Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez

Money invested in the berbatov signing should have been invested in Tevez’s contract.

he would have got more game time the season we signed berba and wouldn’t have started talking about minutes played.

we effectively replaced tevez with berba (albeit they shared one season together) and in doing so it was an expensive downgrade.

I never understood it. And still don’t
 
Money invested in the berbatov signing should have been invested in Tevez’s contract.

he would have got more game time the season we signed berba and wouldn’t have started talking about minutes played.

we effectively replaced tevez with berba (albeit they shared one season together) and in doing so it was an expensive downgrade.

I never understood it. And still don’t
All that needs to be understood is Glazer’s didn’t wanna pay his 40m fee. He wanted to stay with or without Berba in the squad.

Fergie booted him out due to cash constraints from what I could gather. That was the “no value in the market era”.

Remember when we passed on Hazard for £35m due to no value.
 
Money invested in the berbatov signing should have been invested in Tevez’s contract.

he would have got more game time the season we signed berba and wouldn’t have started talking about minutes played.

we effectively replaced tevez with berba (albeit they shared one season together) and in doing so it was an expensive downgrade.

I never understood it. And still don’t
Berbatov was added to beef up our forward options and give us something different. I don't think when we bought Berba that we were thinking that he was the Tevez replacement they were totally different players. I would actually Benzema was supposed to be the Tevez replacement but Madrid beat us to him.
 
These 3 vs Newcastle:


I just watched a video this evening about the 2007/2008 season. What a team, what a squad. Almost makes you want to cry compared to what we have these days. Apart from those 3, we had Nani, Park, Scholes, Hargreaves, Carrick, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Pique...ridiculous squad.
 
I thought someone had merged the two matches that season vs Newcastle into one highlight reel but that was all one match.

Feels like more chances in that match than the current team has had all season.
 
The sheer ferocity with which that United side played. Sheesh.
IMO It was the peak of Sir Alex's united for entertainment value. I can't help wonder how many goals a prime Rooney would score in a system like Amorim's, where Gyorkeres has shined.
 
No matter what people say - letting Tevez go basically fast tracked our demise. Yes he didn’t have stellar stats etc. but he was an integral part of the team and basically helped others play well. With Ronaldo going, we needed Tevez even more.

That season we bought Obertan, Valencia and Owen if i remember correctly. The money we spent on Berbatov should have been spent on Tevez’s contract. The whole “no value in the market” era started when we refused to sign Tevez at the start of the season.

That was one of Fergies worst errors imo. At that time, I guess only Pogue preferred Berbatov over Tevez and even he at the end created a thread “Sign him up” referring to Tevez. What a workhorse he was. A cnut of a human being but an amazing selfless player.
 
No matter what people say - letting Tevez go basically fast tracked our demise. Yes he didn’t have stellar stats etc. but he was an integral part of the team and basically helped others play well. With Ronaldo going, we needed Tevez even more.

That season we bought Obertan, Valencia and Owen if i remember correctly. The money we spent on Berbatov should have been spent on Tevez’s contract. The whole “no value in the market” era started when we refused to sign Tevez at the start of the season.

That was one of Fergies worst errors imo. At that time, I guess only Pogue preferred Berbatov over Tevez and even he at the end created a thread “Sign him up” referring to Tevez. What a workhorse he was. A cnut of a human being but an amazing selfless player.
Fergie would have happily signed tevez if the Glazers were willing to pay what it would have taken to get him
Fergie saying things like "no value in the market" was him protecting the Glazers

You think Fergie really would have cared if he had to pay an extra 7 million to get a talent like Hazard?
 
Fergie would have happily signed tevez if the Glazers were willing to pay what it would have taken to get him
Fergie saying things like "no value in the market" was him protecting the Glazers

You think Fergie really would have cared if he had to pay an extra 7 million to get a talent like Hazard?

I don't think it was just the Glazers being tight, rather Ferguson having a dim view of third party ownership and wanting no part in promoting it.

Also, quality player as he was, Tevez allegedly had an absolutely awful attitude off the pitch.

Burned his bridges waving the Fergie RIP banner about and then did all he could to get out of city when he realised Fergie wasn't arsed.
 
No matter what people say - letting Tevez go basically fast tracked our demise. Yes he didn’t have stellar stats etc. but he was an integral part of the team and basically helped others play well. With Ronaldo going, we needed Tevez even more.

That season we bought Obertan, Valencia and Owen if i remember correctly. The money we spent on Berbatov should have been spent on Tevez’s contract. The whole “no value in the market” era started when we refused to sign Tevez at the start of the season.

That was one of Fergies worst errors imo. At that time, I guess only Pogue preferred Berbatov over Tevez and even he at the end created a thread “Sign him up” referring to Tevez. What a workhorse he was. A cnut of a human being but an amazing selfless player.
Agreed with all of these except for the part saying that it was Fergie's worst error. He was hamstrung by the Glazers at the time. The "no value in the market" didn't originate from him, it came from the very top.
 
No matter what people say - letting Tevez go basically fast tracked our demise. Yes he didn’t have stellar stats etc. but he was an integral part of the team and basically helped others play well. With Ronaldo going, we needed Tevez even more.

That season we bought Obertan, Valencia and Owen if i remember correctly. The money we spent on Berbatov should have been spent on Tevez’s contract. The whole “no value in the market” era started when we refused to sign Tevez at the start of the season.

That was one of Fergies worst errors imo. At that time, I guess only Pogue preferred Berbatov over Tevez and even he at the end created a thread “Sign him up” referring to Tevez. What a workhorse he was. A cnut of a human being but an amazing selfless player.

Ultimately, Tevez and his agent declined the originally agreed terms and pushed for a move to City instead for huge sums. A line has to be drawn somewhere. The bigger problem was bringing in cheap players to replace Ronaldo and, to a much lesser extent, Tevez. The Tevez-Rooney combo was great on occasion but in many games they were too similiar and there wasn't much aerial threat or pace. This was mitigated when Ronaldo had a free role and was constantly getting in the box and running in behind, whilst the two workhorses covered for him. When Ronaldo left, we really needed to sign a proper #9 and a winger, allowing Rooney to be the #10.

There were many options, and better options than Tevez. The big problem was that we just didn't spend at all, and then slowly played catch up over the next few years. Benzema moved to Real that summer and would have been the better signing. Robben moved that summer. Ribery was at Bayern but was a potential transfer. David Villa and Aguero would probably have been available. Possibly Eto'o. Lewandowki moved to Dortmund the year after and United had scouted him before when he was at Lech Poznan.

Valencia in 2009, Hernandez in 2010 and RVP in 2012 signings worked out on the whole, but it was too little. We were in peak "no value in the market mode" and declined players like Hazard a bit later as well. We were on top in 2008-2009 and could have spent to maintain that dominance, even with the Ronaldo sale. The loss of Tevez needn't have been a hindrance at all. And despite a couple good years at City, he ultimately proved to be a cnut anyway.

I don't blame SAF at all. Previously, he always said spend when you're winning to keep winning. Like when we signed Veron and Ruud. His hands were tied by the new ownership and he did remarkably well to still win two more titles with what he had.
 
No matter what people say - letting Tevez go basically fast tracked our demise. Yes he didn’t have stellar stats etc. but he was an integral part of the team and basically helped others play well. With Ronaldo going, we needed Tevez even more.

That season we bought Obertan, Valencia and Owen if i remember correctly. The money we spent on Berbatov should have been spent on Tevez’s contract. The whole “no value in the market” era started when we refused to sign Tevez at the start of the season.

That was one of Fergies worst errors imo. At that time, I guess only Pogue preferred Berbatov over Tevez and even he at the end created a thread “Sign him up” referring to Tevez. What a workhorse he was. A cnut of a human being but an amazing selfless player.

We ''didn't let him go''.

Fergie would have happily signed tevez if the Glazers were willing to pay what it would have taken to get him
Fergie saying things like "no value in the market" was him protecting the Glazers

You think Fergie really would have cared if he had to pay an extra 7 million to get a talent like Hazard?

Where are you getting this information from? It was well documented back then and confirmed by Ferguson and Gill that United met the £25m fee and the £120k pw wages that were agreed in his loan deal. Tevez and his owner never responded and then accepted a move to City instead who offered Tevez £280k pw and paid his owner £47m.

Fergis pulled the plug on the Hazard deal. He was looking £180k pw on top of his agent getting a £7m fee.
 
Fergie would have happily signed tevez if the Glazers were willing to pay what it would have taken to get him
Fergie saying things like "no value in the market" was him protecting the Glazers

You think Fergie really would have cared if he had to pay an extra 7 million to get a talent like Hazard?

Seems odd now that Tevez was just on loan at Utd.
 
What a team this was. I remember expecting to win every game by multiple goals, expecting to win the league every year and go deep in all of the cups.

Good memories.
 
People still to this day doesn't get that Tevez accepted to play second fiddle, or better said to play his "cyclical" full warrior version in order to gain a place in Man Utd.That full warrior version it's kind of cool, builds a great connection with the crowd in the pitch, but that isn't his best version (sadly he comitted this mistake time and again with the NT).

He did that in order to in his way present his respects (maybe the only time in his whole carreer, because he really wanted bad to be a Man Utd player) understanding his initial "loan" player role and respecting the already established big players in the team.
Once he delivered (more as pitbull than the real full blown Tevez), he wanted first team treatment, as simple as that.

Anyone that thinks (even hating the dude, understandable BTW), that he wasn't a full blown special world class player, it's absolutely wrong, he is the definition of anywhere, anyhow against anything.
The more well rounded, more spectacular (and even leader) City's Tevez didn't appeared all of a sudden, that IS HIM, like he was prior to Man Utd in Boca and Corinthinas and mostly later in his more mature (on every sense, even fitness) Juve days.

That's why he got so angry and stubborned when they didn't want to buy him fast and to add salt to the injury spend on Berba (that also could have been bought and play perfectly with Wayne and him). There is when that initial loaned "humble", easy going Carlos, went full (and more real) "show me the money" Carlos. Then played his cards a la Tevez, his management (Kia and cia) at the same time was quite obscure and very money oriented, maybe even more than him (that's saying sthg.).
All of this combined with him being a fella that for the good and bad never care about what anyone thinks (who else would have stayed that calm after that move Mancini pulled on him abd went playing golf and without even tryng to clean his image), ended really bad (sadly).

In this whole Man Utd afair, he certainly felt he wasn't respected in a way he thinks he deserved.
On a strict football sense, Man Utd in many ways lost the plot there, Tevez with his usal antics and ego didn't help, but Fergie's ego was always really huge too and things collapsed. A pity because that day a big part of that combination of a team with skill and more than tenacity, plain ferocity as identity, went away to never return no matter how well other forwards and players did later and the Club still feels that change.

Keeping CR was more than probably impossible, but keeping that pair of Rooney and Carlos could have been done, at least as a BET.
If Fergie or the Managers didn't feel that they could have a Boca, Corinthians, City or Juve version with them (or even acknowledge that existed that version), yet at least a bet on him when the players themselves like Rooney questioned the idea behind letting go CR and Tevez go.
 
Surely in the 5 top front 3's of the last two decades/all time(i dont remember 433 much before)?

Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale
Neymar, Suarez, Messi
Ribery, Lewandowski, Robben
Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney
Mane, Firminho, Salah
 
People still to this day doesn't get that Tevez accepted to play second fiddle, or better said to play his "cyclical" full warrior version in order to gain a place in Man Utd.That full warrior version it's kind of cool, builds a great connection with the crowd in the pitch, but that isn't his best version (sadly he comitted this mistake time and again with the NT).

He did that in order to in his way present his respects (maybe the only time in his whole carreer, because he really wanted bad to be a Man Utd player) understanding his initial "loan" player role and respecting the already established big players in the team.
Once he delivered (more as pitbull than the real full blown Tevez), he wanted first team treatment, as simple as that.

Anyone that thinks (even hating the dude, understandable BTW), that he wasn't a full blown special world class player, it's absolutely wrong, he is the definition of anywhere, anyhow against anything.
The more well rounded, more spectacular (and even leader) City's Tevez didn't appeared all of a sudden, that IS HIM, like he was prior to Man Utd in Boca and Corinthinas and mostly later in his more mature (on every sense, even fitness) Juve days.

That's why he got so angry and stubborned when they didn't want to buy him fast and to add salt to the injury spend on Berba (that also could have been bought and play perfectly with Wayne and him). There is when that initial loaned "humble", easy going Carlos, went full (and more real) "show me the money" Carlos. Then played his cards a la Tevez, his management (Kia and cia) at the same time was quite obscure and very money oriented, maybe even more than him (that's saying sthg.).
All of this combined with him being a fella that for the good and bad never care about what anyone thinks (who else would have stayed that calm after that move Mancini pulled on him abd went playing golf and without even tryng to clean his image), ended really bad (sadly).

In this whole Man Utd afair, he certainly felt he wasn't respected in a way he thinks he deserved.
On a strict football sense, Man Utd in many ways lost the plot there, Tevez with his usal antics and ego didn't help, but Fergie's ego was always really huge too and things collapsed. A pity because that day a big part of that combination of a team with skill and more than tenacity, plain ferocity as identity, went away to never return no matter how well other forwards and players did later and the Club still feels that change.

Keeping CR was more than probably impossible, but keeping that pair of Rooney and Carlos could have been done, at least as a BET.
If Fergie or the Managers didn't feel that they could have a Boca, Corinthians, City or Juve version with them (or even acknowledge that existed that version), yet at least a bet on him when the players themselves like Rooney questioned the idea behind letting go CR and Tevez go.

United didnt let Tevez go. He chose double his money at City. Which is fair enough but he wasn't Uniteds best player. And he was fairly average in his second season scoring 5 league goals. United wanted to keep him but he made his decision. And in hindsight he was very unprofessional at City and a problem for them. So we were better off without him.
 
Good write up on tevez. Still wish we had signed him. Loved him for us. I think Rooney gets nowhere near enough credit for the 07 08 season either. He was absolutely amazing and not that far off being as important as Ronaldo.

Was about to reply to this saying I completely agree when I realised that it was me who posted it.

Very Obama putting a medal on Obama.
 
love Berbatov but not re-signing Tevez was a mistake

He was very poor for us in his final season and it was him and his agent fecking us over, it was hardly United's fault that he didn't continue for us. On top of that he decided to moan and pull blatant lies during the on-pitch title celebrations.
 
People still to this day doesn't get that Tevez accepted to play second fiddle, or better said to play his "cyclical" full warrior version in order to gain a place in Man Utd.That full warrior version it's kind of cool, builds a great connection with the crowd in the pitch, but that isn't his best version (sadly he comitted this mistake time and again with the NT).

He did that in order to in his way present his respects (maybe the only time in his whole carreer, because he really wanted bad to be a Man Utd player) understanding his initial "loan" player role and respecting the already established big players in the team.
Once he delivered (more as pitbull than the real full blown Tevez), he wanted first team treatment, as simple as that.

Anyone that thinks (even hating the dude, understandable BTW), that he wasn't a full blown special world class player, it's absolutely wrong, he is the definition of anywhere, anyhow against anything.
The more well rounded, more spectacular (and even leader) City's Tevez didn't appeared all of a sudden, that IS HIM, like he was prior to Man Utd in Boca and Corinthinas and mostly later in his more mature (on every sense, even fitness) Juve days.

That's why he got so angry and stubborned when they didn't want to buy him fast and to add salt to the injury spend on Berba (that also could have been bought and play perfectly with Wayne and him). There is when that initial loaned "humble", easy going Carlos, went full (and more real) "show me the money" Carlos. Then played his cards a la Tevez, his management (Kia and cia) at the same time was quite obscure and very money oriented, maybe even more than him (that's saying sthg.).
All of this combined with him being a fella that for the good and bad never care about what anyone thinks (who else would have stayed that calm after that move Mancini pulled on him abd went playing golf and without even tryng to clean his image), ended really bad (sadly).

In this whole Man Utd afair, he certainly felt he wasn't respected in a way he thinks he deserved.
On a strict football sense, Man Utd in many ways lost the plot there, Tevez with his usal antics and ego didn't help, but Fergie's ego was always really huge too and things collapsed. A pity because that day a big part of that combination of a team with skill and more than tenacity, plain ferocity as identity, went away to never return no matter how well other forwards and players did later and the Club still feels that change.

Keeping CR was more than probably impossible, but keeping that pair of Rooney and Carlos could have been done, at least as a BET.
If Fergie or the Managers didn't feel that they could have a Boca, Corinthians, City or Juve version with them (or even acknowledge that existed that version), yet at least a bet on him when the players themselves like Rooney questioned the idea behind letting go CR and Tevez go.

Tévez was on a two-year loan because of the stupid third-party issue in the first place. There was also an agreement to make the move permanent after the loan, which the club wanted to trigger despite him being poor in his second season. Not only did he barely score goals (but popped up with a couple important ones at the end) but his overall gameplay was fairly average. He looked clumsy with the ball at his feet and lacked a lot with his decision-making. There was hardly any world-class about him then and that would have been highlighted way more without C.Ronaldo covering his output.

Despite all of this, like I said, the club wanted to make the move permanent. But Kia took advantage of City's emergence and negotiated a massive increase in salary and transfer fee, which hardly felt justified for United back then. Don't forget he decided to complain about his situation in his on-pitch interview during the title celebrations, which hardly helped how he was perceived and in the clubs discussions about him. "In the derby I didn't play" despite starting, and scoring, against City a few weeks prior.

I still don't think not signing Tévez permanently was a mistake at all, it was more about not replacing C.Ronaldo and shifting back to a suitable team first-structure. Even if what you are saying about him not being respected enough, there was hardly anything in his performances that deserved the kind of respect he wanted. Hell, we all kinda accepted Cristiano's "I'm a slave" sentiment, because he was the best player in the world. Both Tévez and C.Ronaldo were dependant on each other, but a player like Cristiano was nigh-on impossible to replace, whilst the same couldn't be said about Tévez.
 
United didnt let Tevez go. He chose double his money at City. Which is fair enough but he wasn't Uniteds best player. And he was fairly average in his second season scoring 5 league goals. United wanted to keep him but he made his decision. And in hindsight he was very unprofessional at City and a problem for them. So we were better off without him.
I also think that Tevez was overrated. Didn’t he also sit on the bench quite often and was not playing that much?
 
People still to this day doesn't get that Tevez accepted to play second fiddle, or better said to play his "cyclical" full warrior version in order to gain a place in Man Utd.That full warrior version it's kind of cool, builds a great connection with the crowd in the pitch, but that isn't his best version (sadly he comitted this mistake time and again with the NT).

He did that in order to in his way present his respects (maybe the only time in his whole carreer, because he really wanted bad to be a Man Utd player) understanding his initial "loan" player role and respecting the already established big players in the team.
Once he delivered (more as pitbull than the real full blown Tevez), he wanted first team treatment, as simple as that.

Anyone that thinks (even hating the dude, understandable BTW), that he wasn't a full blown special world class player, it's absolutely wrong, he is the definition of anywhere, anyhow against anything.
The more well rounded, more spectacular (and even leader) City's Tevez didn't appeared all of a sudden, that IS HIM, like he was prior to Man Utd in Boca and Corinthinas and mostly later in his more mature (on every sense, even fitness) Juve days.

That's why he got so angry and stubborned when they didn't want to buy him fast and to add salt to the injury spend on Berba (that also could have been bought and play perfectly with Wayne and him). There is when that initial loaned "humble", easy going Carlos, went full (and more real) "show me the money" Carlos. Then played his cards a la Tevez, his management (Kia and cia) at the same time was quite obscure and very money oriented, maybe even more than him (that's saying sthg.).
All of this combined with him being a fella that for the good and bad never care about what anyone thinks (who else would have stayed that calm after that move Mancini pulled on him abd went playing golf and without even tryng to clean his image), ended really bad (sadly).

In this whole Man Utd afair, he certainly felt he wasn't respected in a way he thinks he deserved.
On a strict football sense, Man Utd in many ways lost the plot there, Tevez with his usal antics and ego didn't help, but Fergie's ego was always really huge too and things collapsed. A pity because that day a big part of that combination of a team with skill and more than tenacity, plain ferocity as identity, went away to never return no matter how well other forwards and players did later and the Club still feels that change.

Keeping CR was more than probably impossible, but keeping that pair of Rooney and Carlos could have been done, at least as a BET.
If Fergie or the Managers didn't feel that they could have a Boca, Corinthians, City or Juve version with them (or even acknowledge that existed that version), yet at least a bet on him when the players themselves like Rooney questioned the idea behind letting go CR and Tevez go.

This is a slightly bizarre and one-sided take.
 
Tevez was a better player than Berbatov, by quite some margin. I didn't agree with the critics at the time calling him a headless chicken.

It was clear that things had turned toxic somewhere along the second season and both Tevez and the club wanted out. The attacking threat in 08/09 season in general wasn't as good as the previous season (partly due to Berbatov disrupting the attack)
 
Tevez was good but he wasn't great for us. He was far better at City. Suspect being the main forward suited him.
 
Tevez was good but he wasn't great for us. He was far better at City. Suspect being the main forward suited him.
He was still quite young when he signed for us wasn't he? I think if he stayed he would have started to put up great numbers for us too
 
I loved Berbatov, but the most disappointing thing about his signing was how little we saw these three play together after he joined.

They started 1 game together in the Champions League. We best Arsenal 1-0 at home.

They started together once in the Club World Cup. That was the final against LDU Quito in which we won 1-0.

They didn't start any games together in the domestic cups.

In the league:
0-0 away to Villa
0-1 victory away to Stoke
1-4 lost at home to Liverpool
0-0 at home to Arsenal. The "Fergie sign him up" game.

So, all in all, they only started 6 games together. That's incredibly disappointing when you consider how good they were together in just the previous season.

My favourite game of that season was the 5-2 against Spurs where we played Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez and Berbatov all together in the 2nd half. They were electric together that half!
 
Tevez was good but he wasn't great for us. He was far better at City. Suspect being the main forward suited him.
Probably didn’t help that he was surrounded by great players, Rooney/Ronaldo. At city he was probably the main man.
 
I just watched a video this evening about the 2007/2008 season. What a team, what a squad. Almost makes you want to cry compared to what we have these days. Apart from those 3, we had Nani, Park, Scholes, Hargreaves, Carrick, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Pique...ridiculous squad.
It is perhaps, most probably, the best squad the club has ever had. We might never get to that point again. For perspective, as good as Citys squad are, the only 2 players (IMO) that would have a chance of getting into that starting eleven is Rodri and KdB. Well, it is what it is.
 
This is a slightly bizarre and one-sided take.

Not really, Tevez was and is difficult as hell, but things weren't done properly with him after his first spell and he is a fella that wrong or right, would do what he wants no matter who is in front of him. It isn't hard to read him and how he manages to do things better.
 
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I can't ever hate Tevez despite all the shit he did
 
I don't think that either Rooney or Tevez would get to the level they got after Ronaldo left if that trio played together for the following years together.
Ronaldo's presence and numbers were way too overwhelming when he started to peak.

Even in Real we only saw everything that Benzema had to offer after Ronaldo left.
 
Tévez was on a two-year loan because of the stupid third-party issue in the first place. There was also an agreement to make the move permanent after the loan, which the club wanted to trigger despite him being poor in his second season. Not only did he barely score goals (but popped up with a couple important ones at the end) but his overall gameplay was fairly average. He looked clumsy with the ball at his feet and lacked a lot with his decision-making. There was hardly any world-class about him then and that would have been highlighted way more without C.Ronaldo covering his output.

Despite all of this, like I said, the club wanted to make the move permanent. But Kia took advantage of City's emergence and negotiated a massive increase in salary and transfer fee, which hardly felt justified for United back then. Don't forget he decided to complain about his situation in his on-pitch interview during the title celebrations, which hardly helped how he was perceived and in the clubs discussions about him. "In the derby I didn't play" despite starting, and scoring, against City a few weeks prior.

I still don't think not signing Tévez permanently was a mistake at all, it was more about not replacing C.Ronaldo and shifting back to a suitable team first-structure. Even if what you are saying about him not being respected enough, there was hardly anything in his performances that deserved the kind of respect he wanted. Hell, we all kinda accepted Cristiano's "I'm a slave" sentiment, because he was the best player in the world. Both Tévez and C.Ronaldo were dependant on each other, but a player like Cristiano was nigh-on impossible to replace, whilst the same couldn't be said about Tévez.

The thing it's that he clearly wanted to be signed after his first season, we all know that if a Club really wants sthg. it's doable with any type of contract. After that season the situation got really grey and uncomfortable for him.
He played quite less quantity of minutes (and even less games) in the Premier League and the reading from his side was that they wanted to devalue his position in order to pay him less. Right or wrong, truth or not his reading, paranoid or not, that situation could have been managed better if Fergie (and the Club) really wanted him badly and give him full first team status inmediatly after his first season. He certainly felt himself in a worse situation when Fergie went after Berba.

The Tevez and Rooney partnership was sthg to not mess with it, it was the sort of understanding that rarely happens and more with two very similar players in style, atributes and attitude in the pitch. The scenario became worse when he ended adding the last ingredient for City to become a real threat, the whole situation of changing the type of approach of the team and the strength he gave to City, clearly changed the path of both clubs, it doesn't matter if Carlos ain't Maradona, it just happened and could have been avoided.

All things said, Carlos is Carlos and even if he was giving a proper first team contract after his first season, he more than probably at some point get bored and leave Man Utd all of a sudden, he is really hard to manage and more with Kia and co. behind him.
And like you've said, he would talk/complain to anyone, he won't even care if it's Fergie or whomever and that won't sit well with such a legendary coach. At the end of the day it's sad that all the parts couldn't manage the whole thing better.
 
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I also think that Tevez was overrated. Didn’t he also sit on the bench quite often and was not playing that much?

He played less games, but more than that, he played quiet less minutes and he read that stuff like a way to buy him with at a lower cost.

Anyway we can't fault Fergie if that was his idea because he didn't rate him that much, it's his prefference, but Carlos was Carlos since his debut, not a fella that won't talk, protest or do whatever he felt he wanted, wrong or right.
 
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Tevez was bossing it for both City and Juve after he left us. same energy, free kicks, long shots, headers, typical poacher goals, they basically got everything we got from him in 2008, but way more.

I never warmed up to Berba, he never did anything in CL for us and Fergie simply stopped using him after a while. think it was 3 years without a single goal before he scored against Basel or Benfica in CL group during that shitty season.