I'd happily have him here. I feel he has another hear to shift into.
Ross Barkley? Is he Happy?
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I'd be happy to see him come in as I value seeing british players playing for us. Much rather have him than someone like Bakayoko for sure. The fact that he's only a year left on his contract should make him available for a reasonable fee in the summer. The guy has better stats to game time than Pogba this season so he can't be that bad although he often plays in a slightly more attacking role than Pogba has at times. It all depends on how we mean to progress tactically though, him and Pogba would be a worse midfield pairing defensively than Pogba and Herrera.
He plays in Mkhi's position and he's not of the same level. Also we have Mata and Lingard that cover that position.
If he was a CM or at least had played enough games there and showed promise then I'd be with you. We have an opening there. As things stand I think Ox would fit the team better as a squad player than Barkley.
Spurs maybe?
Thing is, if he goes to another club in the summer and Everton replace him with Rooney.... Their (Everton's) fans are in for one hell of a surprise when Wayne shimmies onto the pitch in August after his customary summer of boozing and smoking.
I almost want it to happen just to see the look of horror on their faces as the realisation dawns on them
I almost want it to happen just to see the look of horror on their faces as the realisation dawns on them
As long as we don't buy Barkley it wouldn't bother me at all.Thing is, if he goes to another club in the summer and Everton replace him with Rooney.... Their (Everton's) fans are in for one hell of a surprise when Wayne shimmies onto the pitch in August after his customary summer of boozing and smoking.
I almost want it to happen just to see the look of horror on their faces as the realisation dawns on them
How is Ox any more of a cm than Barkley?
Definitely not happy and he'll leave this summer I reckon. Spurs would be perfect for him, they hoarde good midfielders but he'd need to knuckle down to break into the starting 11. I don't rate him as highly as some.
Really thought Barley was going to develop into a great player when watching him a couple of years ago. Was similar to Rooney in many ways. Not sure what has happened to him, maybe the injuries have taken there toll but I would still take a punt on him and have him here if we could get him for cheap.
Hear hear
Most people seem to have decided he's now shite for some reason. Still think he's a very good talent
Because Arsenal have played him there many times, in the past too but more so this season, and he has looked very good for them there. He's played with Ramsey and Xhaka in a mid-3
Just ask any gooner. They consider him one of their best performers this season, after Sanchez.
Just another "English" talent who wont elevate this team one bit, he's decent for a subtop club. He hasnt even proved enough with Everton. If we need a 10 or CM, there are plenty other options.
Far too flaky to be at a top club, he's also basically a second striker so I don't know where he'd fit into the team unless he was played out wide.
I disagree. I prefer Lukaku, but I wouldn't say either is way better than the other. I like that Lukaku has pace to back up the big frame, and he strikes me as more of a Mourinho centre forward than Kane does, even though Mourinho was the one who sold him, though I'd imagine it was more to do with him being down the pecking order behind more experienced players at that time than him not being good enough.
When Zlatan leaves, I see Lukaku slotting in to this team rather seamlessly. Kane is a great player, and he has certain attributes Lukaku doesn't, but I don't think he'd replace Zlatan quite as well.
He plays for England.He's not English?
And Barkley has played there many times before too, if not more and has also looked very good. He has played with Gana and Barry/McCarthy in a 3 too. He has played deeper in the past as well. Its hardly been many times for Ox in CM anyway. Everton fans will also say Barkley is better deeper too. @SilentWitness I think says it often.
Hes asking why have you put England in quotes.
Because it's usually the same riddle woth English players. A boy who was more than physically ready aged 18, fast, huge, strong, stamina, running power, average footballing brain and can hold his own at highest level, then English fans/media etc extrapolate that to a supertalent/wonderkids. Barkley is nothing special and has a lot to prove before we should even think about signing him. Let him develop into Everton's best player for a long period of time first please. Furthermore I think a team with Barkley as 10 will never be elite in Europe, too little football. Maybe he can develop into a class box-to box, which he isnt yet now.
For some reason can see him doing well at Palace
Watched a fair bit of Everton this season & he is having a good year. Always involved in everything good Everton do. More so than he used to be anyway when he'd drift in and out of games.
Doubt we'd get him but if he is looking for a move then the current top 6 would all be interested imo.
Doubt we'd get him but if he is looking for a move then the current top 6 would all be interested imo.
Rather the Ox
If he lets his hair grow to an afro, he is welcome. Can replace Fellaini
Because it's the same story with Welbeck, Shaw, Chamberlain, Stones, Jones for example. 18, strong, fast, can keep his own and therefore he has infinite potential by extrapoloting good at 18, so must be world class when peaked, without ever proving or showing too much.Thank you!
He's not better than what we have already
He's a natural footballer, he has that kid playing football in a playground aura about him. Problem is when you try to manage and mould that type into a team situation, you loose a bit of the raw natural talent that people liked in the first place.You'd almost just want to say to him go out and express yourself, but unfortunately the game requires more than that.
Not sure he's a big team type, certainly wouldn't see him fitting into a Jose team, doesn't have the tactical discipline required. He could learn it I guess but more and more big teams want the finished article for the here and now.He's 24 this yr, he's not exactly a kid anymore, plus you always pay a premium for english players in PL.
Not sure he's a big team type, certainly wouldn't see him fitting into a Jose team, doesn't have the tactical discipline required. He could learn it I guess but more and more big teams want the finished article for the here and now.He's 24 this yr, he's not exactly a kid anymore, plus you always pay a premium for english players in PL.
Roberto Martinez did not develop him at all. Physically he probably stagnated during Martinez spell.
In my opinion Koeman has done him alot of good, and I'm sure the right manager can continue to push him in the right direction.
In my opinion Koeman has done him alot of good, and I'm sure the right manager can continue to push him in the right direction.
Another no10...?
We've already got Mata, Mkhi and Pogba (who is a fecking 10 imo).
I like Barkley as a player, but he needs to go somewhere to play football and have a team built around him. I kinda think he should stay at Everton actually.
We've already got Mata, Mkhi and Pogba (who is a fecking 10 imo).
I like Barkley as a player, but he needs to go somewhere to play football and have a team built around him. I kinda think he should stay at Everton actually.
He is still a fantastic talent. I think no English player has created more chances than him this season. Koemans tough love has been really good for him and his work rate and aggression have improved so much these past few months. He does have a lot of pressure on him at Everton and doesn't help that he has the whole teams creative burden on his toes. I'd love to see him surrounded by some more great attacking players and see the performances he could put out, I think he'd make the step up as I believe he's to naturally talented not to.
Do you think if Utd signed him he'd force his way into the starting 11? And if so, at who's expense?
Genuine questions, I'm not being sarcastic/rhetorical.
No. He's too similar to Pogba down to the same strengths and weaknesses and he won't dislodge him.
Ah ok, and if he did go, how much do you reckon he'd go for in this crazy market day and age?
If both Barkley and OX are available in the summer, who would you rather see at United?
He's not a CDM like Carrick or Bakayoko .
It's like people have seen him play. That kind of comparison is like comparing a tractor to a Ferrari. Yes they are both vehicles but that's where it ends.
Thing is, if he goes to another club in the summer and Everton replace him with Rooney.... Their (Everton's) fans are in for one hell of a surprise when Wayne shimmies onto the pitch in August after his customary summer of boozing and smoking.
I almost want it to happen just to see the look of horror on their faces as the realisation dawns on them
Quite OTT. Why is Rooney's work rate being questioned often? I can understand effectiveness, but workrate?
Where did I mention work rate? I said he drinks and smokes during his holidays which is a fact.
The insinuation was that come august he will look even more sluggish than he currently looks as a result of him getting older and not looking at after himself, and that this will be in stark contrast to the livewire that is Barkley (effective or not).
Rooney may be trying his hardest. But he hasn't got the legs to play the #10 and he never looks like scoring even up front these days (2 in 19 games or sth).
Not sure what was OTT about that. I thought I was being pretty mild on Roo, didn't mention grannies or nothing
Where did I mention work rate? I said he drinks and smokes during his holidays which is a fact.
The insinuation was that come august he will look even more sluggish than he currently looks as a result of him getting older and not looking at after himself, and that this will be in stark contrast to the livewire that is Barkley (effective or not).
Rooney may be trying his hardest. But he hasn't got the legs to play the #10 and he never looks like scoring even up front these days (2 in 19 games or sth).
Not sure what was OTT about that. I thought I was being pretty mild on Roo, didn't mention grannies or nothing
Even more sluggish? What does that refer to, if not workrate? Drinking/smoking everthing directly relates to his physical fitness, so I assume that.
As for 'hasn't' got the legs, it was never a requirement for a #10. History has quite a few stellar #10's who are known for their 'laziness' or lack of workrate. Rui Costa, Riquelme, Rivera, Savicevic etc. Ofc, it's not a direct comparison as Rooney is nowhere near their talent level. But still proves the point equating legwork to ability to play #10 is not always correct.