Romelu Lukaku vs Alvaro Morata 2017/18

[roonster09]

Well, toss in the fact that some of Morata's were against United and Atletico, and yes it makes a difference.

How many of Lukaku's goals put the game out of reach? 4. Morata? 1 -- his hat-trick.

The stats don't lie, roonster09.

What? Only goals that didn't matter much was against Crystal Palace and Everton when he scored 3rd or 4th goal.

Now from don't score in important moments, you changed to big games (which was already addressed long back).

Stats don't lie, it's just that you are not using it properly with ever moving goal posts.

 

[El Pasillo]

Morata's all goalscoring chances vs. Arsenal + Thierry Henry's comments during HT on Sky Sports

Streamable

 

[Litch]

Slightly ironic that Lukaku’s goals seem to have dried up a bit since his hold up play seems to have gone up a notch.

We could see a real beast of a player next season when hopefully it all comes together and he’s had a season to adjust to being in the spotlight at United.

I think you are spot on. Side issue but people talk about both these two strikers and rubbish their achievements like they are a daily occurrence. If it was so easy to score goals playing for very average Prem teams even if it's not against the top 6 clubs, why aren't there more strikers not doing it? Lets get it right, there's not another player in the history of the Prem consistently that's done it outside of the top teams, and all before he was 24. One in two so far in your first season might not tell the full story but I know many a Utd striker that would have taken that in their first season here...

Finishes were poor yesterday by Morata but you don't get anywhere near Real as a striker unless you have quality. Again, this isn't something that most players will achieve in their lifetime.

The games all about opinions and whilst we have the opportunity to forensically look at theses players negatively, I still believe these are both high quality strikers with different attributes.

 

[Enigma_87]

. Look at minutes played.

Look at the quality of the teammates tho. Lukaku is definitely the better goalscorer out of the two. Morata the better overall player, although his overall contribution apart from goals hasn't been all that.

 

[Enigma_87]

You remove his "Chelsea stint where he barely got a game" to boost his record or why?
His record for chelsea is actually 0 goals in 15 games. Why would you remove those from the statistics? are those games somehow not as important as the ones where he scored more?

Because he was used very sparingly and even at the wing at the time from memory. Even with that he still has much better scoring record.

 

[MJJ]

Look at the quality of the teammates tho. Lukaku is definitely the better goalscorer out of the two. Morata the better overall player, although his overall contribution apart from goals hasn't been all that.

Yup, the quality of teammates and the lack of minutes played for morata pretty much makes judging them by goal scoring redundant.

 

[Enigma_87]

Yup, the quality of teammates and the lack of minutes played for morata pretty much makes judging them by goal scoring redundant.

Why? Even with the goal drought Lukaku scoring rate is every other game - the best since he started his career at this point. I'd imagine playing for Juve in Italy or at Real Madrid he'd be scoring for fun with that service.

Morata's scoring rate has been rather steady curve so far. He's getting more minutes at Chelsea this season and scoring less compared to last season with Real when he was used as an impact sub.

 

[MJJ]

Why? Even with the goal drought Lukaku scoring rate is every other game - the best since he started his career at this point. I'd imagine playing for Juve in Italy or at Real Madrid he'd be scoring for fun with that service.

Morata's scoring rate has been rather steady curve so far. He's getting more minutes at Chelsea this season and scoring less compared to last season with Real when he was used as an impact sub.

Because this is the first season where both have been first choice at comparable teams, before this morata has never gone a season being the first team striker and lukaku has played for poorer sides.

The goal scoring record of the two is similar this year too.

 

[Dancfc]

How so?

If we remove Morata's apps and goals for Real Madrid B he's on 70 goals in 214 games playing for Chelsea, Real and Juve.

If we remove Lukaku's goals and apps in Belguim and in his Chelsea stint where he barely got a game, he's on 119 goals in 234 apps.

So for 20 games more he scored 39 goals more, being 1 year younger, barely a difference especially if you account the quality of the service both got for their respective teams at the time.

There was a very good reason he barely got a game.

 

[VanGaalEra]

Would it be fair to say that none of the big money striker signings have really done well? Lacazette and Morata have been average too but predictably all the talk has been about Lukaku.

Lacazette now has no goals in 7 games, but you won’t hear it mentioned much.

 

[Robbie Boy]

To be completely honest, Morata has done an ok job so far. The reason - I would imagine - why people are being harsh on him is because some of the shite that's been spouted on here over the past few months. Basically - Chelsea fans I'm looking at you lot - have made Morata out to be excellent, all the while, it seems to be the done thing to say Lukaku has been terrible. Morata has certainly not been excellent and while Lukaku has had his struggles, Morata certainly has too.

I also understand that some United fans don't rate Lukaku and I can fully respect that as we all have our opinions. What grates on me, is how some of these fans over the past few months have made out as if Morata would have been our saviour. No he certainly would not. If you don't rate Lukaku, then that's fair game, but ffs don't proclaim Morata to be some sort of demi god. As I and others have previously stated, a 'vs' only exists because both were bought in the same window with both clubs apparently interested in both players. That's it, there are no other similarities.

 

[Enigma_87]

Because this is the first season where both have been first choice at comparable teams, before this morata has never gone a season being the first team striker and lukaku has played for poorer sides.

The goal scoring record of the two is similar this year too.

Morata has always played for quite better sides than Lukaku. You can't really compare the likes of Real and Juve to Everton and WBA. Arguably Chelsea are also more productive side than United at the current point(also being a championship winning side).

There was a very good reason he barely got a game.

Hence I removed them in the first place. Morata played at high level after he moved out of Real B, same can be said about Lukaku and after Chelsea.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Maybe because we are considering the overall careers of great players with young players who are just making the big step.

For example at 24 - RVN was playing at PSV.
RVP - scored double figures in league only once, that was 11 goals.
Drogba - was at Guingamp scoring 17 league goals and 3 league goals in previous season.
Costa - Scored 10 league goals playing second fiddle to Falcao.

Yep but their isn't any guarantee that they actually have what it takes to make that step. I'll be extremely surprised (pleasantly in Lukaku's case) if these two reach the level the elite strikers did.

 

[koop]

Ive watched a couple matches with Morata and a few with Lukaku.

I'd gladly say it's good we got Lukaku over Morata. Morata has missed so many easy chances along with offering nothing to Chelseas game and even caused them to concede a goal.
Lukaku has been struggling recently and also has caused Utd to concede due to his headers off corners (defending). However Lukakus passing is very underrated, I've seen him play such good passes which lead to goals, so yes he may not score them but he offers more than Morata does at the moment.

 

[roonster09]

Yep but their isn't any guarantee that they actually have what it takes to make that step. I'll be extremely surprised (pleasantly in Lukaku's case) if these two reach the level the elite strikers did.

There isn't any guarantees in football. Not sure how many thought RVP had ability to score 30 goals in a season as he was more of a creator than scorer all his career. Same with Drogba, not sure how many believed he can be so good.

Coming to recent years, Kane. He was written off (or had big concerns) by many and now he is like almost the most complete player in the league.

These 2 players have just made important step in their career, so as of now they are not elite strikers but who knows how much they will improve in the coming years.

Also one more good example is Lewandowski, when he was 11-23 he scored just 9 goals in 43 games for Dortmund, from next season there was no stopping him.

 

[MJJ]

Morata has always played for quite better sides than Lukaku. You can't really compare the likes of Real and Juve to Everton and WBA. Arguably Chelsea are also more productive side than United at the current point(also being a championship winning side).

Hence I removed them in the first place. Morata played at high level after he moved out of Real B, same can be said about Lukaku and after Chelsea.

He has and I am not disputing it but lukaku has played a lot more too. A quick glance at who scored shows that lukaku has played almost twice the amount morata has so far, 17000 vs 9000. That is a sign fianct amount.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

There isn't any guarantees in football. Not sure how many thought RVP had ability to score 30 goals in a season as he was more of a creator than scorer all his career. Same with Drogba, not sure how many believed he can be so good.

Coming to recent years, Kane. He was written off (or had big concerns) by many and now he is like almost the most complete player in the league.

These 2 players have just made important step in their career, so as of now they are not elite strikers but who knows how much they will improve in the coming years.

Also one more good example is Lewandowski, when he was 11-23 he scored just 9 goals in 43 games for Dortmund, from next season there was no stopping him.

Yeah and maybe Lingard will end up better than Messi. Who knows? From what I've seen so far Lukaku doesn't have the potential to be an elite level striker and nor does Morata. Maybe they'll be prove me wrong but that's how I see it as of now.

I see Lukaku more closely and his all round game is very rough around the edges.

 

[roonster09]

Yeah and maybe Lingard will end up better than Messi. Who knows? From what I've seen so far Lukaku doesn't have the potential to be an elite level striker and nor does Morata. Maybe they'll be prove me wrong but that's how I see it as of now.

I see Lukaku more closely and his all round game is very rough around the edges.

Yeah that's what I was saying isn't it.

The examples are right infront you and how these elite players were when they were young. If anything Lukaku and Morata are bit ahead at the same ages. Whether they can take their game to next level is yet to be seen but with proper coaching and training why not? It's not like players like RVP, Drogba, RVN were world class players from very young age. Also we are not talking about some average players, one is leading the line for Spain and other is for Belgium, both have achieved lot of things already at young age.

IIRC Lukaku has scored more more goals than many great players at same age and Morata was rated highly by Madrid, Juventus and Chelsea. They are doing something right to be rated by so many good managers.

 

[Robbie Boy]

From F365:

* We need to talk about Alvaro Morata. The striker Chelsea failed to sign this summer has been coming in for plenty of criticism himself, but it’s easy to wonder what the reaction would have been on social media (and from Gary Neville) had Romelu Lukaku produced a performance like Morata’s.

It started with a one-on-one miss, the Spaniard never comfortable as he bore down on goal and shanked his shot well wide of Cech’s left-hand post. Yet Morata’s build-up play was also poor, with passes going astray and possession lost through sluggishness.

Morata has been superb in the air this season, particularly when crosses are supplied by Cesar Azpilicueta. But it has almost reached the stage when stopping Azpilicueta moving forward with the ball stops Morata from scoring. It’s now only two league goals since September.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Yeah that's what I was saying isn't it.

The examples are right infront you and how these elite players were when they were young. If anything Lukaku and Morata are bit ahead at the same ages. Whether they can take their game to next level is yet to be seen but with proper coaching and training why not? It's not like players like RVP, Drogba, RVN were world class players from very young age. Also we are not talking about some average players, one is leading the line for Spain and other is for Belgium, both have achieved lot of things already at young age.

IIRC Lukaku has scored more more goals than many great players at same age and Morata was rated highly by Madrid, Juventus and Chelsea. They are doing something right to be rated by so many good managers.

Yet Morata was let go by Madrid whereas a fully fit RVP would most likely not be. There are also plenty of footballers who remain 'good'. Just because they're currently at United and Chelsea doesn't mean they'll be good enough for those clubs ambitions.

 

[Nick7]

From F365:

2 league goals since september? that can't be right, can it?

 

[Robbie Boy]

2 league goals since september? that can't be right, can it?

Yeah I thought that alright but that's what they have.

 

[redflair]

As mentioned, Lukaku would have been slaughtered for those misses by Morata at the Emirates.

Different strokes for different folks.

I think his hold-up play is good, heading technique excellent and movement sharp and elusive.

But I'm not sure he'll ever be a great striker as he lacks that killer instinct in the box.

 

[eat_grass]

What? Only goals that didn't matter much was against Crystal Palace and Everton when he scored 3rd or 4th goal.

Now from don't score in important moments, you changed to big games (which was already addressed long back).

Stats don't lie, it's just that you are not using it properly with ever moving goal posts.

Since I obviously can't rely on you to post data in a reasonably readable format (, see my formatting earlier for a more-correct way of doing it), I've done the work for you (and me):

This very clearly shows Morata's greater impact. A game-tying or lead-taking goal or assist is more valuable than a goal or assist that stretches a lead. There can be no argument against that.

High-impact goal or assist: gives your team the lead or brings the score level.

Then, add on top of those numbers the teams against which they were made (United and Atletico), and that puts the argument to rest. See, no illusionary movement of goal posts.

What I can say is that long, long stretch of 13 games where Lukaku just flat-lines, while Morata keeps climbing, gave the impression that the final numbers would be far more divergent. But the end result is still stark: greater impact, fewer games played.

 

[cyberman]

That could be the worst post I've ever seen

 

[duffer]

That could be the worst post I've ever seen

You must have yourself on ignore. Joking!

 

[cyberman]

@duffer
That little comment was as predictable as Morata shanking a shot when clean through on goal.
For shame

 

[TheReligion]

Since I obviously can't rely on you to post data in a reasonably readable format (, see my formatting earlier for a more-correct way of doing it), I've done the work for you (and me):

This very clearly shows Morata's greater impact. A game-tying or lead-taking goal or assist is more valuable than a goal or assist that stretches a lead. There can be no argument against that.

High-impact goal or assist: gives your team the lead or brings the score level.

Then, add on top of those numbers the teams against which they were made (United and Atletico), and that puts the argument to rest. See, no illusionary movement of goal posts.

What I can say is that long, long stretch of 13 games where Lukaku just flat-lines, while Morata keeps climbing, gave the impression that the final numbers would be far more divergent. But the end result is still stark: greater impact, fewer games played.

He had a fantastic impact on helping Chelsea drop points last night

 

[eat_grass]

You must have yourself on ignore. Joking!

I'm tempted to add him to my ignore list, but his lack of self-awareness means I'll probably miss out on some unintentionally funny face-palm moments from him, so I'll leave it for now.

He had a fantastic impact on helping Chelsea drop points last night

You've got me all wrong. I'm not slighting Lukaku. I'm trying to be objective. I've already said he's had an overall slightly better season than Morata so far (total numbers). Of course I want him to smash Morata's numbers, because that will (probably) mean United have a great end to the season.

 

[roonster09]

Since I obviously can't rely on you to post data in a reasonably readable format (, see my formatting earlier for a more-correct way of doing it), I've done the work for you (and me):

This very clearly shows Morata's greater impact. A game-tying or lead-taking goal or assist is more valuable than a goal or assist that stretches a lead. There can be no argument against that.

High-impact goal or assist: gives your team the lead or brings the score level.

Then, add on top of those numbers the teams against which they were made (United and Atletico), and that puts the argument to rest. See, no illusionary movement of goal posts.

What I can say is that long, long stretch of 13 games where Lukaku just flat-lines, while Morata keeps climbing, gave the impression that the final numbers would be far more divergent. But the end result is still stark: greater impact, fewer games played.

I can't rely on your graphs and fancy stuffs when you can't get them correct. Your graph says Lukaku has 7 high impact goals and assist.
1. Scored opening goal vs West Ham
2. Scored goal to put us in 2-1 position against Stoke
3. Scored only goal in 1-0 win vs Southampton
4. Assisted only goal in 1-0 win vs Spurs
5. Scored only goal vs Bournemouth in 1-0 win
6. Scored opening goal vs West Brom in 2-1 win
7. Scored opening goal vs CSKA away
8. Scoored equalizer vs CSKA at home in 2-1 win

That's 8 there. Yeah 8 vs 10, massive difference . Talk about Morata scoring important goals and Lukaku stat padding.

Also using fancy graph doesn't mean your stats are correct.

I'm assuming you left out Madrid game, which means his 13th/14th game (depending on whether league cup is include) is against Spurs where he assisted the only goal scored by ManUtd in 1-0 win. So 13 games flat line is wrong, also this flat line doesn't matter as this graph is only about scoring equalizer, opening goal or winner but ignored extending 1 goal lead to 2.

Also anyone with bit of understanding will tell you extending 1 goal lead to 2 is very important contribution in the game, since it doesn't fit your narrative, it's ignored.

 

[roonster09]

You've got me all wrong. I'm not slighting Lukaku. I'm trying to be objective. I've already said he's had an overall slightly better season than Morata so far (total numbers). Of course I want him to smash Morata's numbers, because that will (probably) mean United have a great end to the season.

Oh please, saying "Lukaku scores to put games to bed (as he's known for)" is being slight on Lukaku when this season all his goals bar 2-3 are very important for team either not to drop points or giving team some breathing space.

 

[eat_grass]

4. Assisted only goal in 1-0 win vs Spurs
That's 8 there. Yeah 8 vs 10, massive difference . Talk about Morata scoring important goals and Lukaku stat padding.

Ah, yes I missed the Spurs assist. 10 - 8, goals and assists. And it breaks up his long drought of productive contribution, so it doesn't look as bad. Those two goals/assists could be the difference of 2 - 6 points, so yes it's a potentially "massive difference."

Anyway, here's the corrected "fancy" graph.

Also anyone with bit of understanding will tell you extending 1 goal lead to 2 is very important contribution in the game, since it doesn't fit your narrative, it's ignored.

You keep running back to that argument, even though I've repeatedly said I don't consider those lead-extending goals unimportant. They're merely less important than the ones we've focused on in this thread.

Oh please, saying "Lukaku scores to put games to bed (as he's known for)" is being slight on Lukaku when this season all his goals bar 2-3 are very important for team either not to drop points or giving team some breathing space

2-0 goal : West Ham
2-0 goal : Swansea
2-0 goal : Basel
3-0 goal : CSKA
4-0 goal : Everton
4-0 goal : Crystal Palace
4-1 goal : Newcastle

The 2-nills aren't "putting games to bed," per se, but the 3-nill, 4-nills, and 4-1 sure are. That's what he's known for. That's 7 vs 8 (7 of "putting the game to bed or further out of reach" quality, 8 of Morata-quality).

Here, to help cheer you up from losing this argument (but putting up a commendable fight), I gift you this video:

 

[roonster09]

Ah, yes I missed the Spurs assist. 10 - 8, goals and assists. And it breaks up his long drought of productive contribution, so it doesn't look as bad. Those two goals/assists could be the difference of 2 - 6 points, so yes it's a potentially "massive difference."

Anyway, here's the corrected "fancy" graph.

Again you fail to understand the argument. No one i arguing whether Lukaku scored more important goals than Morata, it's your playing down Lukaku's contribution that was argued.

You keep running back to that argument, even though I've repeatedly said I don't consider those lead-extending goals unimportant. They're merely less important than the ones we've focused on in this thread.

Doesn't matter when you consider, I'm talking about people who can understand the importance.

2-0 goal : West Ham
2-0 goal : Swansea
2-0 goal : Basel
3-0 goal : CSKA
4-0 goal : Everton
4-0 goal : Crystal Palace
4-1 goal : Newcastle

The 2-nills aren't "putting games to bed," per se, but the 3-nill, 4-nills, and 4-1 sure are. That's what he's known for. That's 7 vs 8 (7 of "putting the game to bed or further out of reach" quality, 8 of Morata-quality).

Apart from you, I don't think anyone will downplay his 2nd goals. 8 of Morata quality? Oh dear.

Here, to help cheer you up from losing this argument (but putting up a commendable fight), I gift you this video:

Pathetic. Keep on making bs points, only to be busted. Not come up with this

Your other point:

Those two goals/assists could be the difference of 2 - 6 points, so yes it's a potentially "massive difference."

Or potentially just 2 points. Also with 2nd goal leads, there is a good chance teams might potentially lose their lead as it's never safe to sit on 1 goal lead. ManUtd more than anyone should be knowing this.

 

[eat_grass]

Again you fail to understand the argument. No one i arguing whether Lukaku scored more important goals than Morata, it's your playing down Lukaku's contribution that was argued.

Wrong. This is a Lukaku vs Morata thread. Did you not read the title? That's what the comparison is, and that's why Lukaku's numbers not matching up to Morata's comes into play. It doesn't mean Lukaku's numbers have been shit.

Doesn't matter when you consider, I'm talking about people who can understand the importance

Sadly, you don't seem to understand variance in importance. I say "one is more important than the other," and you keep making the baseless claim I don't see value in the lesser. It's because you've ran out of ideas to challenge the plain facts in this debate.

Apart from you, I don't think anyone will downplay his 2nd goals. 8 of Morata quality? Oh dear.

See? (Probably not. ). Just as I said above.

Or potentially just 2 points. Also with 2nd goal leads, there is a good chance teams might potentially lose their lead as it's never safe to sit on 1 goal lead. ManUtd more than anyone should be knowing this.

Yes, that's what a range of "2 - 6" means.

See, this should be so simple even you should get it: there is no need to speculate on Morata's goals. They were the lead- or draw-gaining goals. No need for "well maybe the other team would have come back had it not been for the 2-niller" speculation. You really should be able to get this point, but I despair ....

 

[roonster09]

Wrong. This is a Lukaku vs Morata thread. Did you not read the title? That's what the comparison is, and that's why Lukaku's numbers not matching up to Morata's comes into play. It doesn't mean Lukaku's numbers have been shit.

Oh dear. When someone says "Lukaku doesn't score important goals" and others point out Lukaku scores important goals, that doesn't mean it's a competition on who scored more important goals. It's not hard to understand.

Sadly, you don't seem to understand variance in importance. I say "one is more important than the other," and you keep making the baseless claim I don't see value in the lesser. It's because you've ran out of ideas to challenge the plain facts in this debate.

In that case why are we ignoring important contributions from Lukaku? Scoring second goal is also important contribution (not as important as first, but still important), so why is it ignored? Because it doesn't fit your narrative?

Yes, that's what a range of "2 - 6" means.

See, this should be so simple even you should get it: there is no need to speculate on Morata's goals. They were the lead- or draw-gaining goals. No need for "well maybe the other team would have come back had it not been for the 2-niller" speculation. You really should be able to get this point, but I despair ....

Since you are really struggling with ever moving goal posts I will make it very simple.

Scoring first goal is important so is scoring equaliser and winners. Lukaku has contribute 8 goals or assists for that.
Scoring second goal is also very important, Lukaku has also contributed to that. Only a person who don't understand the game will downplay that. So why is this ignored when we are talking about important contributions? Because you made a nonsense point and somehow have to fit every point to that narrative?

I believe you are not thick to understand simple points.

Again before you come up with more bs, I have challenged your bs point that Lukaku loves stat padding when it's clearly wrong. Doesn't matter if Morata scored or assisted 2 goals more than Lukaku. It's like saying Messi is shit goal scorer because Ronaldo scored more or vice versa.

It's really not that hard, even for you it shouldn't be.

 

[eat_grass]

Oh dear. When someone says "Lukaku doesn't score important goals" and others point out Lukaku scores important goals, that doesn't mean it's a competition on who scored more important goals. It's not hard to understand.

Now you've completely jumped the shark and are making up quotes. You've ended in a remarkable failure, but I saw this coming.

I said Morata's goals have been more important, I also said Morata's scored more game-winners against top teams, and then went on to include assists and goals to compare their quantity to Lukaku's totals. All of that has been borne out by the facts. I also said Lukaku's main contribution has been to putting games to bed (or out of reach), which the facts support as well (7 Lukaku-quality goals, 8 Morata-quality goals). I've been very clear on the metrics, and the facts have ridiculed your position.

In that case why are we ignoring important contributions from Lukaku? Scoring second goal is also important contribution (not as important as first, but still important), so why is it ignored? Because it doesn't fit your narrative?

You keep wanting to expand to second goals because first goals betrays the weakness of your argument. Lead-gaining and game-tying goals are more valuable. Period. I can teach you "1 + 1" if you need me to .... Or maybe that would require a minor miracle, I don't know at this point. :/

Scoring first goal is important so is scoring equaliser and winners. Lukaku has contribute 8 goals or assists for that.
Scoring second goal is also very important, Lukaku has also contributed to that. Only a person who don't understand the game will downplay that. So why is this ignored when we are talking about important contributions? Because you made a nonsense point and somehow have to fit every point to that narrative?

Nope. You don't get to change the argument that I made into something different. My metrics are simple enough for someone as challenged as you to comprehend. Read through them as many times as you need to until you understand them, my friend. And please be sure to tuck yourself in very tightly tonight so you don't roll off the bed and further injure yourself.

 

[roonster09]

Now you've completely jumped the shark and are making up quotes. You've ended in a remarkable failure, but I saw this coming.

I said Morata's goals have been more important, I also said Morata's scored more game-winners against top teams, and then went on to include assists and goals to compare their quantity to Lukaku's totals. All of that has been borne out by the facts. I also said Lukaku's main contribution has been to putting games to bed (or out of reach), which the facts support as well (7 Lukaku-quality goals, 8 Morata-quality goals). I've been very clear on the metrics, and the facts have ridiculed your position.



You keep wanting to expand to second goals because first goals betrays the weakness of your argument. Lead-gaining and game-tying goals are more valuable. Period. I can teach you "1 + 1" if you need me to .... Or maybe that would require a minor miracle, I don't know at this point. :/



Nope. You don't get to change the argument that I made into something different. My metrics are simple enough for someone as challenged as you to comprehend. Read through them as many times as you need to until you understand them, my friend. And please be sure to tuck yourself in very tightly tonight so you don't roll off the bed and further injure yourself.

Oh dear same nonsense in different post. Can't be arsed to type same thing again and again.

I'm not here to teach you how important extending one goal lead to two is important.

Btw it's good to see only goals matter changed to goals and assists.

 

[SlothIsLove]

If someone thinks that scoring to extend the lead to 2 goals is not important enough, please remember the misses of Lingard and Rashford in the Leicester away game and tell me that they are unimportant

 

[eat_grass]

If someone thinks that scoring to extend the lead to 2 goals is not important enough, please remember the misses of Lingard and Rashford in the Leicester away game and tell me that they are unimportant

See what you did, @roonster09?

@SlothIsLove, nobody said they aren't "important enough" (whatever "enough" is). It was a comparison between something more valuable and something less. It does not make the thing of lesser value valueless.

 

[roonster09]

See what you did, @roonster09?

@SlothIsLove, nobody said they aren't "important enough" (whatever "enough" is). It was a comparison between something more valuable and something less. It does not make the thing of lesser value valueless.

Scoring second goal is very valuable, it should be counted when you consider important contribution by the player. You can put any criteria on that, that doesn't change Lukaku's contribution to the team.

I can give so many examples when team failed to score more goals when they had 1 or 2 goal lead and ended up with no more than a point, in ManUtd case, even lost a league title for not adding more to 2 goal lead.