Gehrman
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Reflects poorly on quality of the Seria A. Probably will end up with a better goals to game ratio than Batistuta and Shevchenko.
Yeah they progressed because they got a very easy group. BVB , Zenit & Club Brugge which they couldn't even beatNot sure how they are wank in Europe where they are in the last 16, something neither Inter or Manchester United could do.
keep in mind Lazio did it with half their team missing match days 2 and 3 due to COVID. Immobile scored in every song CL game so he was obviously a big miss for them vs Zenit and Brugge.
Yeah they progressed because they got a very easy group. BVB , Zenit & Club Brugge which they couldn't even beat
They been very poor in Europe for a very long time now.
After the draw nobody even believed Utd would progress. Also 1 shit vs 2 shit teams is a big difference don't you think?They also didn’t lose to them. They beat Dortmund and Zenit too and people here seem to rate the likes of Sancho and Haaland. United also had a poor Turkish team that they lost to so it’s not for granted that you’ll pass the group if there are ‘poor’ teams in it. Also as I mentioned Lazio had to play 2 games without half their team due to COVID so it’s not as if they had it easy.
That is a ridiculous assumption. West Ham are so solid with Moyes and hardly any of the Spanish sides would be able to break through them. Add to that the quality of players like Antonio, Bowen, Fornals, Lanzini, Cresswell, Soucek and Rice as well. Alongside probably ending the season with the 4th best defensive record behind Atletico, Real and Sevilla, they would batter sides like Cadiz, Huesca, Valladolid, Elche, Osasuna, Valencia etc.Same goes with EPL though. I mean - West Ham are in top 10 EPL yet would be relegated in La Liga.
After the draw nobody even believed Utd would progress. Also 1 shit vs 2 shit teams is a big difference don't you think?
Not so much the slower pace as the inferior level of physicality. That, plus inter are just much better in attack than United under MourinhoI don’t know whether his poor touch goes punished less often in serie A due to the slower pace of the game, or whether he’s just made the kind of improvement that comes with hitting your peak. But it seems clear he’s at a club that suits him. He was never the right fit for us but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a club somewhere that can get the best out of him. He’s always known where the goal is.
Leipzig are 1st at the moment in the Bundesliga - until Bayern play.Also Fiorentina are one
That’s a weird thing to say though - nobody believed Manchester United could advance against a team that finished 3rd in Bundesliga last season? Hard to believe that a 3rd placed Bindesliga team is THAT much better than the 3rd best EPL team.
Lazio also had the 2nd best team in Bundesliga from last season and took 4 points away from them - the reason Lazio didn’t make it was actually due to weaker record against Club Brugge.
Anyway Lukaki’s goal scoring doesn’t have much to do with Serie A. Even in Europe with Inter his record is: 16 games 13 goals 3 assists, so it’s actually the exact same as the record posted above: 1 goal contribution per game.
I just checked Lukaku’s stats in England and he has quite a few seasonswith around 25 goal contributions per season - does that just mean EPL was a terrible league back then?
You said nobody would think United would pass when they were drawn together. The CL draw was what - a few games into the season? Surely you didn’t make the assumption Leipzig are best team in Germany after then?Leipzig are 1st at the moment in the Bundesliga - until Bayern play.
I don't know what kind of mental gymnastics your'e doing but Utd were in a group of death with 3 good teams fighting for progression while Lazio only had BVB.
You said nobody would think United would pass when they were drawn together. The CL draw was what - a few games into the season? Surely you didn’t make the assumption Leipzig are best team in Germany after then?
Anyway I still don’t buy that no United fan thought their team is capable of finishing ahead of Leipzig.
Pretty much this.
I wish Lukaku all the best though... not sure where all the hate comes from. He did all he could for us which was ultimately not good enough.
Yeah they progressed because they got a very easy group. BVB , Zenit & Club Brugge which they couldn't even beat
They been very poor in Europe for a very long time now.
Didn't play with our strongest teamThose teams are not always easy though. Brugges held Real Madrid in Spain last season and caused PSG problems in Paris. They actually improved in this edition by winning three group games. We also looked poor against them in the Europa league in the first leg of our knockout game against them when we drew 1-1 last season. If anything that group appeared pretty competitive from the start considering the balance of quality. Chelsea and Sevilla had the easiest group IMO
Probably also depends on the profile of the player. Both Evra and Vidic looked done physically with us but one had a decent swansong at Juve while the other was so bad at Inter I think they released him.Not so much the slower pace as the inferior level of physicality. That, plus inter are just much better in attack than United under Mourinho
He's not even playing for United anymoreDo you actually read this thread? Just go few posts above and you'll see. The guy makes it so easy for people to hate him.
It’s weird and obsessive.Pretty much this.
I wish Lukaku all the best though... not sure where all the hate comes from. He did all he could for us which was ultimately not good enough.
Saying that a top 10 EPL team would be relegated in La Liga ? I'm sorry if you believe otherwise be my guest, I don't value the bottom half of the Spanish league as you do then.
That's the issue - he arguably didn't. Nobody hates him for his first season, but in his second season he was lazy, overweight, shit and tried to blame everyone else despite him being by far the worst player on the team. He's the type of person who throws other people under the bus when things aren't going well to try to hide the fact that he himself is the biggest problem. It's not a coincidence he quite obviously became quite disliked in the dressing room.Pretty much this.
I wish Lukaku all the best though... not sure where all the hate comes from. He did all he could for us which was ultimately not good enough.
That's the issue - he arguably didn't. Nobody hates him for his first season, but in his second season he was lazy, overweight, shit and tried to blame everyone else despite him being by far the worst player on the team. He's the type of person who throws other people under the bus when things aren't going well to try to hide the fact that he himself is the biggest problem. It's not a coincidence he quite obviously became quite disliked in the dressing room.
The only thing coming close to comparing teams in Europe is the CL and EL. Other than that, it's pure conjecture to say how an English club would fare in the spanish league or vice versa.
Yeah they progressed because they got a very easy group. BVB , Zenit & Club Brugge which they couldn't even beat
They been very poor in Europe for a very long time now.
We got £80m for him, arguably spending that on Bruno. It’s worked out for both parties. Happy for him, but don’t miss him.
@LayI see what you are trying to say but the bolded part applies to the EPL too.
He wasn't a flop, he was a talented but inconsistent young player. He was 22 when he left, and the general feeling at the time was "how are italian sides letting him go to portugal"The same Bruno who was a flop in Serie A. Mind blown for some in here, I assume.
Pretty much this.
I wish Lukaku all the best though... not sure where all the hate comes from. He did all he could for us which was ultimately not good enough.
Not one single Utd player wished him good luck when he left. Shaw publicly trolled him when Inter fell into the Europa. Safe to say he wasn't well liked.Wasn't aware you were in the dressing room
He had and still has a good relationship with Rashford.Not one single Utd player wished him good luck when he left. Shaw publicly trolled him when Inter fell into the Europa. Safe to say he wasn't well liked.
Not one single Utd player wished him good luck when he left. Shaw publicly trolled him when Inter fell into the Europa. Safe to say he wasn't well liked.
Blinded by hatred.Not one single Utd player wished him good luck when he left. Shaw publicly trolled him when Inter fell into the Europa. Safe to say he wasn't well liked.
Blinded by hatred.
He didn’t though. That’s the very reason why he’s not likedHe did all he could for us which was ultimately not good enough.
Lukaku himself wanting a move and Inter offering huge money which might have not been an option later, probably.So, in Ole's recent press conference, having been asked about Cavani he said:
"Edinson has trained well when he's been banned," Solskjaer said. "He's had a couple of days off, of course, as well - you can't train too much.
"But he's ready to go, he gives us a different option. He's a different type of striker or forward than Mason (Greenwood), Anthony (Martial) and Marcus (Rashford), so I'm glad to have him back. That's why we brought him in.
I can only imagine that when Ole is saying Cavani is a different type of striker, he means he is more of a box player than the other three, who all like to roam across the front line.
However, if Ole wanted a different type of striker, it begs the question as to why he was so quick to offload Lukaku, who, despite not being as neat in the build-up play as our current strikers, is a box player and proven goalscorer.
Because he can't be relied upon? Cavani is a completely different beast to Lukaku.So, in Ole's recent press conference, having been asked about Cavani he said:
"Edinson has trained well when he's been banned," Solskjaer said. "He's had a couple of days off, of course, as well - you can't train too much.
"But he's ready to go, he gives us a different option. He's a different type of striker or forward than Mason (Greenwood), Anthony (Martial) and Marcus (Rashford), so I'm glad to have him back. That's why we brought him in.
I can only imagine that when Ole is saying Cavani is a different type of striker, he means he is more of a box player than the other three, who all like to roam across the front line.
However, if Ole wanted a different type of striker, it begs the question as to why he was so quick to offload Lukaku, who, despite not being as neat in the build-up play as our current strikers, is a box player and proven goalscorer.
Because he can't be relied upon? Cavani is a completely different beast to Lukaku.