Romelu Lukaku | Chelsea
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I guess the most important thing is how Chelsea fans feel. Top of the table and only 7 games in, no worries. Get you some goals Big Rom!
I didn’t say it was “ridiculous fawning.”
I said quite a few said he would be a different player due to his time with Conte and you disagreed that it was actually “quite a few” saying it.
But either way it’s ridiculous to think any coach will improve any footballer technically after over a decade in top level football. It just doesn’t happen.
Apologies @duffer I see you're quite the pedant this afternoon. I apologise for saying "ridiculous fawning" and I'll kindly downgrade to "fawning".
This conversation started because someone said there was "ridiculous fawning on here when he signed for Chelsea".
That's what I questioned. I'm not really interested in moving the goalposts.
Just don't do it again.
Sorry, sir
I've told you 1,000,000,000 times, hyperbole is bad.
Well I would argue that claiming Lukaku could suddenly hold the ball up and head it consistently qualifies as “ridiculous fawning” especially considering most were probably making such judgements based on Youtube clips.
You didn't quote my full post.
And I said this after watching him in the Chelsea Liverpool match, not after he signed for them. If you remember what he was here you'd see what I said is pretty correct I think.
It is normally, but it's kind of amusing when it comes to ribbing oppos. However, I'll endeavour to be better.
Shhhhh. I don’t think he realizes half those posts were from United fans.
Not really, with regards to a conversation about a player.
Let's not forget he scored 7 goals in his first 7 games for us. He's only got 3 in 6 for Chelsea but they are playing some proper cannon fodder in the next month. He will rack the goals up in that time but that doesn't mean he's any better.
Ha. It was really mostly that @Bleu guy I was remembering I think. Obviously a Chelsea fan but obviously a bit of a nutter as well.
I think the sheer number of nonsense posts of his made me think there were more Chelsea fans at it than there actually were. But there definitely were a few at least.
The funny thing is i remember posting about Rom's flaws when he was at United and was jumped on by many posters some on this thread now saying the same things 
Chelsea will move him on in 2 years or so, for around £50m, to Atletico Madrid or something.
I suspect so.
I think he was good for us inutially but got progressively worse and by the end of it just became awful. Given he's come off a terrific season with Inter let's see what his level is now for Chelsea. I don't think I've ever thought he could be a genuinely great CF but possibly a very good one.
The funny thing is i remember posting about Rom's flaws when he was at United and was jumped on by many posters some on this thread now saying the same things
It's easy to see Lukaku's flaws when he plays for someone else. And it's easy to focus on his qualities when he plays for your team and scores goals. He is a very strange player, he is clearly good at something but he isn't elite and never will.
Yep, he's a goalscorer and one that's especially good at bullying the non-elite teams. He'll get 20+ goals all competitions included and that's a very good striker for you. The problem is, he's pretty shit vs quality opposition to the point he's a liability and he'll never be elite because of that.
The debate about how good he is will just continue forever because it's easy to pick a side based on "he scores goals" or "what does he do vs elite teams" and just keep going around in circles
The debate about how good he is will just continue forever because it's easy to pick a side based on "he scores goals" or "what does he do vs elite teams" and just keep going around in circles
A conversation, yes....but all the negativity is coming mostly from opposition fans. Nobody really expects them to feel great about rival team's player. I will admit that many of the Man Utd fan base seems to be overly harsh about the start of Sancho there and he is the player they have wanted for two years.
The United fans saying those things about him are the same United fans who were saying the same thing when he was here.
Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s purely partisanship.
I don't really care?
I am enjoying him on the team and think that our team will continue to play better the longer he is on it. I thought he was pretty good the first year with United. His second season was pretty bad. He does have weaknesses to his overall game. It really becomes necessary to play to his strengths. Like I said, what is really important is if a player is liked by the fan base he plays for.
Chelsea's next 6 fixtures are pretty easy (includes Brentford, Norwich, Newcastle and 2x Malmö), so he will probably go on a good run to get the hype train going again. Then they face Burnley, Leicester, Juventus and Man Utd and he will get dragged right back down to earth.
How exactly do you measure that?
Even during the ‘Red Rom’ mania when he was signed, I and lots of other people voiced the same misgivings about his game, so our opinions were worth less than those who were in favour, or vice versa?
He was your player, so it was important to how you felt and supported your team. There are Chelsea fans that did not want him and all they still see is his shortcomings. Then you have people that remember how we did not capitalize on our many chances created last year and see that he can help with that. I really hope that he and Timo can start clicking together. The two of them could really help each other's game.
You will always have people that see the worst in a player and people that see the possibilities. As long as the team is doing well, both sides are happy. There is always the possibility Rom could be a complete bust, we are really early in the season. I enjoy the game, I enjoy my team. I block out the negativity from both rival fans and even the nay sayers in our supporters and enjoy the ride even more. When I say I don't care, I mean I don't care if people view him any way they do. I am happy with how we are progressing and that means I am enjoying the moment.
Why the feck have you put Burnley in the latter bracket?
Leicester isn’t exactly pulling up trees this season either
He was often quite ineffective in "big games" for Inter Milan too.
That aspect of his game never changed. Even Inter fans were/are aware of it.
If one was expecting a "big game player", they'd do well to revise their expectations. He will never be an elite #9.
That aspect of his game never changed. Even Inter fans were/are aware of it.
If one was expecting a "big game player", they'd do well to revise their expectations. He will never be an elite #9.
There is no getting away from his record vs top teams. It is what it is. If Chelsea win the title or the CL this season, I doubt many care will about how good or poor Lukaku was vs top teams, especially if he bangs them in vs the rest of the league and gets close to 30 goals in all comps. He will have done his job, in my eyes.
Agreed he’ll have succeeded and been a worthwhile signing for you in that case. I think it’s likely all those goals against weaker teams will add up to make him the right call even with his deficiencies. But it does still leave it open to debate how good he is as an individual. In that sense you’re using him as a limited cog in a system, which is pretty far off what most world class strikers tend to do.
I think if he gets close to 30 goals this season, a couple of them will inevitably end up being vs top teams, so I don't think he's utterly useless against a decent defence, but yeah, how good he actually is will be a debate that will rage on. I tend to stay clear of them because they tend to go from one extreme to the other.
Always remember the price tag.
Lukaku isn’t suddenly going to trap a ball v lower sides, especially in the premier league and get 30 goals. He will struggle v lower blocks and the defensive nature of the side around him won’t do him any favours
Lukaku isn’t suddenly going to trap a ball v lower sides, especially in the premier league and get 30 goals. He will struggle v lower blocks and the defensive nature of the side around him won’t do him any favours
The funny thing is i remember posting about Rom's flaws when he was at United and was jumped on by many posters some on this thread now saying the same things
Yup, I was a huge advocate for signing him. I used to argue with plenty on here that didn't want him. I always maintained that while he had deficiencies, Jose would sort them out in time. How fecking wrong was I
Anyhow, he had a great start, but the longer he was here, the more I saw how awful he could be. I was absolutely dying to get rid of him by the end of his time with us. I guess it was telling that no one gave a flying feck when we flogged him off, and the overwhelming majority were delighted. He also just isn't a very likeable individual who clearly thinks he's far better than he is.
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Chelsea potential problem, looking at the first few games, is that Lukaku proves to be less effective then Werner for their system and overall play. Everyone knows that Werner couldn't score to save his life last season, but his movement and ability to drag the defence all around the pitch is clearly superior to Lukaku, so it opened up all kinds of issues for the opposition, especially if they play with a high line. I mean, there was a reason why Chelsea fans defended Werner to some extent despite him missing shitloads of chances.
So, while Lukaku will indeed provide more goals, Chelsea might be overall easier to defend against and a bit one-dimensional which is the problem that all Lukaku teams had so far (Conte can say what he likes, but Inter was easily stopped in Europe). Juventus game was a bit worrying for them in that sense. Chelsea could play them together, but then they lose a lot of their link-up play upfront and it's far from ideal, at least in bigger games.
Still early days of course, but it will be interesting to see how things will pan out as the season goes.
So, while Lukaku will indeed provide more goals, Chelsea might be overall easier to defend against and a bit one-dimensional which is the problem that all Lukaku teams had so far (Conte can say what he likes, but Inter was easily stopped in Europe). Juventus game was a bit worrying for them in that sense. Chelsea could play them together, but then they lose a lot of their link-up play upfront and it's far from ideal, at least in bigger games.
Still early days of course, but it will be interesting to see how things will pan out as the season goes.
I think the problem is that Chelsea lack creativity within the team for a team to play a striker like Lukaku compared to playing with Havertz or werner like they did last season.
Mount, Kante, alonso, James, Werner, Jorginho (plays deep), Havertz etc.
It's not really just the players- it's that Chelsea play a defensive set up arguably with some quite defensive players.
I wonder how they will sort it out in January.
Personally, until then I'm not that scared about Lukaku vs the smaller clubs all the time for Chelsea.
Mount, Kante, alonso, James, Werner, Jorginho (plays deep), Havertz etc.
It's not really just the players- it's that Chelsea play a defensive set up arguably with some quite defensive players.
I wonder how they will sort it out in January.
Personally, until then I'm not that scared about Lukaku vs the smaller clubs all the time for Chelsea.
Don't make me get the league table out, I'll do it.