LVG is just stubbornly using Rooney, trying to find a role to keep him in the team somewhere even though he doesnt deserve to be
Rooney being shunted to the left wing..
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What are you all talking about, this was just another example of Rooney 'sacrificing himself' for the team.
True.
Can he not just be club captain without actually playing? He could be Honorary Club Captain if necessary.
He doesn't seem to do much as a captain on the pitch except to shout 'COME ON', and then passes the ball to the opposition for the umpteenth time.
He is the typical jack of trades but master of none, our attacking John O'shea. The difference is we shunt him around because we have better options in every other position and this where he will hinder our play the least. Since LvG is too scared to drop him then at the very least this is how we solve this particular problem.
I think we have to accept he is always going to play, whether it be upfront or a different position. The fact he isn't even being subbed off shows that the notion 'LVG ISN'T AFRAID TO SELL HIS CAPTAIN' is a load of crap.
And FWIW I hope I am proven wrong, but doesn't look like it.
And FWIW I hope I am proven wrong, but doesn't look like it.
So hypotetically Giggs is more worried about his friends than actually doing something proactiv with the team? If this was the situation and Giggs had that choice I like to think he'd drop him and not worry about Rooney or Neville. He wants to become a top manager and that wont happen if he's catering to his friends besides, what could Neville do anyway?
He was better than Memphis...
But will he be better than Young?
I'm not advocating him playing there tbh. I'm just saying the sub was correct as Depay was awful
We're literally just shunting him around the team, trying to find a position where he can do the least damage at this stage
Right back with an electronic ankle bracelet so he doesn't venture out of position. Least damage.
He did show a glimpse in the last 20mins yesterday that he once could play football.
Perhaps moving him wide will give him slightly more space and time which will help to mitigate his abysmal first touch.
Imo it was another sign of LVG''s unwillingness to substitute him.
If we won't drop Rooney, I'd to see us move back to a formation similar to last year's 4-3-3 and put Rooney on the wing. It would look like this:
------------------De Gea------------
Darmian--Smalling----Jones----Blind
---------------Schneiderlin---------
------Herrera------------BFS-----------
-Mata----------Martial----------Rooney
When BFS tires, we can bring on Fellaini, where he was most effective last year. We can bring on Depay every game at around the 60th minute for Rooney, until Depay proves he is clearly the better option (which shouldn't take long in my opinion).
------------------De Gea------------
Darmian--Smalling----Jones----Blind
---------------Schneiderlin---------
------Herrera------------BFS-----------
-Mata----------Martial----------Rooney
When BFS tires, we can bring on Fellaini, where he was most effective last year. We can bring on Depay every game at around the 60th minute for Rooney, until Depay proves he is clearly the better option (which shouldn't take long in my opinion).
Id like to see this team as well.
We have these, already?Yeah our Herrera lovers and Memphis haters can join to the party that this is good idea.
Just to be disappointed in the end because Memphis will take number 10. role
I'm not a Memphis hater, but I think he should be dropped and taken out of the limelight a bit, until he adapts better to the league. His performances have been woeful, tbf.
He's undoubtedly talented, but he's struggled to adapt thus far. Onwards and upwards though. I'm sure he'll improve.
That's very untrue though, isn't it?
As shit as he's been for a long while now, and fully deserving to lose his place, posters on here seem to have short memories.
Rooney's been absolute quality for a good decade or so for us. Whether he's past it now or not is pretty irrelevant to that fact IMO.
ok this is just stupid now. if he carries on with this stance i will happily wave him goodbye next year
I refuse to believe this could possibly be true. Surely?
I don't hate Memphis, but LvG keeps going on about foreign players need to be phased in as they might take time to settle to the lifestyle and the style of football, yet he has thrown Memphis in at the deep end to sink or swim and at the moment he is sinking. I would have brought him on as a impact sub to start with.We have these, already?
I'm not a Memphis hater, but I think he should be dropped and taken out of the limelight a bit, until he adapts better to the league. His performances have been woeful, tbf.
He's undoubtedly talented, but he's struggled to adapt thus far. Onwards and upwards though. I'm sure he'll improve.
That sounds like someone who doesn't want to admit his captain is playing badly.
Yeah, it's not bonkers this way. If he ever said that his captaincy was more important than performance, this would be true lunacy.
There is another quote on Rooney. It goes "Rooney's position is very important to us as a captain and that is far more important than any evaluation of individual performance"
That very much sounds like the captain must play regardless of how he's playing b
That very much sounds like the captain must play regardless of how he's playing b
FS, we might as well get him an armchair and a megaphone if that's the case.
Yep, can see the benefit to that tbf. And I don't necessarily think wanting Memphis out of the starting lineup equates to "haters" either. That's just a lazy generalisation.
And yet he has two players (Schweinsteiger and Smalling) who look much more credible as captain than him.
VG could always choose a new captain. That way we could at least play with 11 men instead of 10.
I wouldn't mind if he was on the left wing of a plane flying far, far away from Manchester
a lot of this is a bit ridiciulous in terms of Sunday.
Memphis was a waste of space, having one of his fairly useless games, and Rooney did a much better job, and allowed us to play 3 centre mids.
if we'd started with the lineup we played most of the second half with we wouldn't have got obliterated.
Memphis was a waste of space, having one of his fairly useless games, and Rooney did a much better job, and allowed us to play 3 centre mids.
if we'd started with the lineup we played most of the second half with we wouldn't have got obliterated.
This. At the moment, Schweinsteiger or Smalling are the outstanding candidates for future captaincy. However, I would give a bigger edge to the German because of his experience in that position.
Gary Neville was club captain in his last few years despite not playing often iirc.
True. He was never an out and out 9 or an out and out 10. Before he was our best player so even though he could be awkward, he was worth it. Now he's stopping us from playing 3 in the middle while not doing anything defensively or offensively.
Left wing is his absolute worst position. Better as a DM.
I can only see positives:
- We finally can switch to 4-3-3 (we couldn't because lvg had to try Rooney up top and Memphis on the left, while Martial is in undroppeable form, so we had to use 4-4-1-1)
- Rooney gets more time on the ball than in the middle
- We can finally play Herrera/Fellaini
- Only one of Memphis/Rooney at once
I think we won't see the potential of this team fulfilled unless Rooney leaves. He's the bull in Chinese shop.
It's such a shame the gormless one had to give him a 5 years contract, that must have been one of the most long lasting damage caused under his reign
It's such a shame the gormless one had to give him a 5 years contract, that must have been one of the most long lasting damage caused under his reign
I'd play him at right back.. he can't be worse than Darmian right now.
Oh he can. Imagine passing to opposition player near the box
Should be on the bench. Come on in the last 20 minutes to try and do something if required.
Herrera should be starting.
Herrera should be starting.
Played there during our most successful period.
Its a bit trickier than that though. If Rooney remains undroppable, but in this new position, it means Memphis doesnt get a look in, or has to adapt to a new position himself.
The bottom line is, we can dance around this all day long, but there is no perfect solution while Rooney (or any player) is undroppable. Its not healthy.
In fact, I have just decided to create my own philosophy. Its still in its embryonic stages at the moment, I only have one rule finalised: no player is undroppable, everyone has to compete for their place.