Roy Keane

Andycoleno9 said:
Keane is 52. Time caught him. But Micah though.... guy looks like a beast. I don't know why he quit playing that early.
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Didn't Micah get some sort of injury that kept re-occurring, think I read somewhere if he kept on playing he could face some permanent disability down the line.

He's certainly fearsome, the guy moved backed very quickly when he saw Micah, coming after him... think I would have done the same!! :eek:
 
I think Roy is being unduly harsh on Utd & Ruud today. Neville gets a lot of stick for being anti-Utd in his commentary but Keane can be as bad sometimes. I didn’t see a lack of effort from the players today, only a lack of quality and the usual poor finishing.
 
DON’T PANIC ™ said:
I think Roy is being unduly harsh on Utd & Ruud today. Neville gets a lot of stick for being anti-Utd in his commentary but Keane can be as bad sometimes. I didn’t see a lack of effort from the players today, only a lack of quality and the usual poor finishing.
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Yeah, given the two sides and the start to the season, to go toe to toe with a decent Chelsea team is quite good. Been outplayed by Spurs and Liverpool at Old Trafford this season already, so in that context it's not bad.
 
DON’T PANIC ™ said:
I think Roy is being unduly harsh on Utd & Ruud today. Neville gets a lot of stick for being anti-Utd in his commentary but Keane can be as bad sometimes. I didn’t see a lack of effort from the players today, only a lack of quality and the usual poor finishing.
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Disagree, think Keane was spot on personally.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
Yeah, given the two sides and the start to the season, to go toe to toe with a decent Chelsea team is quite good. Been outplayed by Spurs and Liverpool at Old Trafford this season already, so in that context it's not bad.
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Exactly. Utd weren’t great but in the context of the season so far it was a significant improvement which was completely overlooked by the pundits.
 
DON’T PANIC ™ said:
I think Roy is being unduly harsh on Utd & Ruud today. Neville gets a lot of stick for being anti-Utd in his commentary but Keane can be as bad sometimes. I didn’t see a lack of effort from the players today, only a lack of quality and the usual poor finishing.
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Keane wouldn't have much else to his punditry if he wasn't allowed to criticise an apparent lack of effort from footballers.
 
I don’t remember him criticising the effort from the players. Merely that huge swathes of them weren’t good enough :lol:
 
Keane said we were let off the hook by Chelsea. That is false. We missed our chances and could say the same about Chelsea
 
2 man midfield said:
That’s good

Today? Or over Ten Hag’s tenure?
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When has keano ever criticised the manager? It's always about blaming the players for everything. Yes, sone players aren't good enough. But ETH and all the other post-Fergie managers set them up to fail or bought them anyway.
 
The Mitcher said:
When has keano ever criticised the manager? It's always about blaming the players for everything. Yes, sone players aren't good enough. But ETH and all the other post-Fergie managers set them up to fail or bought them anyway.
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Saipan
 
The Mitcher said:
When has keano ever criticised the manager? It's always about blaming the players for everything. Yes, sone players aren't good enough. But ETH and all the other post-Fergie managers set them up to fail or bought them anyway.
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Did he not have a go at Ruud earlier praising the players
 
The Mitcher said:
When has keano ever criticised the manager? It's always about blaming the players for everything. Yes, sone players aren't good enough. But ETH and all the other post-Fergie managers set them up to fail or bought them anyway.
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I don't agree. Every manager we had have been thrown under the buss by players. They are so fragile that first second they get under pressure they crumble and stop doing their job. It falls apart. Nothing else. They need to show some passion, some character, something. When things get tough just go out there and battle. Tackle someone. Yell at someone. You see some players just walking around like it is morning walk in the forrest thinking sorry for themself. Not good enough.
 
Personally think he's fairly accurate in his assessment.

You can excuse mistakes, you can't excuse braindead play and lack of effort. These players would be more effective if they could just Keep it simple and work hard, too many of them do neither.
 
90 + 5min said:
I don't agree. Every manager we had have been thrown under the buss by players. They are so fragile that first second they get under pressure they crumble and stop doing their job. It falls apart. Nothing else. They need to show some passion, some character, something. When things get tough just go out there and battle. Tackle someone. Yell at someone. You see some players just walking around like it is morning walk in the forrest thinking sorry for themself. Not good enough.
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How was Moyes thrown under the bus by a totally different team? LVG never lost the dressing room and was sacked by the board, he also had a different team. Mourinho lost it because he's toxic, he deserved to be sacked and had a different team. Ole didn't either, oh and had a different team. Rangnick attacked the players publicly to save his own skin and still survived his interim. ETH also never lost the players no matter how many times he set them up to fail.

This narrative needs to die. The players are are currently coming off a 19 month spell of bad form, and this will take time to sort out the mess that ETH created. They showed graft and tried tonight, you should be backing them. Instead you fall for the cult of the manager and shit on them.
 
DON’T PANIC ™ said:
I think Roy is being unduly harsh on Utd & Ruud today. Neville gets a lot of stick for being anti-Utd in his commentary but Keane can be as bad sometimes. I didn’t see a lack of effort from the players today, only a lack of quality and the usual poor finishing.
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It's the Keano MO.

His days all players had maximum pashun, all winners, all good lads, sorted it on the pitch themselves etc.
This lot have none of it, etc, he'd beat them up if he played with them etc etc

He's lucky he has that charisma and charm or he'd be down the Sourness route.
 
I don't imagine Keano calling the team average will do anything to boost morale.

A draw against a good Chelsea side is a decent result but it's the usual negative stuff from pundits after. Think they need to lighten up. I say this as the biggest Keano supporter too.
Red00012 said:
Ruud is interim manager at the moment
Amorim will be the head coach commencing November 11th
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This made me laugh dunno why :lol:
 
Sandikan said:
It's the Keano MO.

His days all players had maximum pashun, all winners, all good lads, sorted it on the pitch themselves etc.
This lot have none of it, etc, he'd beat them up if he played with them etc etc

He's lucky he has that charisma and charm or he'd be down the Sourness route.
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It's quite funny that a lot of users lap this up when keano says it but not other pundits. These same users also try to appear like they are progressive when it cones to football. Souness is way smarter than keano, I dislike his bias, but he understands the game.
 
The Mitcher said:
When has keano ever criticised the manager? It's always about blaming the players for everything. Yes, sone players aren't good enough. But ETH and all the other post-Fergie managers set them up to fail or bought them anyway.
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He can't, he's like Neville and a few other pundits. Failed managers afraid of being branded hypocrites.
 
DON’T PANIC ™ said:
I think Roy is being unduly harsh on Utd & Ruud today. Neville gets a lot of stick for being anti-Utd in his commentary but Keane can be as bad sometimes. I didn’t see a lack of effort from the players today, only a lack of quality and the usual poor finishing.
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I think he’s right, some of forward players off the ball running isn’t good in particular but it’s also such an easy criticism when it’s been a poor game. The squad has had attitude issues for a long time, so any combination of running, grit, aggressiveness etc. Is in part true.
 
DON’T PANIC ™ said:
I think Roy is being unduly harsh on Utd & Ruud today. Neville gets a lot of stick for being anti-Utd in his commentary but Keane can be as bad sometimes. I didn’t see a lack of effort from the players today, only a lack of quality and the usual poor finishing.
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It was pretty tiresome to listen to. There are elements of truth to some of what he is saying but all of it felt like thinly veiled comments about letting the previous manager down. The way some of these pundits carry on, you'd think the manager is some kind of mascot. The criticism is only ever directed towards the players.
 
Berbaclass said:
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We all know there was not one player on the pitch that was as good as Keano or Lampard in their day but to say they did not try is harsh.
We just need better quality and better finishing and the pundits will change their tune.
 
I don't know why people get so hung up on his words to be honest. It's very obvious he, like most pundits, don't really watch football outside of work or read into it. When you don't know what you're talking about you revert back to clichés. You can see with Lampard talking about 'these players over the last two years' when the reality is most of the players from 2 years ago aren't here any more.

There actually are players in the squad now who have this 'United DNA' he's referring to. De Ligt, Onana, Martinez, Dalot, Mazraoui, Casemiro, Bruno, Eriksen. All of them, bar Dalot and Bruno have won league titles. Each of them would have fit right into our squad under Fergie (mentality wise, not ability).
 
Love Keano but there was no lack of fight from the players today and generally I haven't seen a lack of it all season, other than maybe that Europa League game against Twente.

It's a lack of quality, particularly in the midfield and forward positions and terrible decisions on the pitch.
 
Players are ripped to bits on this forum on a daily basis, but when Keane or Neville have a go at them people on here go running to the players defence. Weird
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Players are ripped to bits on this forum on a daily basis, but when Keane or Neville have a go at them people on here go running to the players defence. Weird
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Nonsense. The people defending the players are the ones who generally criticise both player and manager.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Players are ripped to bits on this forum on a daily basis, but when Keane or Neville have a go at them people on here go running to the players defence. Weird
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That doesn’t happen at all to be honest . Neville is getting called out for his anti United calls today . Asking for a Chelsea penalty while ignoring the tackle on Rashford . Also blames Onana for running into Chelsea players and even on replay when the Chelsea player clearly barges into him sticks to it.
Says Martinez should have got a red. It’s not a red it’s a yellow . Both the ref and VAR agree.
He did say our pressing is woeful which I agree with . Keane called out players but didn’t name them but said they lack effort and wouldn’t want them in the trenches with him.
Looks at Garnacho / Bruno / Rashford and Hojlund’s performance thread and see are posters defending them .
 
3KDré said:
I don't know why people get so hung up on his words to be honest. It's very obvious he, like most pundits, don't really watch football outside of work or read into it. When you don't know what you're talking about you revert back to clichés. You can see with Lampard talking about 'these players over the last two years' when the reality is most of the players from 2 years ago aren't here any more.

There actually are players in the squad now who have this 'United DNA' he's referring to. De Ligt, Onana, Martinez, Dalot, Mazraoui, Casemiro, Bruno, Eriksen. All of them, bar Dalot and Bruno have won league titles. Each of them would have fit right into our squad under Fergie (mentality wise, not ability).
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This. I first begun to notice it with a few of the TNT pundits, especially Steve Mcmanaman, who would reference games from months ago during commentary because that was the most recent occasion they had watched the team and they knew very little else about the players.

I don't put much stock in what the majority of pundits come out with. I'm surprised that so many people still stay tuned in to watch the post match analysis.
 
Maybe I am biased because I am Irish and love Keano, but I honestly think Roy Keanes analysis today and in general, is spot on.

Those United players don't work hard enough, they just dont, I think anyone can argue with that, there is not enough character in the squad. KEANO always goes on about good characters, and yee can't win anything without a collection of good characters. These United players have been throwing managers under the bus for years now. It feels like the club is too big for most of them, to be brutally honest. Not enough of them care deeply enough. Too interested in Social Media. I get its the era of social media, but why post on it when u are playing for one of the worlds biggest club, and u are languishing in mid table mediocrity.

Keanos stance of the players at the club and the culture at the club is spot on, for me.
 
Zero wrong with what he said…zero. And unless this club is honest with itself and starts demanding the highest standards from its players, we will be here in two years saying the same thing.
 
Bondi77 said:
We all know there was not one player on the pitch that was as good as Keano or Lampard in their day but to say they did not try is harsh.
We just need better quality and better finishing and the pundits will change their tune.
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There is no way these all these players give everything, especially when we don’t have the ball. Just look at how many times we are outworked by weaker teams. Compare how slow we are to press with other teams. Look at how many late goals we concede.
There’s a deep culture problem with players at this club. These players don’t hold each other accountable.
 
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