Rooney vs. Van Gaal

Will Van Gaal's arrival:

  • Force Rooney to grow up and act as a connsumate professional?

    Votes: 118 38.6%

  • Hasten an exit from the club?

    Votes: 56 18.3%

  • Lead to an upset player who sits on his contract and becomes a disruptive force?

    Votes: 14 4.6%

  • Be an absolute managerial masterstroke that helps Rooney to realise his full potential?

    Votes: 118 38.6%
  • Total voters
    306
  • Poll closed .

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They're either going to get on like a house on fire, or, there's disaster around the corner for Wayne.

If Fergie didn't retire, Rooney would've been out the door last season. With Van Gaal coming in, who is a more uncompromising character than Fergie, Rooney's going to find out what it's like to be uncatered for or to as he'll have to prove every bit of his worth to the xi to even keep his place. For the first time in his life, he's not going to be seen as a special player with a divine right to start.

How do you see Rooney coping with this?
 
Wouldn't say Van Gaal is more uncompromising than Ferguson. They're pretty much on the same level. If Rooney shows the same desire and work rate he's always shown and also behaves normally off the pitch and in the dressing room, they are a match made in heaven.

He might even make Rooney captain.
 
Not sure why everyone is singling out the Rooney/LvG relationship as one that merits special attention.

Is there any reason to believe that Rooney is more likely to clash with Van Gaal than any of our other players? Or is it just wishful thinking on the part of those who clearly want to see Rooney 'taken down a peg or two', and think LvG is the man to do it?
 
Totally up to Rooney. If he's grown up about Van Gaal's decisions they'll be fine.

I suspect the opposite though given how he got on with Ferguson when he rightfully dropped.
 
Why exactly are people so sure that Rooney won't get along with LVG?

This has been the theme from day 1 and I'm not sure why.
 
We'll find out how much Wayne Rooney has "changed" now won't we like David Moyes kept saying..
 
Again, is there something I don't know of? Why do people assume LVG hates Rooney?
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Why exactly are people so sure that Rooney won't get along with LVG?

This has been the theme from day 1 and I'm not sure why.
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Mainly because lvg will not play him if he is woefully out if form and captain twattastics ego will not accept that
 
Surely the first and last options overlap? Anyway I think Rooney's attitude problems are massively overstated, especially this season when he carried the team for a good six months, which has somehow been completely forgotten on here. Either way, I see him doing well under LVG.
 
The media and the anti-Rooney brigade here seem desperate for there to be a rift between Rooney and van Gaal before anything has even happened. I am not 100% in favour of the appointment of van Gaal, but I believe him to be smarter than to show unwavering favouritism to van Persie. I believe he will surprise people and name either Rooney or Carrick captain. If van Persie is chosen, and subsequently shown favouritism, then a rift will certainly form, and this will only worsen our current predicament.
 
Henrik Larsson said:
Wouldn't say Van Gaal is more uncompromising than Ferguson. They're pretty much on the same level. If Rooney shows the same desire and work rate he's always shown and also behaves normally off the pitch and in the dressing room, they are a match made in heaven.

He might even make Rooney captain.
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Van Gaal isn't as good a manipulator as Fergie, which means when things break down with him, they stay that way and relationships quickly turn sour whereas Fergie could make a decision, extricate his feelings from his thoughts and still extract as much as he could from a player and then do away with them.

The end result may be the same, but the getting there would be very different, hence why I would say LVG is the much more uncompromising of the two.

If Rooney and LVG hit it off, I rally think this could be the making of Wayne.
 
Rooney is a highly competitive player who wants to win at all costs. Van Gaal would probably appreciate a player like that.
 
I mean, Rooney was one of a few player's to actually perform for Moyes. And that was before his new contract too. He fell out with Ferguson in private, I'm unsure why people continually become concerned with Rooney and his professionalism. If van Gaal has plans for Rooney, great, if not, he moves on.
 
It could go any one of several ways, but if I had to guess I think Rooney will step up. He'll have to if he wants to play. I think itll do him good. And Id back LVG to find a way to get the best out of all of our best players, of which Rooney is clearly one.
 
Fortitude said:
Van Gaal isn't as good a manipulator as Fergie, which means when things break down with him, they stay that way and relationships quickly turn sour whereas Fergie could make a decision, extricate his feelings from his thoughts and still extract as much as he could from a player and then do away with them.

The end result may be the same, but the getting there would be very different, hence why I would say LVG is the much more uncompromising of the two.

If Rooney and LVG hit it off, I rally think this could be the making of Wayne.
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Agreed, 100% spot on. Van Gaal can be very charismatic and manipulative if he wants to be (and has slept well) though, but like you said not as good as Ferguson. And some players, Rooney is this case perhaps too, like his very straightforward and honest to a point of bluntness like approach
 
What evidence do we have that there would be any issues between them?

Surely Rooney will recognise van Gaal's achievements in the game & respect him for that, in the same way that van Gaal will recognise Rooney's abilities and play to his strengths.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
I mean, Rooney was one of a few player's to actually perform for Moyes. And that was before his new contract too. He fell out with Ferguson in private, I'm unsure why people continually become concerned with Rooney and his professionalism. If van Gaal has plans for Rooney, great, if not, he moves on.
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That could be viewed as him playing for a new contract though. And his performances did drop after the renewal too.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
But he has not been woefully out of form for atleast a year now.
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Did you see the Bayern game away? Admittedly it was only one match and I give all the blame to moyes for not having the balls to drop him, but lvg will have no such issues and I don't see Rooney taking to it well, although if he does it would be great and a sign he has really grown upup
 
I'm not particularly worried about a Rooney/LVG personality clash, Rooney can work hard when properly motivated.

I do wonder how LVG will manage to a) fit Rooney, Mata and RvP into the same team, b) still have Rooney playing as either a striker or no.10 and c) get the most from those three players and the team.

RvP is a better striker than Rooney and Mata is a better no.10, so if anyone is going to be shunted out of position it should be Rooney. Yet we know Rooney dislikes playing outside his favourite position and is paid too much to be left on the bench.

This is definitely a potential problem imo.
 
LVG likes hard workers and passionate players, which is what Rooney gives you on the pitch. I can't see why the two wouldn't get on. Unless people are putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 6.
 
Incidentally, am I right in thinking that with the departure of Rio and Giggsy, Wayne is now our longest serving player?
 
sullydnl said:
I'm not particularly worried about a Rooney/LVG personality clash, Rooney can work hard when properly motivated.

I do wonder how LVG will manage to a) fit Rooney, Mata and RvP into the same team, b) still have Rooney playing as either a striker or no.10 and c) get the most from those three players and the team.

RvP is a better striker than Rooney and Mata is a better no.10, so if anyone is going to be shunted out of position it should be Rooney. Yet we know Rooney dislikes playing outside his favourite position and is paid too much to be left on the bench.

This is definitely a potential problem imo.
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I was just typing up the same thing more or less to those asking why a potential issue between player and manager is being talked about.

Rooney is the very first in line to be uprooted under LvG - he won't be his starting striker in a 4-3-3, and I doubt he'd be picked over Mata to be the AM, so he's likely to be shunted wide, which will cause friction straight away if their personalities are already clashing.
 
sullydnl said:
I'm not particularly worried about a Rooney/LVG personality clash, Rooney can work hard when properly motivated.

I do wonder how LVG will manage to a) fit Rooney, Mata and RvP into the same team, b) still have Rooney playing as either a striker or no.10 and c) get the most from those three players and the team.

RvP is a better striker than Rooney and Mata is a better no.10, so if anyone is going to be shunted out of position it should be Rooney. Yet we know Rooney dislikes playing outside his favourite position and is paid too much to be left on the bench.

This is definitely a potential problem imo.
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Pretty much this. He has signed a new contract last season and wont be looking to move away soon. I am worried how he is going to fit in or how he would react if he is sidelined with RVP up front. In anycase, he has to work hard and prove himself consistently.
 
Jando said:
Can we not just stop the Rooney witch hunt ?
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There are positive options to vote for in the poll. This is hardly a witch hunt.

If the two gel and LvG can convey his ideas to Wayne in a way he understands, something special may happen.
 
I a sure that Wayne will thrive under LvG. The team will play attacking football, and Wayne will absolutely love it. Every player will have to work his socks and brain cells off, but they will enjoy it. Happy happy times ahead.
 
NessunDorma said:
Not sure why everyone is singling out the Rooney/LvG relationship as one that merits special attention.

Is there any reason to believe that Rooney is more likely to clash with Van Gaal than any of our other players? Or is it just wishful thinking on the part of those who clearly want to see Rooney 'taken down a peg or two', and think LvG is the man to do it?
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I think there was some paper speculation a few weeks ago and that has just lit everyone's imagination
 
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Jacob said:
Again, is there something I don't know of? Why do people assume LVG hates Rooney?
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It's the other way. People assume Rooney could be disruptive under Van Gaal's tenure. Had Moyes stayed, he would've become United captain. But LvG is most likely to appoint Rvp for the role, and it wont sit well with Rooney.
 
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