The only really good games under LVG came after Rooney talks last March.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Rooney and Carrick leading crisis talks...
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A much less sensationalist approach. No good round here.
Nearly as good as the "rich young man drives expensive car" thread we had the other day.
What next? Will the players organize a "Van Gaal Out" plane banner? This situation has become a joke in one of the crucial periods of the season.
Having said that, man there is one thing that has really disappointed me about LVG and that's his insistence to constantly play Rooney. I thought he was a manager that plays players on form not reputation but that doesn't seem to be the case. I think people would have been more forgiving if he was putting out the best form players and we weren't getting results instead of players like Rooney and Fellaini.
Having said that, man there is one thing that has really disappointed me about LVG and that's his insistence to constantly play Rooney. I thought he was a manager that plays players on form not reputation but that doesn't seem to be the case. I think people would have been more forgiving if he was putting out the best form players and we weren't getting results instead of players like Rooney and Fellaini.
Much as Rooney's play has been absolute gash this season, and I'm not his biggest fan as a person, you can't deny that his standing, both within the club, and in English football in general is pretty much second-to-none. He is basically THE senior pro in English football now. So in a sense it's not unreasonable for him to be leading this.
Furthermore, he's probably as pissed off as any of us about how crap he's been playing. Rightly or wrongly (we can't know for definite, but it's probably at least partyl the case) I can see him attributing this to the manager's tactics and techniques, and being keen to see things change one way or another.
Furthermore, he's probably as pissed off as any of us about how crap he's been playing. Rightly or wrongly (we can't know for definite, but it's probably at least partyl the case) I can see him attributing this to the manager's tactics and techniques, and being keen to see things change one way or another.
Exactly this. Benching Rooney would be half solution because we'd definitely have more fluid attack without one player constantly screwing up every move but we'd not suddenly be top class, we don't have the players for that.
The only thing Rooney should lead is a lorry full of grandma's to a brothel, seriously, just feck him off.
If those two really want to help they could volunteer to tear up their contracts?
Carricks passing has been fine, just that LvG either has him paired with BFS or Fellaini, when it should be with Morgan and Ander to do the donkey work for him. That would free him to make his passes.
It's ironic considering that both aren't good enoughfor the club anymore
Second part of your post made me burst out laughing. It's like it was written by Colleen.
I have not seen Wayne look frustrated all season. . He's loving life ay the moment. Breaking all time records left right and centre without having to lift a finger this season.
He is leading these talks so he can manipulate the agenda and protect number one - himself. If he had any love for the club and it's fortunes.. he'd offer to retire and feck off to China.
I would say his passing has been OK at best, even if you just take the last game against Norwich I remember him failing to make some pretty simple passes for a midfielder who has built a career on his passing game
The rest of his game has gone to pot and I think he is really struggling physically. To be honest, I've always had a little bit of an issue with Carrick because as good as he has been at times, I don't really think he has a "Utd mentality"
By that I mean when the chips are down, our old sides used to be a bunch of right horrible, snarling, nasty feckers. This lot are too nice, I look at Carrick as our Vice Captain and the husk of Wayne Rooney and see no passion or aggression, just passive acceptance
Show me a good loser, I'll show you a loser!
I think Wayne has got a bit complacent, he used to be a nasty so and so. Carrick has always been a bit nice. Ander can be nasty at time. Fellaini is nasty, more because he is useless than by design.
Except if we play anyone of any quality, then he'll go into hiding again. When you have to pair him with 2 other players to get the best out of a player who is past it then I think it's time to go.
I think Michael is a really nice lad, but as you say I would never call him brave.
I may sound silly but what's wrong with Rooney and Carrick talking to LvG about the tactics? Don't we all want to see something different in the attacking half of the pitch? The players have been patient and they've followed their managers instructions until now but, unfortunately, it hasn't worked out very well. Leaving the blame game aside, no team in any sport has reached the goals that were set at the start of the season without getting good performances from its senior players. This is our main problem right now, we depend highly on the back four and DDG to keep clean sheets and a bunch of youngsters to lead the attack. All the senior creative players have been underperforming and maybe, just maybe, the two captains discussed with LvG the possibility of a different and more direct approach. We should thank the Lord, if they convince him to do what he did at AZ when he completely changed everything he made a U-turn in terms of tactics.
I'm not sure what part of that post is the silliest.
I'm no big fan of Rooney, as you'll see from looking back at my posts over the years. I find him to be an annoying ignorant scouser, and I don't trust his commitment to the club. So claiming it's "like it was written by Colleen" is pathetic.
If you seriously think he's enjoying how things are going then you must ahve a screw lose. No professional footballer, in fact no sportsmans of any level, enjoys being shit at their sport and losing. I'm not saying this is of any particular credit to him, it's just how people are. He could be Suarez or he could be Hitler playing dominoes, he'd still be frustrated at losing.
He may well be prioritising himself, but it's in his interests for his form and the club's fortunes to improve. If you seriously think anybody in his situation would "offer to retire", you've just got a screw lose!
Wayne: Erm..Gaffa me and Michael think you should go easy on the training like..as erm it's causing injuries.
LvG: Whatever you want Wayne.
LvG: Whatever you want Wayne.
LvG: whatever you want Wayne.
LvG: that wasn't my intention but if they are saying it - that I am zis Bantah-Keeler then I shall listen.. Whatever you want Wayne.
Michael: sorry I have been abit quiet boss, sounds good I could do with the extra support in midfield and ill allow me to 'run' the game from a deeper position. like Pirlo with knobs on.
LvG: You two are so helpful, I reel appreciate you both looking out for me. If only that schnake Geiggs had as many ideas as you two.. anyway consider it done.
3 MONTHS after January - with new signings in tow. . United find themselves 7th
Wayne: Gaffa.. the squad has been saying that the training has been bit too intense considering we're approaching the end of the season...maybe if we change it we can make a late charge for top four?
.. and the cycle begins all over again.
LvG: Whatever you want Wayne.
- reduces quantity of training, gets his squad back
- picks first team of DDG, Darmian, Smalling, Blind, Shaw, Carrick, Schweinsteiger, Mata, Martial (RW) Rooney, Depay.
- still one paced in midfield and attack despite less training.. quality of possession still dire. Out wide we look dangerous but as soon as it gets played back into central areas, Mata and Rooney lack the ability to create or fashion chances in tight spaces. Martial and delay are dangerous but isolated out wide.
LvG: Whatever you want Wayne.
- picks same lineup, tweaks positions so that Rooney is attacking mid, Martial9 and Mata right wing..
- even more one paced in midfield, complete lack of influence in the hole.. leading to backwards passing and Mata ensures there is lack of pace out wide.
LvG: whatever you want Wayne.
- goes with Young instead of Darmian, puts Fellaini in instead of Mata.. puts Rooney back up top and Martial out wide.
- - any semblance of aesthetic quality the team possesses disappears and the impact on chances created is negligible. More threat from set pieces is happening but not enough to make up for lack of chances created from open play.
LvG: that wasn't my intention but if they are saying it - that I am zis Bantah-Keeler then I shall listen.. Whatever you want Wayne.
- makes feck all impact, doom and gloom returns to the dressing room after the next set of poor performances.
Michael: sorry I have been abit quiet boss, sounds good I could do with the extra support in midfield and ill allow me to 'run' the game from a deeper position. like Pirlo with knobs on.
LvG: You two are so helpful, I reel appreciate you both looking out for me. If only that schnake Geiggs had as many ideas as you two.. anyway consider it done.
- picks Schneiderlin in midfield alongside Carrick and Schweinsteiger. Picks Rooney up top with Mata and Martial out wide.. specific instructions to counter.
- leads to upturn in performances with team looking impenetrable but going forwards it is completely ineffectual with no pace or quality on the counter.
3 MONTHS after January - with new signings in tow. . United find themselves 7th
Wayne: Gaffa.. the squad has been saying that the training has been bit too intense considering we're approaching the end of the season...maybe if we change it we can make a late charge for top four?
.. and the cycle begins all over again.
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You alright?Who the feck should lead the talks then? Yo momma?
Laughable that Rooney has the balls to be leading this conversation. Clearly LVG has lost the dressing room if this is happening.
I dont think anyone would claim he is enjoying it, the point is more that he is too deluded to recognize he is a massive part of the problem
I stand corrected sir
This is very believable. I can imagine Rooney giving out advice telling people where he thinks the team is going wrong and being completely delusional to the fact that he himself is a large part of the problem. I want Rooney out more than I want Van Gaal out. Rooney will be backing LVG until the end as well as he knows he has him under his thumb and will get to play every game no matter how poor hes playing.
van Gaal has made all our players less than what they are. his leaving simply has to happen.
Tell me you copy and pasted that off somebody else, right?
it is from an ITK source at the daily mail who has been privy to these crisis talks. As to your post below..
Firstly you would be surprised how some sportsmen can reach the stage where as long as they're collecting paycheques, they couldn't give a shite as to whether they're winning trophies etc. As long as they remain in the public eye and are seen as important/relevant.. that is enough for them. Rooney's body language has undergone tremendous change from when he was at his peak.. where he was the epitome of the never say die, with an extremely strong will to win.. but even then.. there was limits to that will to win.
I read a book by Alistair Campbell on winning and in it, he interviews a United first team coach who had this to say... "with Ronaldo, he never ever stopped setting goals and targets for himself. He would always set new ones and nothing was ever enough for him, the greatest trainer we had ever seen and we knew he was destined for the very top. He was a truly world class footballer. Whereas with Wayne.. we never thought he would end up living to his potential because he thought he had made it as soon as he had arrived at the club. He didn't think he needed to improve and didn't go above and beyond to improve his game in the slightest."
Now, that is a tad harsh because Rooney did go through some seasons where he tried to add new elements to his game.. but everything about him suggested he was in a comfort zone and as he has aged, as his powers have waned.. he does not care about as much about winning, as long as he manages to reach these certain historic targets and remain relevant to the England national team/be seen as an icon to the United brand, that is enough for Wayne - he'll consider that a great career. At the moment, he is not facing any threat for both club and country.. he has the FA and Manchester United in his pocket. He is sleepwalking his way to historic goalscoring records. He couldn't give a flying feck about what happens to the club as long as he plays, establishes his brand and he is raking the money in.
Offer to retire? many top footballers in the past.. knew when it was there time to go and quit. They had pride and didn't want to be seen as lesser beings.. the thought of playing past their peak would have embarrassed them. Think Cantona? think Irwin.. or Schmeichel.. players who wanted to leave at the top.
LVG should quietly listen to what Rooney says.
Then on the next match selection, he should drop him completely.
When Rooney asks why he has been completely dropped, he should say, I have taken your advice and feel that its best you don't play due to your poor performances.
Yes.
MOMMA: "I fink you should get the ball thingy between those sticks more often."
LVG: "Bugger off in Dutch."
To be fair, looking out for No.1 is what we all do, when it concerns our own job security.
The moral/right thing to do would be to look out for the club and not for himself.
LVGs problem is that he has given Rooney so much power, LVG will probably get sacked as a direct (but unintended) result of this.
LvG should hand Rooney a mirror.
Has the Carrick hate come back then? Really doesn't take much for it to resurface
Nothing wrong with the captain leading these talks, that's part of his role and it doesn't mean LvG can't also give him feedback.
If it's true though then it shows a lack of trust in the managers techniques, it can become a slippery slope from there.
Nothing wrong with the captain leading these talks, that's part of his role and it doesn't mean LvG can't also give him feedback.
If it's true though then it shows a lack of trust in the managers techniques, it can become a slippery slope from there.
Weird because he's one of the most positive midfielders in the side. I thinks its mostly because his names not Bastian Pirlo.Has the Carrick hate come back then? Really doesn't take much for it to resurface
I expect him to turn the fans again in the next few months, as he has tends to do most seasons
Well he certainly doesn't have any pace or athleticism to lose with age. What does the bolded part mean? You going on about him having a Continental style? He's nowhere near comparable to the above mentioned players on the European stage if that's what you mean..
Getting rid of our only midfielder capable of passing the ball forward isn't of much good to us.
I agree with that, I don't get the carrick hate on this thread. It isn't his fault he has no one to pass to up top.
I think if you put pirlo or Xavi in our current setup, they would struggle as well. Carrick hasn't had the setup that they have had , especially in his latter years IMO.
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