No-one until Sky brought it up because hardly anyone heard it.
I hold Sky reponsible for offending children, innocents and the verbally clean-living amongst us.
Rooney Charged: Faces Two Match Ban for cursing | Appeal lost
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I hold Sky reponsible for offending children, innocents and the verbally clean-living amongst us.
Sky say don't shoot the messenger!
Cashley says I shot a Yuuf but FA won't do shit cos I'm a Chelsea Chav.
Cashley says I shot a Yuuf but FA won't do shit cos I'm a Chelsea Chav.
I always laugh at these sorts of events because if it's so offensive, why show it 20 more times?
Oh the hilarity.
Is he getting reading to say 'fanks' here?
For goodness' sake!
Fwank.
'Fine, I'll take my ball home, I'm not playing anymore!'
Fwank.
Fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fabulous.
I have 3 children - aged 9, 8 & 6. None of them swear but they have heard the f-word before. They giggle when they hear it, that's all. Where's all this outrage coming from?
You go to a game and supporters eff and blind for 90 mins. ALL the players do it. It's no secret ffs! And now Rooney faces a 2 match ban because some cnut stuck a camera in his face and he said feck? The world has gone fecking mental.
You go to a game and supporters eff and blind for 90 mins. ALL the players do it. It's no secret ffs! And now Rooney faces a 2 match ban because some cnut stuck a camera in his face and he said feck? The world has gone fecking mental.
Oh yeah. He grabbed the camera! Silly me 
SSN: PFA Chief Executive Gordon Taylor questions FA's decision to charge Wayne Rooney for swearing into TV camera at West Ham
spot on ive got 3 as well and whenever i took my 8 year old daughter
she didnt understand half the swear words anyway my 13 year old son just giggled as you said.
What i really think is a shame in all of this fiasco ,Is the fact that he apologised! what message does this send out? dont apologise because it doesnt matter, explain that to a young child
If the FA had a ounce of decency they could give him a one match ban and explain the reason for the leniency,was due to the speedy apology that he gave out.
Terry, arshole he may be, isn't swearing aggressively down the camera at the viewers there so its not the same. Yes we all know players swear on the pitch, even at the ref sometimes but its not the same incident, they are in dialogue with other players not directing it at viewers. The only one in recent times the same as what Rooney did is the Drogba one, which equally got bad attention for the media as said.
None of the other United players need to do this or any other players so why did Wayne Rooney have to? He needs to calm down, heat of the moment or not, there is a line and he went over it as he knows and is now finding out. There's plenty of passionate ways to react in such a great game/result other than swearing down the lens at viewers. All its done is given the media a chance to worm out of admitting United were awesome that day.
None of the other United players need to do this or any other players so why did Wayne Rooney have to? He needs to calm down, heat of the moment or not, there is a line and he went over it as he knows and is now finding out. There's plenty of passionate ways to react in such a great game/result other than swearing down the lens at viewers. All its done is given the media a chance to worm out of admitting United were awesome that day.
But...but...it makes good headlines.
So many positives have come out of this.
More viewers tuning into Sky and it more people buying newspapers.
More people clicking on their Internet links too.
Made the FA and Graham Poll look such prats again.
Surely swearing at the referee is worse than swearing at a camera?
The Drogba one is totally different, he was aiming his swearing towards the referee whereas Rooney wasn't.
Am I the only one that can hear the chants in the crowd pretty clearly when I'm watching on TV? Most of them contain swearing of some sort so it's not like kids aren't familiar with that sort of language when watching football. Plus you also hear swearing from players who aren't aiming it directly at the camera.
It's a fecking joke really, he should probably get fined a weeks wages, maybe even two just to discourage players from doing it again. A 2 game ban is ridiculous which ever way you look at it. It's longer than he would've got had he got a straight red (which we all know he never would've got) so I don't really get where they've got 2 from.
When did it stop becoming parents jobs to raise kids in this country and start becoming Footballers?
Maybe this is why they are paid so well.
Maybe this is why they are paid so well.
If Mason indeed say he would have given Rooney a red for what he said then he is a liar ... I said it ... What? fecking What?.
Bet your house that when we got our penalty that at least 1 West Ham player used foul and abusive language and don't recall any one of them being sent off. Am sure if someone took the time from the incident - they could find evidence of at least one of them saying feck or something similar. So why not question Mason if he hadn't heard that then would have sent that player off and if not then why is it different from Rooney's case. Swearing into the camera should have no bearing and that is why this is unprecedented, the FA and Mason are making up rules as they go.
Bet your house that when we got our penalty that at least 1 West Ham player used foul and abusive language and don't recall any one of them being sent off. Am sure if someone took the time from the incident - they could find evidence of at least one of them saying feck or something similar. So why not question Mason if he hadn't heard that then would have sent that player off and if not then why is it different from Rooney's case. Swearing into the camera should have no bearing and that is why this is unprecedented, the FA and Mason are making up rules as they go.
I think the biggest problem with this charge is that nobody was informed of the penalty before hand. It's a case of putting the cart before the horse. You can't break a law, if the law doesn't exist. Every player understands that if you kick the ball out of bounds, the opposing team get a throw in. Did every player know that you can't swear? And another thing, football players aren't role models. Parents, teachers, family members...these are the role models that should have the most influence on a child. Yes, he was careless, but to think it harmed the EPL, children in any way is ludicrous.
How can swearing at the ref be worse than swearing to a billion people watching at home, especially from the FA's point of image of the game etc.
Not it wasn't totally different it was very much the same, both looked down the lens and swore. In fact Rooney's was worse (although he didn't moan at the ref too) because he actually came across as if he was aiming it at the audience where as Drogba was more protesting the decision and making viewers aware. Rooney's was like an attack on viewers and to be fair it looked bad.
You know I covered this in the very post you quoted. We all know footballers swear and spit on the pitch every week but what they don't do is do it down the camera. This is why the reactions are different. The FA will never fully stop the crowd or players swearing but they can stamp out what Rooney and Drogba did.
Yes agree a fine and a big warning would have been enough but I do think he should have been pulled up on it, even though it didn't offend me one bit. He shouldn't have done it and it was a silly move, especially knowing the press are gunning for him anyway for Colleen and the elbow etc.
The offence committed is using foul and abusive language, there's nothing about doing it into a camera or not. If the FA want to start enforcing the rule then good, but they must do it consistently, the club should meticulously report all incidences of abusive language on the pitch to the FA and demand that they are investigated.
Oh the hilarity.
Is he getting reading to say 'fanks' here?
Fantomas wannabe!
I fully expect to see anyone who directs a swear word in Lee Masons direction from now on sent off. No questions asked.
Fwank.
Fllyyyyyyyyy me to the moon
Fergie will use this ban to further emphasise the point that the FA and everyone out there non-united is agaisnt us to suceed. Hopefully this will spur the players on even more.
another witch-hunt against Rooney, why bring up the past incident, feck off.....
Seeing red: The times Wayne Rooney lost it - News & Comment, Football - The Independent
Seeing red: The times Wayne Rooney lost it - News & Comment, Football - The Independent
I hate multi-quotes.
I personally think it's much worse as you're trying to intimidate the referee which could have an effect on his future decisions. Whatever you say about swearing into the camera it doesn't effect anything that happens on the pitch.
I don't think he meant to cause any offence at all either, which is backed up by his apology straight after the game (without needing to be prompted). There's still a massive difference between what Drogba and Rooney both done. Yes, they both swore but Drogba basically called the ref bent and for me that's a far bigger offence than swearing. Not sure how saying "what, fecking what?" is an attack on the viewers either.
At least we both agree it's harsh, especially as they've just sort of created a rule which didn't exist previously. I agree that it was a silly thing to do too, Rooney sadly isn't the brightest individual.
Am I the only one who thinks he looks more like he's doing a Paul Whitehouse impression...
... Suit you sir!
... Suit you sir!
Who cares what rule or terminology the FA use.....
Rooney swears ALL the time, at the ref, the players at everything that doesn't go his way as we've all seen so how come he's been playing in the Premiership since 16 and never been in this trouble before for it? Exactly, because this is the first time he has sworn down the camera at viewers in that aggressive manner. Can you not see that?
No matter what you compare it to there simply hasn't been a case the same this season.
Who cares what rule or terminology the FA use.....
Rooney swears ALL the time, at the ref, the players at everything that doesn't go his way as we've all seen so how come he's been playing in the Premiership since 16 and never been in this trouble before for it? Exactly, because this is the first time he has sworn down the camera at viewers in that aggressive manner. Can you not see that?
No matter what you compare it to there simply hasn't been a case the same this season.
It is unfair for the FA to ignore a rule for years, and then suddenly decide to enforce it in the middle of a season. He has broken the same rule that hundreds of other players break every weekend, the FA should be bound by its own laws, it should either enforce them properly or ignore them, not pick and choose because of public pressure.
If Mason and the FA are going to play the sending off for vulgar language card, then I hope the club gather every incident for the remainder of the season of when a player uses vulgar language towards a match official, crowd, opponent, etc., and files a report to the FA and releases each filing to the media. This would be dozens of filings each matchday. Let's then see how the FA respond.
They've opened a can of worms with this crap.
They've opened a can of worms with this crap.
They'll justify bans for the highest profile incidents only on the basis of actual exposure of the swearing. In other words, it actually is one rule for certain players, and another for others, and they don't really pretend otherwise.
It's still pathetic IMO.
It's still pathetic IMO.
Let me quote myself:
They could do him for improper conduct or bringing the game into disrepute or something. They cannot do him for using foul and abusive language when the language he used wasn't foul and abusive by the standards every single PL game ever has been refereed by. (Well, they obviously can.)
Andy Lonergan was fined and warned for giving various fingers to opposition fans at the end of a game a few months ago. Is saying "feck what" to a camera more offensive than that? And refs tolerate players saying 'feck' to them, but I don't think they would tolerate being shown the finger.
Don't bother mate. It's pointless.
I agree. I don't have children, but I have an 11 year old niece who lives right beside us. She's always in our house when there's a match on, and our language can get quite colourful during a match. She doesn't even listen to it, she knows we eff and blind watching the football, she just ignores it. Her own mum and dad swear during it as well in front of her. I hear worse from children in the street, some of their language is much more worse than a 'feck' word.
So whats the general feeling here. Do most of us feel he should appeal or not?
For me im guessing that if he appeals he will get an extra one match ban. The Fa will come up with some shit like "The ref should of given him a straight red for swearing and that would of been a 3 match ban if he had seen it", or some bollocks like that.
If he did get an extra match ban he would miss the Newcastle away trip.
Personally, we have plenty of options if we are without him. Berbatov, Hernadez and Owen. Giggs up front with nani and Valencia on the wings. Tons of options. I say feck it and let him be abit cheeky and appeal. Its not the end of the world for us. He will come back all rested whatever the case and look forward to the more important games.
For me im guessing that if he appeals he will get an extra one match ban. The Fa will come up with some shit like "The ref should of given him a straight red for swearing and that would of been a 3 match ban if he had seen it", or some bollocks like that.
If he did get an extra match ban he would miss the Newcastle away trip.
Personally, we have plenty of options if we are without him. Berbatov, Hernadez and Owen. Giggs up front with nani and Valencia on the wings. Tons of options. I say feck it and let him be abit cheeky and appeal. Its not the end of the world for us. He will come back all rested whatever the case and look forward to the more important games.
Claymore:
If, as you say, this is the first time that this has happened -- it isn't as lots of players have actually sworn during interviews (Micah Richards, van der Sar, etc, etc), which is probably a more deliberate act -- then surely that merits a warning so that players know exactly what the FA deems as acceptable and unnacceptable?
Whether you agree with it or not -- and you're doing your best to create a distinction that most can't see -- it isn't entirely obvious that there is a substantive difference between swearing directly at the camera, swearing during an interview after a game, and swearing while celebrating, particularly as so many players have been caught by the camera, which completely removes any excuse that they didn't know about the risks.
Surely an incident that hasn't been dealt with before actually merits some leniency, precisely because there is no precedent to use as an example (or as prior warning)?
If the use of one of the smilies (the little green face that you used in your post to kietotheworld) had suddenly become frowned upon at the Caf without any clear warning, would you deem it more fair to be banned for your first usage, even though you didn't really know that it was now frowned upon, or for a continued usage, despite being warned about it several times? The answer to that should be obvious.
Like most supporters, I don't have a problem with the FA enforcing the rules, but they must be set out clearly and consicely, with as little abiguity as possible, and they must enforce those rules fairly and consistently, without reference to 'greater responsibilities' for high profile players and managers. I'd also prefer that they do it at the start of a season having made it clear to all of the clubs, players, and managers, that it was going to happen.
The arbitrary nature of the current enforcement, where they only have to make the same kind of lame excuse without real distinction or precedent that you are making, is not in any way conducive to either discipline or respect. That they can make those excuses, and that you will defend them, says nothing about whether it is ultimately the correct approach or not.
If, as you say, this is the first time that this has happened -- it isn't as lots of players have actually sworn during interviews (Micah Richards, van der Sar, etc, etc), which is probably a more deliberate act -- then surely that merits a warning so that players know exactly what the FA deems as acceptable and unnacceptable?
Whether you agree with it or not -- and you're doing your best to create a distinction that most can't see -- it isn't entirely obvious that there is a substantive difference between swearing directly at the camera, swearing during an interview after a game, and swearing while celebrating, particularly as so many players have been caught by the camera, which completely removes any excuse that they didn't know about the risks.
Surely an incident that hasn't been dealt with before actually merits some leniency, precisely because there is no precedent to use as an example (or as prior warning)?
If the use of one of the smilies (the little green face that you used in your post to kietotheworld) had suddenly become frowned upon at the Caf without any clear warning, would you deem it more fair to be banned for your first usage, even though you didn't really know that it was now frowned upon, or for a continued usage, despite being warned about it several times? The answer to that should be obvious.
Like most supporters, I don't have a problem with the FA enforcing the rules, but they must be set out clearly and consicely, with as little abiguity as possible, and they must enforce those rules fairly and consistently, without reference to 'greater responsibilities' for high profile players and managers. I'd also prefer that they do it at the start of a season having made it clear to all of the clubs, players, and managers, that it was going to happen.
The arbitrary nature of the current enforcement, where they only have to make the same kind of lame excuse without real distinction or precedent that you are making, is not in any way conducive to either discipline or respect. That they can make those excuses, and that you will defend them, says nothing about whether it is ultimately the correct approach or not.
Then just focus on Gerrard and Terry and there's plenty of incidents over the next few weeks that will develop.
So Lonergan directly swears at the fans through gestures and receives a warning, while Rooney receives a 2 match ban. I am absolutely fecking disgusted with this from the FA, it is victimisation because of United's profile.
Claymore if you honestly believe Rooney was swearing at viewers then you should be in an asylum.
Appeal. I really don't think we just should accept a 2 game ban for that thing, we have to appeal because the punishment is pathetic and we should never accept that.