Lukaku and Cole have nothing that could link them except playing striker for Utd and being human..
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Cole had the best movement of any striker I have watched at Utd, that was one of the reasons why he got so many chances. The players behind him helped but Cole was electric over the first few yards, had really quick feet, could spin and get a shot off when it did not look on. Very under-rated player, missed a lot of chances but he made the team better. Scored some of the finest strikers goal you could hope to see, people should really watch his goals video on youtube, ridiculously impressive range of goals.
So that means people want him, and by extension Man Utd, to fail?Lukaku is very different from Cole. The latter was more flexible, mobile and had a better movement. Movement is not something that is easy to teach and learn.
Lukaku will score goals. Which is very important. But he is not likely to become world class. Wouldn't be surprised if the next manager wants another type of a CF.
Lukaku will score goals. Which is very important. But he is not likely to become world class. Wouldn't be surprised if the next manager wants another type of a CF.
1 chance in 90 min. You guys should go back in time and see how many chances Berbatov, RVP, RVN, etc get in a game to score goals. 1 chance in 90 min FGS.
Are you comparing the Cole who misses sitter after sitter in his first season and lost us the title on the last day of the season? or Cole the finished article?
Otimedi and silva had one chance in 90 minutes and managed to finish their guilt edged chances. That's all you get in these big games. You don't get 3-4 chances.
His confidence looks shot to pieces.
He needs dropping, but what affect will that have on his already damaged confidence? A very tricky situation for Mourinho.
He needs dropping, but what affect will that have on his already damaged confidence? A very tricky situation for Mourinho.
Yep, it's tedious to read Cole only got chances as he played in an attacking team with good players, he hit 40 goals for Newcastle before he came here, his movement, hold up play and football intelligence was generally a class apart from Lukaku.
He brought so much to the team that you excused the odd miss, I'm getting tired of Lukaku/Cole comparison, really am.
Just watched some of MOTD2. It's been said too many times but it really is unbelievable what a shit game Lukaku had
Barely a single good involvement all game, at fault for both goals we conceded, and put the biggest chance of the game straight at the GK.
Barely a single good involvement all game, at fault for both goals we conceded, and put the biggest chance of the game straight at the GK.
Cole at Newcastle was a superior striker never mind the finished article.
Feel several who were uneasy about the signing in the first place were so because of being aware of his limitations and wondering about whether he would be able to overcome them (count me among those). Most (I hope at least, and I among them), then hoped he'd tear it up for us and show us to be very wrong just like Ibra showed up those who said he was past it.
I'm not sure about the setup issue. To me (and I was watching stadium view showing the entire pitch), his issue isn't one where he's good when running towards goal at all. It's about his ability to work with "limited" space. When he has the freedom of the pitch, he is quick and moves well. When he has, say 10 yards till the defender, his touch can be awful (when I say "can", I mean like 75% of the time at least) and he loses the ball. He also can't hold up play; while this is ok, the issue is he's neither good at winning the first ball, nor the rebound; while Fellaini does both well, most players decide to work on being good on at least one of these aspects. Lukaku somehow contrives to be poor at both.
In summary therefore, he needs space - which means he'd thrive in a counter-attacking setup, but he can't help that setup with the basic skills needed against quality defenders. That's why he scores more against weaker teams where when we break, he's facing poor(er) defenders and has the freedom of the last third (or tap-ins) while against better teams which need a better level of play to create the opportunities and require surgical efficiency in striking, he struggles.
He'll get better and learn from his nightmare against city. He had a decently good game against arsenal where his build up play was very good and scored in midweek as well. He is a goal scorer who needs the ball fed to him rather than holding up the play.
If we get pogba back, have an effective number 10 and wide forwards who are not isolated, he can be absolutely lethal in that set up. The man needs to be supported after a game like this, he'll come good surely.
If we get pogba back, have an effective number 10 and wide forwards who are not isolated, he can be absolutely lethal in that set up. The man needs to be supported after a game like this, he'll come good surely.
I’ve come to accept it.
He’s a bit shit tbh.
He’s a bit shit tbh.
Bet he wishes we were still singing about his donkey sized ding dong now rather than just calling him a full on donkey now
Some really disgraceful overreactions going on here. Lukaku is going through bad form, he had a nightmare against city, but he has still had 12 goals and assists in his first 16 games. United are lacking cohesion all over the pitch, making Lukaku the fall guy is pathetic.
Not very tricky going by Mourinho's record with his number 9s. Lukaku will just have to play himself back into form. Last season people were calling for Mourinho to drop Zlatan when he went through his goal drought and some also thought he should've been subbed more. Mourinho and most managers seldom drop their main forwards and I don't see Rashford or Martial playing that role if he was dropped. Its pretty clear Zlatan is going to be a bit part player from here on
Lukaku is terribely out of form for quite a while now, I noticed that this has been happening since Pogba got injured, Could this be a thing that he plays well when we an attacking mid fielder playing behind him because when Pogba plays he is virtually a roaming number 10, at times Lukaku looks isolated up ahead and yes he has missed the few chances he should have scored which he would have buried like he was doing at the start of the season. I feel that next season we will sign a striker to give us more options and Ibra won't be here next season.
As someone says we could easily recoup 50 million for him.
He is talented but lacks the character.
He needs to be more confident.
He needs to be more confident.
Yes he cost us a lot but the fans need to get behind him. Give him some time. He will come good, im sure of it.
The second goal by City - Lukaku was the only one in the correct spot. If it weren't for the fact that the ball fell to his weaker foot (and the fact that he's not a defender ffs) it would have been an incredible interception.
The game was shiite overall - all 3 goals were soft.
We're having a good season. City is just on a bender; not much that can be done about it rn.
The second goal by City - Lukaku was the only one in the correct spot. If it weren't for the fact that the ball fell to his weaker foot (and the fact that he's not a defender ffs) it would have been an incredible interception.
The game was shiite overall - all 3 goals were soft.
We're having a good season. City is just on a bender; not much that can be done about it rn.
Yes Pogba was a huge miss. With inverted wingers the strength of our build up will always rely heavily on the abilities of the central players and ours are just mediocre at getting the ball to advanced areas. Defenders who are hoof merchants and CMs with limited passing range. Admittedly Lukaku's lack of technical ability compounds matters.
Without Pogba we haven't a single player who can make things happen in a big game like that. Jose will have his checkbook ready no doubt
Actually it's the opposite. Lukaku doesn't strike you as someone lacking in character or personality. He has a great work ethic but technically he comes short of the very best strikers in the world. He will improve with time but I don't think he's a natural born.
He definitely needs someone up close to him. Fortunately we'll usually have Pogba and i do think his return will see Lukaku pick up form.
I think when we don't have Pogba it should be 2 up top to support him more.
nah, he looks nervous to me whenever he has faced big teams for us. It is like he cannot handle the pressure.
Maybe that is just my observation.
He'll score again, in fact, a lot of goals in run of games with our fixtures ahead
Talk of selling him is utterly stupid. What's wrong with some of you?
He'll score goals but the lack of refinement on the ball will keep hurting us in big games.
Can't hold the ball for shite.
He'll score goals but the lack of refinement on the ball will keep hurting us in big games.
Can't hold the ball for shite.
Don't you kind of answer your own question, he is a 75mn striker who can't hack it against big boys, won't you want something better for that sort of money.
At least a sensible post in here.
I do think that it would have been difficult for any striker against City as there was just too much distance between Lukaku and any other player. We seem to drift too far from one another, hoping for that perfect pass instead of creating a chance by many small passes and clever movements. Lingard, Lukaku, Rashford and Martial all looked to be 50 yards from each other at all times. That will never work.
He does have a very erratic touch. When he is on song, he can bully any defender. When he is not, he makes Otamendi look like Maldini.
He should not be isolated waiting long balls.
With everybody fit i would play:
With everybody fit i would play:
DDG
Valencia Bailly Smalling Young
Mata Matic Pogba Martial
Rashford Lukaku
Valencia Bailly Smalling Young
Mata Matic Pogba Martial
Rashford Lukaku
I feel like someone has told him to model his game on Rooney, but Lukaku misunderstood and watched the 30 year old version. His touch is so poor it blows my mind.
Lukaku's job is not just scoring goals, but to provide an outlet when up against posession teams. It is not an easy job, but we would have had better success against city with Fellaini playing no. 9. Lukaku fails to win most headers, and when he does the ball isnt played anywhere near a teammate so we lose the 2nd ball anyway. I am sick of watching him, I generally support our players, and even Fellaini/cleverly etc had my full backing every day, but Lukaku will never win us games single handedly, and so we will never be a dominant team with him.
Get £50m for him in Jan
Lukaku's job is not just scoring goals, but to provide an outlet when up against posession teams. It is not an easy job, but we would have had better success against city with Fellaini playing no. 9. Lukaku fails to win most headers, and when he does the ball isnt played anywhere near a teammate so we lose the 2nd ball anyway. I am sick of watching him, I generally support our players, and even Fellaini/cleverly etc had my full backing every day, but Lukaku will never win us games single handedly, and so we will never be a dominant team with him.
Get £50m for him in Jan
What an immature and terrible comment.
Especially considering the amount of vitriol that’s been thrown Lukaku’s way since the goal - a large amount of it being racial.
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Anyway, Lukaku isn't a long ball striker.
Despite his height and size that has never been his strength, Everton didn't play with wingers, and didn't feed him long balls also. He interchanged with their other attacking forwards to stretch defenders all over the place and open up spaces. That's largely what we were doing in the first 6 games or so and it worked fantastically well.
If Lukaku is to be a success then it needs to be with better passing, to allow him to run onto the ball from the shoulder of the last defender, or play with his back to the goal and roll the defender and shoot.
That's how you get the best out of him, not this hoof football.
Wow. I don't know how people get through everyday life with a mentality like this.
I don't think he played so well to get 50 Million bonus, not even Messi gets such big bonus, as it is he is getting over 150K per week.If he doesn't score against Bournemouth (no hiding behind key passes or assists, should be goals) or drops another 1/10 performance, serious questions need to be asked. Would be a slump gone far too long.
Suggestions of selling him in January are not only ridiculous but genuinely completely insane. You would really have to struggle to keep in touch with reality to think that, selling our top scoring, star striker, who we bought this summer for 90m, after his first rough patch of form, is a good idea.
That said he has been awful for a while and that's not even the biggest issue I have with him. It's his attitude. He just seems to enter games completely unfocused which is not something he can be doing at the top level.
He also seems to be a really patchy player. Play well, link up wonderfully and score in 11 games in a row and then struggle to control a football for a couple months. It's like watching Wayne around his prime.
That said he has been awful for a while and that's not even the biggest issue I have with him. It's his attitude. He just seems to enter games completely unfocused which is not something he can be doing at the top level.
He also seems to be a really patchy player. Play well, link up wonderfully and score in 11 games in a row and then struggle to control a football for a couple months. It's like watching Wayne around his prime.
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Lukaku is undoubtedly the worst performer in the team just now and has been for a number of weeks, must be incredibly disheartening for someone like Mkhitaryan to watch on by while Lukaku gets preferential treatment!!!
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He's already here and he will score goals.
It's not as if his game can't improve.
He's 24.
What do you suggest?
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