Drogba revealed himself to the world at Marseille when he was 23 years old.Lukaku still got plenty of time
Romelu Lukaku
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well based on his first season in England he is one of the biggest wastes of money ever, I doubt there are many players who cost that much and featured so little - the same cannot be said of Nani, Evra or Vidic after 1 year in England, they all played regularly so I have no idea why you would even compare them.
Anyway seems Lukaku blames AVB, lets see what he can do next season:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/24/romelu-lukaku-determined-chelsea?newsfeed=true
Just found out players that looked far from good in their first season. But you're right, they played more games.
Anyway, we'll see what happens. I have a feeling he'll come good in the future. If not then Chelsea have once again overspent, it's their style after all
Actually, he was already 25 when he moved to Marceille but your point stands.
Lukaku is too young to be passed judgment on, he's certainly talented and will need time to develop.
How can you call a player a waste of money when he was never given a chance?
It's just as ridiculous as calling a 19 beast of a striker a flop
I don't think Jones would have featured as much as he did this season if not for injury to other players which allowed him to start so much. Would he also be a waste of money?
He had Torres and Drogba ahead of him in a formation that only really utilises one striker so he was never going to get loads of chances anyway.
Plus he would have surely went out on loan if he was able to do so, but the fact he played for 2 clubs didn't allow that. I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to loan him this season.
He's still very young and has time on his side but the fact that he barely played last season raises an obvious question - why did they buy him now? He's a Chelsea fan and had his mind set on a move for a while so he'd have waited a couple more years while playing regular football for Anderlecht and Belgium which he would've benefited from far more than from playing for Chelsea reserves.
If Jones only played a handful of games this season then yes it would have been a waste of money - we are not talking about a £6/7m punt for the future, we are talking about players costing £15m/£20m here - you dont pay that kind of money unless you expect them to feature regularly.
Anyway I'm not writting him off and he has plenty of time to sort it out, but I challenge anyone to come up with a player who cost this much and played as little as Lukaku did in his first season (not due to injury).
That's balls. At 19 you still have 11 years of your career at least ahead of you to play around 30+ games a year. Say they start to feature regularly from the age of 21, that would be 270 games at least. Well worth paying 15/20 million for at a top club, and for the best players you have to pay a lot.
If in at least 2 or 3 seasons he doesn't perform to the standard Chelsea require then it will be a waste of money.
Lukaku has time on his side like I said but it was a bad idea to have joined Chelsea, an unstable team with constantly changing coaches.He was too eager to pursue "his dream"
Are you being deliberately thick or something?!
I have not written him off in the slightest and said nothing about his future, I said BASED ON HIS FIRST SEASON HE HAS BEEN A WASTE OF MONEY, which bit of that did you not understand?
My point is that you can't really base it on the first season with players who have been bought for their potential rather than for the here and now.
Granted, you could do so if he was around the age of 25 as you'd expect them to come into the side straight away but players of his age are bought with the future in mind.
If i bought a seed and it didn't become a tree immediately would that be a waste of money? No, because it has to grow you Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
Yes you can - I am doing it right now.
Seeds and trees have feck all to do with £18m footballers.
Blame his former club for the fee as we know he is still too young, inexperienced and simply not good enough to be worth his transfer price
Sometimes I feel United needs a physical beast of a striker who can hold the ball up and bring others in to play.
Problem is is that there aren't really any ones out there that are United quality.
Would be an excellent plan B as our wingers can get crosses in by the dozens.
Problem is is that there aren't really any ones out there that are United quality.
Would be an excellent plan B as our wingers can get crosses in by the dozens.
That being a payday as early on as possible. Anyone could see that he wasn't going to get many games at Chelsea..........except the player himself.
In interviews when he signed he talked about the fact he would not be starting much. I guess given how shit we were fir large oarts of last season he thought he might have been used more. I agree with him.
Rejecting that loan move to Stoke looks like madness now.
Nobody rejected the move. The move was cancelled because of Premier League rules. Apparently you can't buy and loan out a player in the same transfer window.
From the BBC (link in the title)
Still sounding a bit tetchy, he seems relatively confident that he should be getting first team football, though I can't see that happening any time soon for Chelsea with Torres around and them apparently signing Hazard and Hulk.
You'd think he might expect this given previous form though, did he honestly think he was going to have much of a chance this season when Drogba and £50 million Torres were both there? It's not like Chelsea have a great track record for playing younger players anyway, I'm not going to trawl for stats but I can't think of a player under say 23 managing 30+ games in a season since the early days of Essien, Kalou and Mikel under Mourinho.
edit - apart from maybe Sturridge this year, but he's largely been making sub appearances since AVB left. I can't see him getting games either if Chelsea bring in Hulk and Hazard on top of the likes of Mata, Marin and Ramires
"Chelsea really wanted me last summer and paid a lot for me but after a while I thought, are you just throwing money around?"
No shit, Lukaku.
"Chelsea really wanted me last summer and paid a lot for me but after a while I thought, are you just throwing money around?"
No shit, Lukaku.
And yet his countryman Hazard still joined, and people thought it might not have been for the money
And yet his countryman Hazard still joined, and people thought it might not have been for the money
No, most people were saying that Chelsea made the most sense because they could offer him the most playing time and were offering him the most money. Since Hazard has been talking about career choices and playing time for a long time, it was obvious what he'd choose.
And yet his countryman Hazard still joined, and people thought it might not have been for the money
You don't really think Hazard will have any trouble with getting playing time for Chelsea, do you?
I think Lukaku's trouble is he was believing his own hype.
He took belgium by storm, but has joined a league where all the best players play, and has not found it easy at all.
He is pretty confused going to a first team star to a reserve team regular, and isnt really sure why.
Unfortunately for him he now needs to realise the hard work starts here, and to reach his potential he must stop moaning and get down to work.
He definitely has all the raw skills available, but will being at chelsea give him that oppertunity? ive got a feeling no.
He took belgium by storm, but has joined a league where all the best players play, and has not found it easy at all.
He is pretty confused going to a first team star to a reserve team regular, and isnt really sure why.
Unfortunately for him he now needs to realise the hard work starts here, and to reach his potential he must stop moaning and get down to work.
He definitely has all the raw skills available, but will being at chelsea give him that oppertunity? ive got a feeling no.
This is the problem with joining a club that has an unstable management structure, if you sign for them and the manager changes then you can find yourself out of favour with the new guy.
That is why young players should avoid such clubs. If Hazard is as talented as expected then he should be too good to be affected by such instabilty.
The Nick Powells of this world would be well advised to avoid.
These considerations are why Arsenal can be the perfect club for a young player. You have a club with a secure management structure, a club that plays champions league football and a club that is unable to afford big name players to compete for places.
Lots of young players nowadays have egos that mean they don't always want to sign for feeder clubs like Arsenal though. They think they can play for teams who win stuff.
Gobby little shite isn't it.
I didn't think Torres would have trouble.
Romelu dawg you need to hush up...
Harsh. Just a young lad, gutted about not being given chances, nothing wrong with that.
He said he either wants to play in the first team or wants a loan move. Perfectly understandable imho, he played a grand total of 12 games after being bought for big money.
It's good for players to have ambition and want to be at a winning club but a lot of the time it's detrimental to their careers. I suspect a lot of these moves are as much to do with agents looking for a pay-day (they take a %, not a fixed fee) as much as players acting in their own interests.
He probably would have done better moving a mid-table club here or in Germany or something where he'd get games. At that age having a year of being restricted to cameos after being used to playing and starring in every game at his previous team will be demoralising. Hope he gets a loan.
He probably would have done better moving a mid-table club here or in Germany or something where he'd get games. At that age having a year of being restricted to cameos after being used to playing and starring in every game at his previous team will be demoralising. Hope he gets a loan.
I'm not being harsh. He is not doing himself any favours by over talking about it to the press. He will give the next manager the impression that he is a complainer, who also holds petty grudges if he isn't careful, when that is not what he is really about. He'd should rather just keep quite and wait for a chance to impress the next manager. He is only 18. If he plays his cards right he will one day earn the right to emulate his idol Drogba in a blue shirt. Maybe even as early as next season.
I'd love it to be the case for Hazard.I really hope he's a massive flop but (even if he doesn't become the PL's best player) I think he'll perform well for them.He's a lot younger than Torres and a lot hungrier.Torres is a bitch, complaining two days after his team won the CL
Well that depends, Torres whinged like feck to the press after the CL final and seems to have been promised starts.
If I was a new manager going in there, I wouldn't see him as a moaner, I'd see him as an ambitious lads who is desperate to get a chance to make it at Chelsea.
I think realistically speaking he was always going to get starts. Drogba leaving has been on the cards all season and bar another huge splash-out on a striker Torres was always going to be first choice going into next season.
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