Ye it’s been a mistake we keep making year after year but hopefully now with Ten Hag that will change. He’ll only bring in hungry players who want to play for us.
Ronaldo | Refused to come on as sub, left OT | Axed from squad for Chelsea & fined 2 weeks wages
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Nothing was revealed. I guess he hoped he would be out of United by then.
It's true because two weeks after that, Bayern Munich director or president or whoever it was said Ronaldo to Munich doesn't make sense.
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Hope you are feeling better. You just have to look at the likes of facebook and I suspect a lot of them are starry eyed Ronaldo fans not Manchester United fans. A lot saying he is our best ever player. They really don't know anything about Manchester United if they think that.
There was nothing rotten about him last season. He was in fact one of the few highlights.
Right now its all a bit messy but we don't have to rewrite the whole move.
the 20 years where he's scored 700 club goals? the 20 years where he's scored more hat tricks than many other forwards score goals? the 20 years where he has won ballon d'ors and starred for his country? those 20 years?
His behaviour this week was unacceptable and he is being punished. His time at United is over because of it come the summer. But let's not suddenly try to rewrite history
Personally I feel that he was the reason we were thrash last season. Yes he scored a lot of goals but the team was shite. Football is a team sport and if there is disunity in the squad, we will see it in the results. I am saying this based on:
1: Greenwood and Rashfold became extremely greedy and toxic at the start of the season. I remembered Greenwood scored and Ronaldo never celebrated with him. Bruno was only trying to find Ronaldo even when greenwood or Rashy was in a better position. Greenwood started doing same. Them we heard a report that it was a gang up between the English players and the Latinos.
2: We also got reports that Maguire had a spat with Ronaldo. Ronaldo thought he should be the captain of the team and the leader in the dressing room. The English players were not comfortable with it.
3: Cavani wanted to go back to Uruguay but was promised game time and stayed just because of that promise. Ronaldo came and Cavani was frozen out of the team. His number 7 shirt was handed over to Ronaldo immediately ( We can make an argument for/on that)
Bad management by Ole made the team suck last season. Remember we were second in the previous season before bringing Ronaldo. He played all our games but every other player looked really bad. Even in games that he was playing shite, Ole never had the courage to drop him. When the team was playing bad, Ole never had the courage to play a team that will give him a proper balance because he was scared of Ronaldo and the media. When OLE left, the 2 matches carrick played as manager, Ronaldo was on the bench( that should tell us something)
In summary, Ronaldo has been toxic and I pray he leaves this club in January. I have been a fan before Ronaldo came and my children will be fans long after he has gone.
1 mil pounds. Xd
Yeah. In that 20 years, he had issues with united because he wanted his dream move to real Madrid and he left. He then had issues with real Madrid fans and board and demanded a move to Juventus and he left. Had similar issues with Juventus fans and found himself back here.
I remember he was booed both by Madrid fans and Juventus fans.
We are not talking about his talent or quality. It's all about the attitude, his ego.
Right now, it's bad for our club.
This is united. Garnacho will be watching and thinking....like I have said before. Ronaldo can't do this in any other club...no other club will take this. Fernabache terminated ozil contract due to a similar and less attitude
In the opinion of a substantial segment of the fan base, the fact that the team played to Ronaldo's strengths was the reason so many players had a massive dip in form. It cannot be a coincidence that Rashford, Bruno, and Shaw all perform better when he isn't part of the playing squad.
I think you made a few good points but this one is way off really, we outperformed our xG, and rode our luck on so many occasions in 2020, but even then that point total and GD would only have been enough to get 4th last season.
Loads of us called it even then, then we had a reckoning coming with those tactics and performances.
Us coming second with 74 points was embarrassing for the league but was mainly due to Liverpool and Chelsea dropping off a cliff, and through us riding our luck.
He actually told the GM that he won't ever play for them again because he wasn't benched. They were getting torn to shreds in the game and Roy wanted a goalie change but the coach refused.
Agreed. Other teams were bad and we got second.
Then we bought Sancho, varane and Ronaldo(last minute).
We were suppose to improve as a team. In fact pundits gave us the League because our biggest challenge the previous season was creating and scoring goals against low block teams. Sancho was suppose to bring that creativity and Ronaldo the goals. What they never saw was that we had a team that played for each other. I remember how hard James and Rashy was working for the team. Rashfold was playing even with a shoulder injury. Goals was shared between the front 4, The joy the front 4 had playing with each other was evident. then Ronaldo came, James left and we became a one man team.
If Ronaldo had not come, if we had stuck with Cavani, James, Rashy, martial and Greenwood...maybe greenwood would not even have gotten himself into that mess he is in now and we would not have been shite last season and maybe Ole would have still been our coach. So still glad he came because we now even have a good coach/manager since SAF left.
Ronaldo please leave now.
You must have hurt your back stretching that far!
Neh we all know Ronaldo was truly responsible for Greenwoods actions.
Feckin Souness
He can't believe this bit about the 'apology', can he?
There was nothing genuine about the I've been the bestest player ever for 20 years non-apology. It was a self-serving PR spiel. He really is just writing any old crap for clicks. As someone said earlier he'd be apoplectic if Pogba had done something similar a couple of seasons ago.
We’d have still been shite, we outperformed in getting 74 points so we’d have dropped out of the top 4 regardless.
Greenwood’s alleged abuse started long before Ronaldo came back, James was utter cack, does he even get a game for Leeds these days? Cavani clearly didn’t want to be at the club, obviously the Ronaldo thing exacerbated that but convincing him to stay proved to be a terrible idea. It’s why ETH knew exactly what he was doing when he turned his back on Rabiot, don’t have players at the club that don’t really fancy it.
Honestly, I don't care how hurt my back is when I am talking about my club. I am really pissed when someone tries to make a case for Ronaldo. We lack positive energy when he plays. Simple.
Football is a team sport, An 11 J.S.Park will beat an 11 Cristiano Ronaldo 10/10.
So one player cannot feel he is more important than the others. That is disrespectful and makes others feel less valued.
Your point about Greenwood is completely insane.
some shocking posts in this thread but that Greenwood talking point - fecking hell
Bad example. If all 11 players are Ronaldo, then he gets the glory no matter who scores. That'll be an amazingly selfless team.
Jonathan Liew’s piece on this in the Guardian is very good. I think we can have some compassion for Ronaldo, even if we also think he’s behaved like a petulant child.
We had 74 points and was more than 20 points behind first placed city. In that season, only Arsenal got 4 points from us among the top 6 teams. Then we made signings. The idea of making signings was to improve as a team. I have highlighted why we signed Sancho and Ronaldo. OLE is a counter attacking coach. Cavani, James are perfect for such a system so in that sense we were ok.
Greenwood accusations came when Ronaldo was already in the club.( This part was suppose to be a joke so won't say much here)
James was crap but he gives us something that we saw Fred do against Spurs. His speed and work rate was second to none in that squad. James was scrap but he plays in every big game we played that season and we won all these games. Like I said, football is a team sport, you will always need a balanced squad to suit how you want to play. During SAF reign, he had players like that to add energy to the team ( Nicky butt, John O'Shea, 3 lung park, Valencia, Phil Neville, Darren Fletcher etc) James may not be your best player but we needed his work rate.
The point is, Ronaldo came, OLE changed personnel and system. Some were not happy and the team was exposed. We then found out Maguire lacked pace, Bissaka can't cross, Pogba is lazy, macfred can't control games etc....it's all because OLE changed from his counter attack game to suit one man...Ronaldo.
I had a look at the statement made by Ronnie and had to chuckle about his use of "heat of the moment"
The definition is as follows:
'while temporarily angry, excited, or engrossed, and without stopping for thought'.
I cannot work out how while sitting on the bench and watching the game and being asked to prepare yourself to take part in that game fits that brief.
Ronnie speaks with forked tongue yet again.
The definition is as follows:
'while temporarily angry, excited, or engrossed, and without stopping for thought'.
I cannot work out how while sitting on the bench and watching the game and being asked to prepare yourself to take part in that game fits that brief.
Ronnie speaks with forked tongue yet again.
The counter attack game stopped working (against all but a handful of teams) long before we signed Ronaldo. Surely you can remember that?
ETH has handled the Ronaldo drama really well and has the team improving despite his diva antics. Considering one of the big question marks regarding ten Hag was how he would handle big egos I think we can say he's doing a fine job in that respect.
It's almost as if the last bit of season 20-21 has been wiped off people's minds, just because of we finished 2nd. The downwards slide had already begun by then.
The greenwood comment was just to crack us up but who knows! Before the allegations came, there was already a rivalry between Ronaldo and Greenwood. I won't speak more on it.
It was meant to be a joke. Ronaldo disrespected my manager and my club. I feel bad because this club have been there for him. I remembered when Madrid played against us at OT. He scored and Madrid progressed but we were clapping for him. That was love.
I remember I liked the performances of the start of last season before Ronaldo joined us.
Not perfect by any means - but still Bruno Fernándes being more selfish rather than bending to Ronaldo every chances he gets was a positive.
Not perfect by any means - but still Bruno Fernándes being more selfish rather than bending to Ronaldo every chances he gets was a positive.
I can't really remember but I know it was COVID era and I remembered we were great ( That Scotty goal against city is in my head) including playing in the finals of the Europa cup. We lost by penalties( Degea missed). We were not that bad. At least the players enjoyed playing with each other.
We were far from great. We were extremely inconsistent and at best playing well for one half while praying to gods that the opponent keep missing chances during the other.
We ended the season before Ronaldo came with the following 9 games:
2 draws
4 defeats (one on pens)
3 wins
The wheels had already come off. Ronaldo or no Ronaldo, Ole was getting sacked the following season, loads of us could see it coming. We were the shittest team in the 21st century to finish second, was absolutely bizarre.
You could even see with the start of this season before ETH got all his new players in, this squad and starting 11 even minus Ronaldo was in absolute freefall. It required another truck load of cash to ensure we could completely change the make up and attitude of the team in order to get us back to something resembling a top football team.
Ronaldo takes too much blame from some for Ole being utterly shite. He wasn’t the biggest problem last season, and this season he’s but a side note that will be gone in January with barely many appearances to his name.
Last season he was 3rd top scorer i think in the PL? I refuse to believe he lost all ability over the summer.
Hopefully we can reach an agreement to release him in January.
The one thing I liked about this season was that it showed that pretty much all our players aren't quitters, they would keep going even if the team was playing subpar Football every other games, a fair amount of games were won or drawn through sheer character. The following season they quickly lost confidence and it is easy to understand why.
We were cack under Ole the majority of his tenure and the sooner people accept that instead of making excuses and move the feck on, the better.
Thanks for articulating it well. I had typed out "Yes, we were not that bad, we were fecking awful."
It was a strange season, in the league half his goals were scored in 4 games. He was generally subpar.
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