Romelu Lukaku

Just strikes me as a big fish in a small pond. Can't shake the feeling he'll get a big move and be a disappointment. Very physical and scores goals though, so I could be chatting shite, who knows.
 
He has far less games now where he is poor. His touch has improved immensely from when he first came, and although at times it can be poor he's still a very good player. The best comparison i can make ability wise (Obviously they have different core attributes) is Rooney. Purely because Rooney has also had a career where he'll have patches of brilliance followed by one or two naff games and then more patches of brilliance.
 
Out of interest, how many games has he scored in this season?
 
If we started the season with Lukaku i'd bet a lot of money that we'd be sat in the top 4 now. He is a one man counter attack at times and creates a lot of his own chances aswell as chances for his teammates. He's pl top scorer right now with nowhere near the service Ibra has gotten here. His first touch and passing have also developed a huge ammount this season and he is becoming a very complete striker.
I've been hearing that his first touch has improved for all of the past 6 years he has been called a future world class striker. Appearantly it comes and it goes, that shouldn't be surprising because the first touch is a matter of form for those players who haven't got a great one. It's probably the least trainable part of football because it requires mostly natural talent.

I'd bet a fair bit that Lukaku will slot into a top 4 team and be regarded as the best striker in the league within a couple of years. Ibras decline is clear to see and he takes away a lot from the fluidity of our attack and our ability to hit teams on the break, both in my opinion more important then having a consistantly pretty first touch.
If it's in a counter attacking side the first touch matters less, and he's quick and strong and has good awareness in front of goal. I believe he could be an important player for a side better than Everton, and in his prime he might do well for a club that challenges for the title, but I don't think he could be at the level that United should be aiming for. If you want to challenge for the title every year you've got to beat a lot of parked buses so you'll need forwards that are good in tight spaces and have the first touch to play one touch. So I don't think he's that far off, but that doesn't mean he will get there. He's young but experienced, he's probably in his prime already. It's not the first player who's potential got overrated because he had a man's body and a man's strength at a boy's age.

I don't believe Zlatan gets the credit he deserves because a lot of the supporters don't want to face the fact that United doesn't create enough good chances when they need a goal and the oppostion doesn't, counter attacking is a different matter. There's a lack of fluidity but that's not down to Zlatan and will certainly not get any better with Lukaku instead of him. The problem is that he's the only one what that regularly accellarates the game with flicks or 2 quick touches that open up spaces.
 
I remember seeing Lukaku have a completely anonymous game up against Paddy McNair

This is the same guy who I also remember destroying Vidic for power and pace in a game

Therein lies the problem....he's wildly inconsistent and he needs to be 'in the mood'

Not really convinced by him from a technical point of view either
 
Costa doesn't like playing for Chelsea though, he wants out.
Doesn't look like it when he's on the field. Didn't he make some interesting gestures after scoring goals? He's giving his all on the pitch and to me, he looks happy.

Last season something was clearly off, but i think now under Conte it's all good.
 
Doesn't look like it when he's on the field. Didn't he make some interesting gestures after scoring goals? He's giving his all on the pitch and to me, he looks happy.

Last season something was clearly off, but i think now under Conte it's all good.

You must have missed the drama in the Jan window?
 
He has far less games now where he is poor. His touch has improved immensely from when he first came, and although at times it can be poor he's still a very good player. The best comparison i can make ability wise (Obviously they have different core attributes) is Rooney. Purely because Rooney has also had a career where he'll have patches of brilliance followed by one or two naff games and then more patches of brilliance.

Young Rooney could mask those bad games with a shit load of running for the team and get the crowd on his side. How's lukaku with his defensive contribution?
 
10 / 23 in the PL.

125 minutes per goal. Costa is on 130. Kane 117. Ibrahimovic 141.

Interesting. The stats that really intrigue me is how many games a player scores goals in. I remember Berbatov finished top scorer one season but only had scored in 8 games or something.
 
Young Rooney could mask those bad games with a shit load of running for the team and get the crowd on his side. How's lukaku with his defensive contrib

Average, but Koeman affords him that luxury because of his other attributes. If he doesn't score in a game he's more than likely to have had a hand in the goals we have scored (Not talking about direct assists but in general play). He can also afford to have Lukaku not being as defensive as he demands it from his midfielders which is why Barkley didn't have an easy ride at the start.
 
You must have missed the drama in the Jan window?
I think the amount of money hit him by surprise and he was caught between two stools, so Conte decided to drop him to get his head straight. I guess that's natural, happens to other players or professions too, doesn't mean that Costa really wanted out, just needed some personal time to get over his indecisiveness and finally make a decision. Someone like Payet wanted out badly, Costa's up for debate, IMO. As aformentioned, the way he's been playing and acting doesn't make me thinking that Costa's unhappy.
 
Interesting. The stats that really intrigue me is how many games a player scores goals in. I remember Berbatov finished top scorer one season but only had scored in 8 games or something.
Costa is your man then:

Costa 14 / 22 - scores in 64% of games.
Zlatan 12 / 23 - 52%
Kane 9 / 19 - 47%
Defoe 11 / 24 - 46%
Lukaku 10 / 23 - 44%
Sanchez 10 / 24 - 42%
 
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I remember seeing Lukaku have a completely anonymous game up against Paddy McNair

This is the same guy who I also remember destroying Vidic for power and pace in a game

Therein lies the problem....he's wildly inconsistent and he needs to be 'in the mood'

Not really convinced by him from a technical point of view either

Agreed
 
Top player. One of the most clinical forwards in football. Needs a move to take his game to the next level now.
 
I don't get Lukaku. His goalscoring stats speak for themselves but whenever I watch him I'm shocked by how shit his overall play is. He does get the job done though.
 
In the right place at the right time with his head a lot this season. I get the feeling that he's the striker that Mourinho will want to blow silly money on rather than Griezmann
 
In the right place at the right time with his head a lot this season. I get the feeling that he's the striker that Mourinho will want to blow silly money on rather than Griezmann
i don't think Lukaku has the all around game thst Mourinho needs from a striker. He's arguably the best finisher in the league but he doesn't press particularly well and if his service gets cut off he doesn't often create something out of nothing.
 
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Top player. One of the most clinical forwards in football. Needs a move to take his game to the next level now.
He doesn't, just needs Everton to recruit players that will help him be dominant. I don't think Everton appreciate just how dominant he could be if he had the right players besides him who give him the best platform to perform.
 
i don't think Lukaku has the all around game thst Mourinho needs from a striker. He's arguably the best finisher in the league but he doesn't press particularly well and ifbhis service gets cut off he doesn't often create something out of nothing.

I think Mourinho will want power. His teams always seemed to have powerful strong players.
 
Just the 19 non-penalty goals this season. Will be gutted if anyone else wins the Golden Boot.
 
Just the 19 non-penalty goals this season. Will be gutted if anyone else wins the Golden Boot.
Belotti, Messi scored more in less games so far. Unlikely he'll outscore them
 
Was class today in the first half. Showed what he brought to Everton when he's not putting them away. Obviously got one for himself in the second half. Great player.
 
I remember seeing Lukaku have a completely anonymous game up against Paddy McNair

This is the same guy who I also remember destroying Vidic for power and pace in a game

Therein lies the problem....he's wildly inconsistent and he needs to be 'in the mood'

Not really convinced by him from a technical point of view either

He's 23. When playing against McNair he was 21. Are we really going to start throwing about accusations of wild inconsistency? Seems to undermine the critical assumption that players need time to develop, and that consistency is the number one factor that improves with age.

While I agree he is no Berbatov in terms of technique, I think his technical deficiencies are somewhat overstated, and more a product of perceptions over his size and - dare I say it - race. I am not saying that is what you've done. Not at all. I just think due to perceptions over his natural athleticism, too much scrutiny is applied to every bad touch he makes - whereas i see multiple instances of excellent ball control and touch that go unmentioned.

This guy is tearing up the premier league at 23, in an average team. Not for the first time. He's moving to a big club, and he is going to absolutely boss it when he does. I'd have him at United in a heart beat and in today's market I'd happily pay 50M for him.
 
He's 23. When playing against McNair he was 21. Are we really going to start throwing about accusations of wild inconsistency? Seems to undermine the critical assumption that players need time to develop, and that consistency is the number one factor that improves with age.

While I agree he is no Berbatov in terms of technique, I think his technical deficiencies are somewhat overstated, and more a product of perceptions over his size and - dare I say it - race. I am not saying that is what you've done. Not at all. I just think due to perceptions over his natural athleticism, too much scrutiny is applied to every bad touch he makes - whereas i see multiple instances of excellent ball control and touch that go unmentioned.

This guy is tearing up the premier league at 23, in an average team. Not for the first time. He's moving to a big club, and he is going to absolutely boss it when he does. I'd have him at United in a heart beat and in today's market I'd happily pay 50M for him.
This. Spot on
 
The underrating of Lukaku on here is nothing short of insanity. You would swear he's fecking Ade Akinbiyi the way some carry on.