Most of the Muslim world hails from countries with little to no education and with backward cultures. If you think there aren't incredible levels of misogyny there then I'm afraid you don't know much about these cultures. That's not to say individual Muslims can't be forward thinking and progressive, but to say that collectively they're way behind Europeans on such matters.
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Deal with the problem with an open mind. If you assume it's a case of brown skinned people going around asking "where's the white women at?" nothing is going to get solved.
Deal with the gangs themselves rather than assuming a white man's burden.
Nothing to do with skin color, this stuff is also true of white people from countries where education is behind.
Who's the one coming at this with that kind of attitude?
I'll give you a clue, it's in that post.
Agreed. Race isn't the issue at all.
Immigtation and lack of education and integration certainly is though. At least a huge part of it.
You're excusing entire communities who are culturally backward, though.
I wasn't even arguing against your points in this thread. You're the one making an assumption that I was.
Look at your post to me about skin colour.
Putting smilies in this thread just makes you look childish btw.
I'm pretty sure these people know what they're doing is wrong and against the law. They're doing it because they can get away with it. If they're Muslims, sex outside of marriage is haram.
It actually made me laugh out loud. Sorry.
Well that says a lot about you then.
Why don't you go back to being the only person in the thread to talk skin colour?
You're actually stupid aren't you? People don't feck little girls if they think it's wrong. These men have grown up in a culture where women are meat and where European girls are souless whores who enjoy sexual aggression. They're misogynists, pure and simple, and the inherent misogyny of their religion means they can justify it. It's the same story with all under-educated people with stone age beliefs.
You have not at all my friend.
Just seems your posts are out of place a bit, you seem ready to make this an argument about skin colour and race. We'd be better served sticking to talking about what we know of this story and relating problems than "whites do it too" and all that. Fair?
Talking about Pakistanis is talking about race.
Yep. Skin colour is far from the issue.
Pakistan is one of the worst places in the world to be a woman. If it's racists to point out that there's incredible levels of misogyny there we might as well give up.
It's not remotely about skin colour. It is about culture. There are Pakistani communities where many men view young white troubled girls as fair targets for sexual abuse, due to their promiscuous lifestyles. This needs challenging both externally and from within the communities.
We also need better protection for vulnerable young girls from everyone. We also need to stop ignoring the problems of Labour heartland northern towns.
We also need better protection for vulnerable young girls from everyone. We also need to stop ignoring the problems of Labour heartland northern towns.
That's not a very nice thing to say.
I know plenty of people from a Pakistani background. They don't believe that at all. I think you're making a lot of dangerous assumptions.
Are you even capable of properly replying to what is written?
So basically you do want us to stop talking about it then, right? It's funny how many people are ready to condemn sick stuff like this regardless of race or religion, yet the worst thing is there are many almost ready to shift focus and even make excuses.
Why are you trying to shift focus here? If it's pakistanis involved, why can't we talk about that? If it involves white English people, black americans or even santa clause, do you think I'd play your game?
Your attitude to this is far more dangerous than his.
And so do I and most of them are alright. Doesn't stop what I'm saying from being true.
It is so imperative that we address this. We cannot allow the far right to be the only ones who talk about issues of community cohesion or we completely divide our society.
You live in a cave or something?
Here, get you started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime
A quote from my country: Immigrants are also overrepresented in sexual crime statistics. In a news report in 2010, a spokesperson for the Oslo Police Department stated that every case of assault rapes in Oslo in the years 2007, 2008 and 2009 was committed by a non-Western immigrant.
It's clearly a cultural/immigrant problem, and any other spin on it is dishonest (talking to the media here).
I could come up with a theory about how Italian culture is responsible for the Mafia, and nothing in the world would stop what I'm saying from being true.
In what way? All I'm saying is that it's not the culture, just certain sub-currents within it. Root out those perpetrators but don't tar the whole community with the same brush.
Knee-jerk ideological reflex does not constitute 'thought'.
Are you Saliph? I seem to remember that statistic was disproven in a previous thread.
This is exactly the problem. I've said on here and elsewhere that people really aren't getting why the likes of ukip got so many votes. It's not because people are thick and racist, it's because there are many things going on in communities that you just aren't allowed to even express an opinion on.
I wouldn't vote anyone like them as they aren't any kind of solution, but it seems the real issues and reasons are being lost and that just gives them more power.
We should be allowed to talk about these matters and voice concerns. It's the only way to educate and find a way forward.
Without respect, piss off.
EDIT - Alternatively you could tell us all what you know about the social problems of Rotherham but I suspect the former would achieve more.
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No, you are trying to switch focus. Look at the first paragraph you wrote there for christ sake.
No one is tarring entire communities, you have to be thick to do that, but this is a real problem and it's definitely more rife than people realise.
So yes your attitude is more dangerous because instead of educating people and tackling the problem, you want to deflect and that's serves absolutely no one.
People are already being educated. Tackling the problem means not disenfranchising communities even further. THAT is a much more dangerous point of view.
And who has that point of view?
The BNP who are currently licking their lips at the prospect of knocking on doorsteps and gleefully telling prospective voters how they've been talking about this issue for years.
Those saying it's an inherent problem within certain cultures. Adherents to those cultures will instinctively close ranks when these kinds of things are said.
If you say it's the scrotes within those communities who are giving them a bad name (which is what I'm saying), you'll get much more cooperation.
My position is anything but "dangerous". It's the only way forward.
What?
Exactly, and doing the same old thing of not letting people speak their minds and revealing their thoughts will only strengthen that position.
But there lies the problem, first you were deflecting which is the default stance. I agree with your position here, but tell me, why do you think even the police were afraid to deal with this?
And besides, if it is a problem within certain cultures, then why should that be hidden?
It only drives everyone further apart and gives the scum, who is present in all cultures and races, chance to do what they do.
It only drives everyone further apart and gives the scum, who is present in all cultures and races, chance to do what they do.
I'm Pakistani, born and raised in London. Spent my childhood in Pakistan. This comes as a shock here to quite literally everyone I know. The scale more than anything. I really don't think misogyny (the kind that lead men to commit something on this scale) is endemic within subcommunities here. There is social conservatism, and socially conservative views. And yes, a lot of dangerous assumptions being made. About Pakistan. Not sure how our rape statistics measure up to DR Congo, South Africa, India. Not saying there isn't a problem. But hyperbole is pretty dangerous too. That's not to say this kind of thing isn't worth delving into more. But I would imagine its more of a gang subculture issue (with men who happen to be from Pakistani sub-communities or gangs) as opposed to us having a cultural proclivity towards this. If someone commits a crime, they should be charged and arrested. End of. No-one from the "PC brigade" or "muslim community" will object I assure you. Arresting gang members and rapists does not affect community cohesion.
The people blaming Islam or Pakistani culture were the ones deflecting.