewing with Ten Hag after flirting with other managers and because of a cup win? But I get your point and I'm reasonable, so your new board deserves time but I wasn't encouraged with how they dealt with Ten Hag.
You're wrong about your Sporting board point. It wasn't obviously the Sporting board that signed Amorim that had the responsibility for 20 years without a title. Sporting isn't owned by Americans or by any Businessman. Sporting has paying supporters that vote from 4 to 4 years for a President. I'm one of them. Our President and it's board has been one of the most successful boards in club history. In financial terms, football terms and other sports wins. We are much more than just a football club. We have handball, volleyball, athletics, basketball, hockey, swimming and many other sports.
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Yeah got sacked last week
If he can stop the various lapses in concentration that gifts many soft goals to the opposition and United players become clinical with chance created it will be a happy marriage but as they say easier said than done.
100%
You can also bin off XG and other wanky stats that mean feck all, it will be clear to all watching if we are moving in the right direction
Winning it was always out of the question but even in the depths that we are at there is still a slight chance of us sneaking into the top 4, if we pick up form early enough. There are still too many games to play and despite what people are saying we have a good squad.
What will be interesting is how he handles underperformers and slackers. This season could be his free hit and it could also give him a head start in the build if he can identify the players he wants to work with, isolate the toxic ones and notify the structure above the positions that need urgent filling.
We will need him to remember that some of these players exhausted their second chances multiple times over and really be ruthless because of he tolerates poor application, laziness and unprofessionalism these players will drag him through the mud.
A very exciting appointment. Enthused to see what he can bring. He’s starting from a low bar after what ETH has left behind. What I like about him from what I’ve seen and read is not only his tactical prowess but his personality comes across as very refreshing and may hopefully lift the doom and gloom over the club. Plus I assume he won’t be besotted with failed Dutch league players. Fascinating times ahead!
Anyone know what’s happening to Ruud ?
My expectations are really low too. Amorim has had 2-3 good years in Sporting in a smaller league - and that is it. I am not sure a manager with this background is the right answer for us.
What background would you suggest? Because we've tried them all.
That's harsh. He rather looks like a strangely sexy boiled egg where a bit of the top has come off with the shell.
The maths is deceptive here, 7 points is more than it feels like intuitively. If Villa and/or Chelsea reach 70 points or more (they're on course for more than that at the mo) then there's pretty much zero chance we catch them up. We'd need 2.03 points per game. That's more than Mourinho or Ole managed in our best seasons since Fergie left.
If one or both of them drop off, and no-one ahead of us improves, then we're in with a shout. But we could play bloody well under Amorim and still finish way behind.
This means nothing.
We had managers with extensive backgrounds and managers with barely any background at all and in the end, it was all the same.
Mourinho had barely a background when he won the UEFA and Champions League at Porto, Xabi Alonso had barely any background when he dominated the Bundesliga last season and I'm pretty sure I could find a sht ton of successful managers who achieved great things with barely any background when they achieved it.
Cocks out.
Ticks all the boxes but so did Ten Hag, I'm quietly excited, but not getting carried away.
Hope he's the one.
Ticks all the boxes but so did Ten Hag, I'm quietly excited, but not getting carried away.
Hope he's the one.
I agree that Ten Hag issue wasn’t handled well on the surface, but the fact that they obviously had a plan of action ready for him not taking his last chance, gives me much more confidence than I had after the West Ham game. It adds a different perspective and suggests that there may be genuine competence there.
I take your point about Sporting, but it has nowhere near the same pressures as a club like United, who have been far more patient with managers than any other major club in the game. It’s easier to have a competent board when there is no external investor, no real pressure to win titles, and when football isn’t the only focus.
I just don’t think it’s fair to claim United fans are “bipolar”. Compared to any other top club, they are saints.
Has a manager ever been announced as the coach of another team whilst still having to manage someone else for a short time before? At least in the Premier League anyway, no doubt the Germans do it all the time?
Edit: Just remembered Ten Hag was I think
Edit: Just remembered Ten Hag was I think
Yeah, ETH seemed to unaware too
excited with this. really hope he can take us back to the top. Give him time, he has a good background of using youth and we have some good youngsters coming through