I'm using Mainoo as a comparative to show how presumptuous you are
You said Lavia has world class talent - what does that even mean? SO many players have that at teenage years. A small fraction actually fulfil it.
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You said Lavia has world class talent - what does that even mean? SO many players have that at teenage years. A small fraction actually fulfil it.
There aren’t many 19 year old dm’s at his level. To stand out the way he did last season he’s easily got the potential to be up there with the best so yeah I’d say it’s world class talent
They all peaked together in that two year period and the league is stronger now.
Without wishing to get involved in the tedium of discussing how many times I've watched a player play, Lavia is definitely being overrated in some of these posts. He's a good midfielder who has been playing at an impressive level for a teenager, any notion of him being or becoming world class is extremely premature.
I'm using Mainoo as a comparative to show how presumptuous you are
You said Lavia has world class talent - what does that even mean? SO many players have that at teenage years. A small fraction actually fulfil it.
Yeah but he’s proving that talent that’s my point. He’s playing regular PL football, he’s being chased by some massive clubs.
He’s not a young player who’s shown flashes in pre season. He will be a starter at Liverpool next season, a 50m player at 19 years old.
Let’s revisit this chat next summer when Lavia is a 100m rated player after smashing it at Liverpool and Amrobat has made 16 PL appearances and a couple of League Cup games
Just like we had massively talented youngsters before. Like Iqbal. Like Perreira. Like Pellistri. Last year we were talking about Savage, Levitt and Galbraith having a decent pre season. There aren't many players who can bring their promises into 1st team because it is pretty difficult. Those are players who mostly looked great when going up against other young players but didn't get through when playing at the top level. Noboby is asking for Lavia to replace Mainoo, but Mainoo doesn't seem to be a DM in the purest sense of the word. At this point, we have exactly one midfielder, who can be considered better than average in terms of defensive contributions. And that is Casemiro. Once he is injured or suspended, we have no replacement at all. We have to bring in somebody - best case scenario somebody who we have trust in to be a potential replacement for Casemiro further down the road. Amrabat is a good player. But he isn't a DM, just have a look at this defensive numbers on fbref. We went for Mount, the progressor in midfield is ticked off - had he not moved to us, going for Amrabat would be a smart move. With him in the squad, not so much.
He just isn't a DM. And his worldcup actions happened in a pretty defensive setup, can't really expect him to take this level of defensive output into our environment. Lavia for 40 would be a pretty smart buy. Lavia for 50 is starting to get a bit itchy. We can't ignore our squad composition in terms of age. Bringing in Amrabat in 27 will only add another player who probably will need an upgrade or replacement in 2-4 years without any resale value. If we wouldn't have so many such players already, it would be a different story but we are only running towards the cliff if we have to replace half the team in 4 years. (Plus I think, paying 30 for Amrabat isn't such a great deal as well)
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He was good but he wasn't THAT good. I remember people speaking about Hamzah Choudrey at Leicester after a handful of games. Don't get me wrong, I think Lavia is talented, but he has clear deficiencies to his game, he hasn't shown world class level sort of potential like a Caceido has
I dont know man,
I think Klopps a legendary manager but it wouldnt surprise me if his football takes its toll on players especially prime/experienced players (gegenpress)& therefore needs resurfacing with new players regularly.
This makes him change players that other clubs wouldnt & makes him a bit of a short term but instant manager - even arguably the worlds best one.
Im not sure every world class manager is exactly long term either; Conte, Mourinho etc even if it does include personality problems more.
Thanks.Nice unsubtle brag there!
Sounds like you'd be quite the efficient scout. Don't even need to watch the games. Have you flying around Europe watching as many warm ups as possible
No idea how you could watch Lavia and think he's a world class talent. He looks a good young player to me but nothing special and currently has a lot of flaws in his game. He's a huge gamble at the price Southampton want for him and I question if it's a gamble Liverpool can afford to make with their midfield going through transition. He will be expected to perform as a starter pretty much straight away.
Right, let's. You've basically punted Latvia will be worth 100m in one season which says everything. You're extremely knee jerk.
That way around makes more sense for both parties. Pool need a more experienced replacement for Fabinho and Hendo, whereas we need our next Casemiro.
Nothing salty about a sick burn.Great to see that yous are still salty about it
I find the small time obsession over one result amusing. Hope you give yourselves a trophy for it given how little you’ve won over the last 30 years.
"Sick burn"
It was 7-0 mate, not just your regular "one result". If it was the other way around it would be just the same reaction from your side, you don't need to pretend you're better than anyone else as a Utd fan.
So we need a kid to be our next Casemiro, whilst Liverpool need a more experienced player to be their next Fabinho? Odd.
As much as Ilke the idea of getting good quality young players we will be taking a gamble this season with Mainoo(who I think will be great) and possibly Gore. Given that Casemiro will be suspended a few times and Erikson is getting slower, if we go for midfielder an experienced one for a reasonable price wouldbe my prefernce. Amrabat fits the bill.
Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo
He’s world class because we’re not signing him and he’s going to a rival.
That’s what happens to class prospects look at Caicedo. It’s anything but knee jerk if he’s 50m now then a good season at Liverpool will see his price sky rocket.
Will be poking you all season for your opinion on the 2.
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I think he has. Brighton are a good team that play nice football Lavia was playing for one of the worst sides in the league and at 19 looked easily their best player.
Both top players mind and Caicedo is a few years older. Gutted we didn’t sign him a few years ago when he was linked.
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Lavia isn't the level of Caceido. Christ the shite you've come out with today
And there's loads of players with big potential who don't make it. You can't cherry pick examples to shit a narrative.
Your sarcasmeter broken today or are you whinging for the sake of it? Lighten up
Lavia isn't the level of Caceido. Christ the shite you've come out with today
And there's loads of players with big potential who don't make it. You can't cherry pick examples to shit a narrative.
Lavia is ahead of Caceido at his age. Caicedo was in Ecuador and moved for 3M to Brighton. Lavia has been at City and soon Liverpool and will cost 50m.
Mate read your posts back. You started moaning because I hadn’t watched 40 Amrobat games then came at me about Mainoo after 3 friendlies. Your whole point as been that Amrobat will be a better signing and you’re trying to take the high road? you come across as fecking clueless.
Laughable that you actually think you’re making a point. Let’s drop this bullshit conversation and I’m going to quote your stupid fecking posts throughout the season comparing Amrobat and Lavia. Something tells me you have a hard time admitting you’re wrong though.
He's a very good player and one I thought the club would move for in the event of gradually replacing Casemiro and being able to rotate with him.
Amrabat raises the level of depth but I don't see him displacing one of the current midfielders for the first team he's a player to have in and around the squad. The issue is if Casemiro is unavailable the midfield will regress to Solskjaer / Ragnick levels so by way of influence I think its more plausible to pay the extra 20M and get Lavia. Proven himself in the league last year and 50M is good value. Caicedo is the better player but that's not reflective in being double the value of Lavia.
Amrabat raises the level of depth but I don't see him displacing one of the current midfielders for the first team he's a player to have in and around the squad. The issue is if Casemiro is unavailable the midfield will regress to Solskjaer / Ragnick levels so by way of influence I think its more plausible to pay the extra 20M and get Lavia. Proven himself in the league last year and 50M is good value. Caicedo is the better player but that's not reflective in being double the value of Lavia.
I think he's class but TBF I'm ok with missing out. Situationally it's not the right time for us to get him, and we have Kobbie. Could be a class pairing between the two of them but it is what it is. We don't have the funds for it right now.
Seems like Liverpool are most likely. Not sure he's quite the DM they need but we'll see.
Seems like Liverpool are most likely. Not sure he's quite the DM they need but we'll see.
Players dont grow linearly over their career. You are so obsessed with age and you have no fecking idea what you're on about.
You're comparing Lavia now to Caceido now, then you change your narrative and try to say that he is better than Caceido was at the same age.
Try not to move goalposts, and don't make shit up. I read my own posts, I never implied you have to watch 40 games of Amrabat. Just know more than a handful.
Also I've watched Mainoo beyond the friendlies, and I pointed to him to show hes as much of a project AT HIS AGE as Lavia, since you were only referring to world class potential. Nothing encompassed.
Honestly you're having a proper whine at us not going for Lavia and you are making the most daft reasons for it. For what our squad needs, Amrabat is the play.
I don't see any reason to invest relatively decent money into this guy with Mainoo coming through that can play the exact same role. Not to put too much pressure on Mainoo, but there really isn't - he's got many experienced mids in front of him. But if we're talking about an understudy type role within the squad then why would we look over our own to buy another one in? Just invest in the talent we produce, that's what it is there for.
For me it makes less sense than Amrabat because with that one we're saying we want to clear our mid decks a little bit and buy in an experienced deep lying player. This one is different. Lavia isn't fully ready, he needs moulding but we have our own talent to do that with.
For me it makes less sense than Amrabat because with that one we're saying we want to clear our mid decks a little bit and buy in an experienced deep lying player. This one is different. Lavia isn't fully ready, he needs moulding but we have our own talent to do that with.
Can’t have a team full of wonderkids, I don’t see how you bring through a Mainoo with a Lavia currently.
This isn’t FM, & Lavia isn’t such a standout that people should be crying over him. We move.
This isn’t FM, & Lavia isn’t such a standout that people should be crying over him. We move.
Lavia isn’t a logical signing, so us not signing him you know is actually a wise decision. Some people just love to complain.
Why are people suddenly hyping up Mainoo after two friendlies where the primary aim is for the older players to build fitness?
Guy hasn't even played for us properly, the PL and CL are a world apart. People do this every year, friendless mean absolutely nothing.
On Lavia, he looks like a great talent. McAlister, Szoboszlai and Lavia is hell of a midfield upgrade for Liverpool this summer.
Guy hasn't even played for us properly, the PL and CL are a world apart. People do this every year, friendless mean absolutely nothing.
On Lavia, he looks like a great talent. McAlister, Szoboszlai and Lavia is hell of a midfield upgrade for Liverpool this summer.
So I take it you've watched more than 10 full games of both Brighton and Soton last season? You must have a lot of time on your hands.Lavia isn't the level of Caceido. Christ the shite you've come out with today
I don't think it's hype. If ETH makes the moves he appears to want this summer he'd be what...6th choice midfielder? It's not a big expectation. That's what the academy is there for. Ultimately to produce players but to produce players they do at some stage need a role within the squad and some trust. Sixth choice is a role that doesn't carry much of a burden with it, he may hardly play...or he might if he's good enough. That's exactly the position he needs, the incentive that he can play but not too much placed on him too soon.
Lavia's fine and dandy if the money is there but it doesn't seem to be this summer. We are going to struggle to get everything over the line with a striker and shell out on Lavia. I think it's correct to wonder about the wisdom of signing a young player with one decent season behind him for a non priority position when we have an upcoming talent ourselves (and no I don't think it suggests Lavia's potential world class because he stood out in a relegated team - I think I'd want to see a bit more than that before such a declaration)
I watch most of the highlight videos and I've followed Caceido in particular quite heavily. Southampton and Brighton re. Full games, I saw a lot off whenever they'd play any top 6 side.
So yeah I've seen a fair bit.
The crucial (and what I thought was a pretty obvious) difference being that Liverpool are losing both Fabinho and Henderson - losing a significant amount experience in a vital area of the pitch. So yes, to replace them with a more experienced DM/DLP would make more sense than relying on a 19 year old with 1 professional season under his belt (which resulted in a relegation), especially given Liverpool are targeting titles again this year.
Utd on the other hand still have Casemiro, a top 3 DM in the world, and will do I expect for the next 2-3 years whilst that “kid” can grow to be his successor and get enough experience before becoming the starting DM at the biggest club in the country.
Care to explain what’s “odd” about what I said then?
Fair enough, certainly more entitled than me to have an opinion on them then
Lavia has looked class and a few levels above Witsel (not saying much these days) whenever he's played for Belgium, those are the only games I've seen of him so far apart from some YouTube compilations.
They might think he is quite good. Quite good to the point that buying another 19 year old midfielder for a huge sum might not be the best use of limited resources.
How isn't Lavia a logical signing? But Amaranat is? In my opinion we have nobody other than Casemiro that can hold that midfield. Lavia fits that mould of player I think. Amarabat, Mainoo, McTominay and Fred either don't have the nous or aren't ready for that role. I'm not sure that is even the type of player he will become.
I agree, I think Lavia is maybe a step too far this summer. but if we got a move on and we’re able to shift Fred, McT, Maguire, Martial and Hendo then surely we could squeeze an extra £20m and get Lavia instead of Amrabat. I expect though, the above sales will take another 2 weeks at least and by then Lavia will already have moved on.
Lavia wouldn't be able to hold the midfield with Mount and Bruno partnered with him. He's not close to that level yet.