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Ronaldo Messi Swap Deal... Would you have it?
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No chance. Offers less workrate, just strolls around and would be less effective than Ronaldo.
Struggling is an exaggeration. He scored 11 goals and got 14 assists in 34 games. 115 mins per goal contribution is pretty decent, considering he has Mbappe and also Neymar to be the main goal scorers.
Ronaldo just so happened to be the main goal scorer at United with everything bottle necked towards him. Ronaldo also went missing for large parts of last season.
Lets not pretend Ronaldo was anything special last season.
11 goals in France equates to about 3 in the PL
You‘re not telling me Messi was decent last season compared to Ronaldo who scored 20+ goals in a crap team.
Theres ‘going missing’ and there’s scoring 3 goals in 6 months in a farmers league. 6 league goals in total
No chance. Messi suits one very specific style of play that we don't have the players to implement, nor should we for a 35 year old. Whether you're a Ronaldo or a Messi fan, Ronaldo is undeniably the more versatile.
Could you elaborate on what this very specific style of play is?
One simple thing.
The Spain National team.
Do you remember how they were winning everything with ease just holding possession with their eyes closed? It wasn’t Xabi Alonso or Marcos Senna that were playing and was the main reason about this - it was players like Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets.
That Barcelona and in particular the clubs ability to utelise possession runs in their DNA of the club.
It’s why people can have conversations that Kroos, Modric and Scholes and who is better individually as players vs Xavi le iniesta - but to this day the Barcelona team is talked about the best team of all time because of the way they played their football with such a unique unbeatable style.
The Spanish national team showed that Messi wasn’t the must have reason about this - he was more the cherry on top of the brilliant cake.
I believe that cake has slowly deteriorated but exists still to this day in minor ways to the point it effects how Barcelona play their football from players like Busquets or even trying to constantly buy players like Frenkie De Jong 2 years ago.
If you think Messi could score 92 goals in the PL for United with players like Giggs and Scholes played in CM arguably playing at times counterattacking football than anything like possesionthen so be it.
I don’t.
A perfect possesion football team with all the possesion at a players feet has more ability to score 92 goals than a different tactic such as the perfect gegenpressing or counterattacking team of the world.
We are not changing our minds so just enjoy both players.
Abso-fecking-lately! Not that I want Ronaldo to leave but to have two of the greatest players of all time play for your club would be amazing.
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11 goals in France equates to about 3 in the PL
You‘re not telling me Messi was decent last season compared to Ronaldo who scored 20+ goals in a crap team.
Theres ‘going missing’ and there’s scoring 3 goals in 6 months in a farmers league. 6 league goals in total
Ronaldo got 24 goals and got 3 assists in 38 games, which is a goal contribution every 1.4 games, where as Messi had a goal contribution every 1.36 games.
But did you just ignore what I said? Messi may have scored 6 goals in 26 league games but he also got 14 assists, 20 goal contributions in 26 games is not as bad as you're making out, especially when he is more of a creator for PSG with M'bappe being the main goal scorer.
Ronaldo was the main goal scorer for United rather than a creator hence he scored 18 league goals but only got 3 assists.
Ronaldo 18 goals in 30 league games vs Messi 6 goals in 24 league games.
Ronaldo 3 assists in 30 league games vs Messi 14 assists in 24 league games.
Ronaldo was the better player last season in my opinion by the way, but barely by much.
Would never happen and I'm a Ronaldo Fanboy but yes I'd take it..... Purely to say we had Ronaldo AND Messi play for us and to see the unveiling etc.
Messi over rated
Then I noticed the poster....makes sense.
It's a joke. Ronaldo hasn't played in 5 leagues.
Messi played for the best team in a crap league, he should have had 30 goals last season. They had the league won by December and at that point Messi was being meme’d for scoring about 2 goals.
The debate from 2010 onwards could go either way but there’s no chance I’m taking Messi from last season over Ronaldo.
They had 26 wins compared to our 16 and almost doubled our goals scored….yet Messi was massively underwhelming.
you couldnt really say no
Messi wouldnt suit a pressing team but you'd have to accept him and get runners/workers around him
Last year PSG were the laziest frontline I've seen. Did absolutely nothing out of possession
Messi wouldnt suit a pressing team but you'd have to accept him and get runners/workers around him
Last year PSG were the laziest frontline I've seen. Did absolutely nothing out of possession
One that requires about 90% possession with world class players in virtually every position.
You obviously didn’t watch Barca under Valverde then.
But it doesn't always work like that. Ronaldo was the main striker where everything was oriented for him to get the goals. Messi didn't have that because M'bappe is there to score the goals.
Shearer was not the best striker in the PL for the most part but he scored more goals than players at bigger and better clubs because the team was set up for him to score nearly all the goals.
Messi was underwhelming but so was Ronaldo. He scored 18 league goals in 30 games and 6 of them came in 4 games against Norwich, Burnley and Brighton. That leaves 14 goals in 26 games. There was a period where Ronaldo scored 1 goal in 8 games. He was pretty poor for the most part regardless of getting goals.
Pepe destroyed the Ligue 1 compared to Messi.
yet when Ronaldo has a 20 season in the PL then people try to write that off. Pepe showed what Ligue 1 needed v the PL.
Ronaldo has never failed a season. Never.
yet when Ronaldo has a 20 season in the PL then people try to write that off. Pepe showed what Ligue 1 needed v the PL.
Ronaldo has never failed a season. Never.
well he joined a team which just finished 2nd and finished 6th
Yeah I always watched players like Rakitic, Busquets and Suarez and thought however did they win anything.
So you’re moving the goalposts. Nice.
Two negatives makes a positive.
Messi always played with the greatest!!!! Thats the Ronaldo´s fans argument.
Romero; Garay, Zabaleta, Biglia, Pérez, Higuaín, Messi, Mascherano, Demichelis, Rojo, Lavezzi
With this team Messi reached the WC final in 2014.
The greatest
Romero; Garay, Zabaleta, Biglia, Pérez, Higuaín, Messi, Mascherano, Demichelis, Rojo, Lavezzi
With this team Messi reached the WC final in 2014.
The greatest
Valverde got executed by Barca media for playing with 46% possesion And not playing in the “Barcelona way”.
I can’t believe people think that this “way”never existed and ultimately having a midfield of Busquets and iniesta with 46% minimum possesion is the same as playing in a park the bus tactic like Jose Mourinho.
And not playing in the “Barcelona way”. I can’t believe people think that this “way”never existed and ultimately having a midfield of Busquets and iniesta with 46% minimum possesion is the same as playing in a park the bus tactic like Jose Mourinho.
No not the greatest - he played in a team that had a clear “Barcelona way”.
This Barcelona way got perfected to the point when Spain became a national footballing monster like they hadn’t been before.
Messi just reaped the benefits of being the most technical gifted player sitting on the most perfect possesion based players, managers and tactics through a decade.
No - neither of them should be here at this stage of their careers.
I hope Ronaldo's humiliating merry go-round of refusals by all serious teams has been a normative experience for our own board of how sensible teams operate.
I hope Ronaldo's humiliating merry go-round of refusals by all serious teams has been a normative experience for our own board of how sensible teams operate.
Yeah he's been a huge hit at PSG.
Did you ever watched that Argentina NT play? No way near the Barcelona´s style of play, yet he managed to be the best again.
No. We have too many 10s
No ... unlike Ronaldo who has proven he can do it across leagues, Messi is a bigger risk. In a 4-2-3-1 formation:
As a striker, Ronaldo's lack of pressing can be covered by an attacking 3+midfield 2+ Back 5.
As a false 9, Messi's lack of pressing can only be covered by a midfield 2+ Back 5. This 30% less coverage which will get punished.
As unfair as it seems, United are better off motivating an angry, vengeful Ronaldo to destroy the league and show everyone what they missed out on. Realistically United should be able to compete with Liverpool (loss of motivation), Chelsea (decline in midfield, poor strikers), Tottenham (on the upswing but still need to produce) and Arsenal (good signings) for 2-4 position in the league. Squad is also sufficient to go deep in Europa and FA cups.
As a striker, Ronaldo's lack of pressing can be covered by an attacking 3+midfield 2+ Back 5.
As a false 9, Messi's lack of pressing can only be covered by a midfield 2+ Back 5. This 30% less coverage which will get punished.
As unfair as it seems, United are better off motivating an angry, vengeful Ronaldo to destroy the league and show everyone what they missed out on. Realistically United should be able to compete with Liverpool (loss of motivation), Chelsea (decline in midfield, poor strikers), Tottenham (on the upswing but still need to produce) and Arsenal (good signings) for 2-4 position in the league. Squad is also sufficient to go deep in Europa and FA cups.
Not true ... Argentina played nothing like Barcelona. Their style was a balanced "Manuel Pelligrini" style of play. They were a decent bunch of players who played without fear, centered their strategy around Messi but ultimately it was not enough because they had a soft under-belly in CM (excl Masch) & CB.
Having said that, in a peer group of Pele & Maradona, not winning the WC will always count against LM10 & CR7.
Messi was the perfect player for a very specific style of play. We don't play anywhere near that style, and at 35 he's not going to be fitting in any other way.
Unless he was willing to change his ways and work hard in a ETH system, then no.
Only for the novelty of Messi playing for Man united and the romantic aspect
Otherwise I don't want to imagine Messi who has struggled in Uber eats league playing in the premier league.
Otherwise I don't want to imagine Messi who has struggled in Uber eats league playing in the premier league.
Half the posters on this forum seem to have decided Ronaldo is a disaster despite being 3rd highest league scorer, and bagging 24 goals.
Now imagine then wanting to swap him for a Messi who had a near disaster season in a weaker league, and imagine him coming into the premier league for the first time.
Now imagine then wanting to swap him for a Messi who had a near disaster season in a weaker league, and imagine him coming into the premier league for the first time.
Messi would drop deep and set up our pacey players up top for far better figures. He wouldn't score as many as Ronaldo, but the team would score 15+.
I would swap my Mrs. for Scarlett Johansen but that ain't happening either.
11 goals in France equates to about 3 in the PL
You‘re not telling me Messi was decent last season compared to Ronaldo who scored 20+ goals in a crap team.
Theres ‘going missing’ and there’s scoring 3 goals in 6 months in a farmers league. 6 league goals in total
You're being fooled by the goal numbers. Messi is more of a team player and therefore he would probably make the team better. No way of knowing for sure becauae he'd never go there, but that's what I suspect.
Last season he played 5 less games and still had triple the dribbles, double the key passes, created three times as many chances and delivered 5 times the number of assists. PSG scored more league goals than in the previous season. United scored way less, for all Ronaldo's goal efforts. At the very least, he wouldn't come in and start demanding the armband and particular shirt numbers etc.
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