We dropped points in every other game, if not nearly all league games he started. We might have been even higher. To think he left a team currently 3rd to go play in Saudi arabia. Ronaldo screwed up and that's our good fortune
Ronaldo leaving was the catalyst
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Discrediting Ten Hag and a lot of our players by trying to say this is all to do with Ronaldo. We've looked consistently good and like a team since the first city game and even in the few games before it, and that was with Ronaldo.
The catalyst is having a manager who knows what he's doing and signing players who work hard and have actually hugely improved the team
The catalyst is having a manager who knows what he's doing and signing players who work hard and have actually hugely improved the team
Its a shame Ronaldos massive ego blinded him to the possibilities of what was ahead. If he had been a team player he would most likely find himself in the Champions League next season, instead he is in the footballing equivalent of nowhere
It started before him I'd even say. The team understanding the kinda manager ETH is the big difference. Everyone can get a chance to play. AWB who was dead and buried, who saw Lindelof play ahead of him, now is playing significant minutes (helped by Dalot injuries for sure). Slowly and steadily ETH has made this team his own team. Make no mistake, this is mainly about ETH
I think he'd get the title aswell. I'm sure he's going to claim it's because of him, which it sort of is - if it had happened.
If he was playing Bruno willl always pass to him. Thats enough to make us lose
These is getting tiresome now. Just give credit to ETH.
The Ronaldo move was the feathered cap on the dumb transfers Utd have made in the last 10 years. Should never have come back, all that occurred was predictable.
False equivalence. The two issues aren't competing exclusively for the same patch of credit.
Ronaldo joining was also the catalyst to our decline. One of the worst signings in the history of the club.
Ronaldo walked so we could run
If on the slight hope that we overtake Arsenal by the end of the season, it may possibly be up there as one of the funniest moments in recent times.
It was great for all who care about United, but I wouldn't call it a "catalyst". That doesn't seem like the most appropriate term.
Piers may regret the interview if Arsenal lose the league
Getting Ten Hag as manager was the catalyst, everything else flowed from that.
And Luke Shaw
Loads of us had major concerns but we hoped we were wrong.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cristiano-ronaldo-man-utd-player.465028/post-27697971
That thread is a symphony of stupidity in retrospect.
Everyone knew he was a cnut but we've been playing well for a while now. Ronaldo was an unnecessary distraction and a detriment to the team when he stepped on the pitch though.
Thank you, thank you.
Genuinely does seem to be that way.
Reminds me of school a bit. We chose hockey for PE and the star player was seen as the best so everyone passed to her and sometimes she scored.
She was as off for a few weeks with illness or something and we played ten times better as a team without her there. Players who would never shoot (including me) would do so and score and we were so much better overall.
When she returned everyone returned to trying to make her score.
Okay high school hockey isn't premier League football but it's the same principle surely
Reminds me of school a bit. We chose hockey for PE and the star player was seen as the best so everyone passed to her and sometimes she scored.
She was as off for a few weeks with illness or something and we played ten times better as a team without her there. Players who would never shoot (including me) would do so and score and we were so much better overall.
When she returned everyone returned to trying to make her score.
Okay high school hockey isn't premier League football but it's the same principle surely
Without doubt.
Anyone watched United knew we did worse with Ronaldo in the team
Anyone watched United knew we did worse with Ronaldo in the team
I’m actually awaiting his worshippers to come out with some tripe about him sacrificing himself for the good of United. They’re a special breed.
Exactly! I've been thinking this for ages but I didnt even want to bring up Ronaldo again
It is indeed
Getting rid of him has certainly helped though i can't shake the feeling that it absolves some people of their part in what was a horrific season last year.
He's the past, let's focus on the future. EtH has transformed this club.
He's the past, let's focus on the future. EtH has transformed this club.
Ronaldo...
I said that back in December '21, and I think a lot of people felt the same way but there was a lot of pushback towards that kind of thinking. He actually went on a great run after that post iirc, but I'm not surprised to see the team doing well without him (obviously one factor of many)
I think your manager deserves a lot of credit for how he handled the entire situation. Could have been a massive headache but he dealt with it masterfully. Really clever off the pitch management.
There was always talk about how we had a likeable team finally and everyone was playing for each other even if we were not at an elite level the season before Ronaldo joined. If you consider the fact that our most important player in Bruno all the sudden is taken down a peg by a player because of his status rather than current football ability, that has a massive impact on team morale and cohesion. The attitude goes from what do I do that is best for the team to what do I do to keep Ronaldo happy. Everyone so blatantly deferred to him because of his status, and he didn't have the football ability to back that up anymore.
Everyone who has played knows what it is like to have one player who is the focus of the team. When they are good, things are fine, but if they have a bad game or especially a bad attitude, it impacts everyone. If Rashford or Fred has a bad game, other players can get on their back and push them on. No one had the status to tell Ronaldo what to do so there is just an awkward cloud hanging over everything when things don't go his way even when it was for the better of the team.
That is also true.
I'm not convinced. It surely helps but to say it's a catalyst places less importance on what ETH was doing from the moment we lost the opening fixtures.
I think we have had steady improvement even when Ronaldo was here. I wouldn't give the manchild that much significance in the whole thing compared to the manager's tactics, discipline, culture. Ronaldo is really just one solitary piece of sorting that culture.
I think we have had steady improvement even when Ronaldo was here. I wouldn't give the manchild that much significance in the whole thing compared to the manager's tactics, discipline, culture. Ronaldo is really just one solitary piece of sorting that culture.
If we didn’t sign Ronaldo, Ole would still be here.
Ronaldo legend sacrificing himself for the team.
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I don’t respect the manager.
Signing Wout was the catalyst.
100% win ratio since Wout joined, that's something.
The Liverpool match was the beginning. Players who didn't work hard for the team got dropped. A few players were fortunate to retain their place in the team after the Brentford defeat but still the message was clear. We played like a team during the Liverpool, Southampton, Leicester, Arsenal run of games, though Ronaldo made some selfish choices when he came on as a sub.
Since then, the PL games we haven't won have typically been either Ronaldo starting (Newcastle home), or unwise team selections (Man City away), or both (Villa away). Chelsea away being the exception.
Since then, the PL games we haven't won have typically been either Ronaldo starting (Newcastle home), or unwise team selections (Man City away), or both (Villa away). Chelsea away being the exception.
No. ETH joining was. Stop making things about Ronaldo. His second stint here was a fart in the wind.
Didn't we come in 2nd in the league before CR7 came?
Not sure if that is because of Wout... could also be the Butland effect