Come on, no one in the UK government or wider European political sphere sanctioned him for that.
Roman Abramovich plans to sell Chelsea | SOLD for £4.25BN
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Its all double standards. If these people really gave a shit about what they sprllew the likes of American owners up and down the league would have ended up with sanctions after the shit their governments pulled in IRAQ with the myth of WMDS. This is all a game of scoring cheap geo political points. Nothing to do with morals let alone humanitarian care
How? You take control of the club, give 51% ownership back to the fans and sell the remaining 49%, giving the proceeds to Ukraine.
The UK were in Iraq with the US
Are they gonna sanction all business owners for their own decisions?
Not sure you thought this one through Chief.
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This is why Amanda Staveley spoke out in favour of Abramovich, this could easily happen to Newcastle and it probably should and I imagine this scares them quite a lot. I've said it a few times in this thread, I feel very sorry for Chelsea fans, none of us have a say in who owns our clubs, but if this stops dirty money being invested in the UK and the EPL then I am all for it.
It would set a precedent contrary to how the league is currently structured. I don't really think the UK govt or PL would want it.
It's not - I am arguing that so much capital moved from Russia to Europe.
We are all in this. Chelsea is not worse or better than other investments, funded by Russian money.
Also it is fair to question why a prime minister is elevating one oligarch to the house of lords while the other one is being sanctioned?
(At some point decisions like these need to be comparable on the same scale.)
We will see, I guess-
erm, yes you clearly are, and you repeat it in the very next line of text.
Me neither.
He has and he even went to Moscow in 2008
I feel bad for him as a mate, rather than as a Chelsea fan per se, because football is a much bigger part of his life than it is mine.
Yeah I completely understand that feeling, but still, my mate is quite a sensitive soul.
I wouldn't be to worried if it's the Saudis/Emiratis/Kuwaitis/Israelis.
I'd be worried if my club was taken over by an Iranian or Turks or Kim Jong Un.
He has and he even went to Moscow in 2008
I feel bad for him as a mate, rather than as a Chelsea fan per se, because football is a much bigger part of his life than it is mine.
I still don’t get why? He still has Chelsea, it aint going anywhere?
Do you feel sorry that his football team might suddenly be run a little differently? I don’t get what’s to feel sorry about. Does he feel sorry for you that United no longer win the league most seasons?
I guess you're not big on empathy.
He's got a great username too.
As good of an idea this sounds in isolation, luckily we have laws in place to prevent the Government from seizing & selling off someone's possessions on a whim and without a fair trial put in place. Otherwise all of us would be at risk at any time and there would be nothing to stop it.
eh?
It’s a football club, that will continue to be a huge football club.
What am I empathising over?
Do you empathise every time they get a bad result or don’t manage to get the player they wanted in the transfer market?
We’ve had a much worse ownership situation, where the club itself was leveraged, Chelsea won’t have anything remotely like that. No football fans feel sorry for us, we still have our club, we still spend money, and just like Chelsea we still have it better than 99% of all other clubs in the football pyramid, we’re just a bit shit.
They just need a court to say the money used to buy Chelsea was derived from the proceeds of crime. Which could a bit more difficult than it sounds, but worth a go.
Talk of missing the point. We didn't see a single western rich businness tycoon who aided the rogue activities of USA and UK in IRAQ sanctioned for the self same damage and suffering that Ukrainians are going through right now thanks to rogue geo politic actions. If you can't see why that is hypocrisy 101. I don't see what more anyone can say to you.The UK were in Iraq with the US
Are they gonna sanction all business owners for their own decisions?
It’s more than pathetic. It’s disgusting and abhorrent.
Look at the atrocities over in Ukraine, and people here are whinging about how they’re having to suffer because their football club is being sanctioned. They wouldn’t know suffering if it slapped them in the face.
The level to which people put football before everything else is shocking to say the least.
Perspective needed.
Well yes, that's the point - the court would have to find RA guilty, only after a fair trial where both sides provide evidence. It can't (and shouldn't) be done just on a whim.
Are you playing daft?
How can a UK government go to war in Iraq, and then sanction business owners for them going to war in Iraq? What the feck are you smoking Chief?
Maybe edit your post and ask why didn’t a French or Italian club sanction an American or UK owner for the war in Iraq.
Popping back into this thread after about 12 hours to see new Chelsea fans popping up with their wonderful whataboutisms and apology of Roman.
This thread is very much the meme "tell me you don't understand sanctions/haven't read the sanctions without telling me you don't understand sanctions/haven't read the sanctions".
This thread is very much the meme "tell me you don't understand sanctions/haven't read the sanctions without telling me you don't understand sanctions/haven't read the sanctions".
Maybe we should have our own Redcafe list of sanctioned Chelsea posters
how much money do chelsea have in the bank?
i.e. how long before they go bust
i.e. how long before they go bust
You clearly don’t understand the difference between an oligarch in Russia and a business owner in the west.
American business owners don’t launder their brutal dictator’s money and their wealth is not as a direct result of their links to said dictator.
You’re comparing apples with oranges and your example is nowhere near like for like.
They have found evidence though?
If only Arsenal fan Jeremy Corbyn were Prime Minister
Woooooooah
Woooooooah
They said yesterday on SkySports that as of their last accounts they only had 16 million cash which isn't enough to even cover one month of wages, their last accounts were some time ago though, I can't remember when they said they were last published.
Have they proved it in court?
Some Chelsea fan suggested to UK should be regressed to the 1500's due to war crimes committed through history...The UK were in Iraq with the US
Are they gonna sanction all business owners for their own decisions?
Not sure you thought this one through Chief.
It's not that straight forward, since 2017 unexplained wealth orders (UWOs) have been introduced. They basically mean that when they are issued recipients have to explain where the money came from, if they fail to do this assets can be seized. So far they have hardly been used at all but this would be a good time to do it. The downside of them is the high cost if you get it wrong as they are 'loser pays' so if you have wealthy defendent like Abramovich covering his costs could quickly mount up.
Not sure they have to or if that is how it works?
He literally bought shares in a steel company, 8 days before the invasion, that manufactures weapons and tanks for Russia military?
That’s down on record.
There’s an argument for sure that some Western countries could/should have sanctioned the UK and US for the war in Iraq, but suggesting the UK itself should’ve sanctioned American owners was a bit extra special.
I’ve heard £16m but that seems very low?!
And if the UK wasn't totally compliant in the war then maybe they should, but they're not exactly going to sanction themselves for a war they thought was valid at the time.There’s an argument for sure that some Western countries could/should have sanctioned the UK and US for the war in Iraq, but suggesting the UK itself should’ve sanctioned American owners was a bit extra special.
Even if American owners got sanctioned, it wouldn't affect us all that much except the Glazers would probably lose the club and they couldn't take money out anymore. They'd actually be doing us a favour.
His assets have been frozen, and they can't be sold off without him agreeing to it & getting nothing in return, or him being found guilty in court at which point they will be sold off. That's where we are now.
The original proposal was for the Government to be able to seize & sell off assets without someone getting a chance to defend themselves or agree to it in the first place. That's a dangerous precedent which doesn't belong in a democratic country, because it can very quickly lead to corruption.
Of course it's how it works, why would they not have to prove it in court?
Before they seize assets? The fact they’ve already done it?
let’s say you’re carrying a huge sum of money and the police stop you. They’re allowed to take that money from you until you can prove it’s yours and and obtained legally.
The law is pretty consistent at all levels with this? That’s what seizing is. Roman is allowed to fight this, nobody has said he isn’t.
I think you're getting a bit carried away here. Was thinking I might drop him a text cos I haven't spoken to him since I left London. I'm not lighting candles or having a whip-round.
In the grand scheme of things we will be fine. However football is secondary right now and the government are entitled to apply sanctions however they feel necessary.
Roman Abramovich has been amazing for Chelsea. It’s hard to predict where it will go from here as it’s only a guessing game however I’d imagine the club, played and fans will have an answer before the 31st May. It surely won’t carry on that long.
The war in Ukraine must take priority and rightly so. Moaning about football seems foolish right now but I suppose it’s a good distraction from the crisis in Ukraine.
I stand by what Roman Abramovich has done for Chelsea. He has developed the club to another level and the academy is absolutely incredible. However we must move on now and it’s best not having any negative associations regardless of evidence. We could easily flourish as a club with developing young talent and older heads like Thiago Silva and hopefully never wasting money on players like Lukaku again.
It’s fair to be thankful but accept moving on.
Roman Abramovich has been amazing for Chelsea. It’s hard to predict where it will go from here as it’s only a guessing game however I’d imagine the club, played and fans will have an answer before the 31st May. It surely won’t carry on that long.
The war in Ukraine must take priority and rightly so. Moaning about football seems foolish right now but I suppose it’s a good distraction from the crisis in Ukraine.
I stand by what Roman Abramovich has done for Chelsea. He has developed the club to another level and the academy is absolutely incredible. However we must move on now and it’s best not having any negative associations regardless of evidence. We could easily flourish as a club with developing young talent and older heads like Thiago Silva and hopefully never wasting money on players like Lukaku again.
It’s fair to be thankful but accept moving on.
In the context of the law, his assets have been frozen until proof of criminality can be found in court - or he forfeits them.
The original suggestion was for the Government to sell said assets without the accused agreeing to the sale, or being given a chance in court to defend themselves.
How that would work in your example is the police are able to take money off you based on an accusation, and you never see that money again.