There may be value in keeping him dependant upon his contribution and what that may yield. However, the cost of keeping is not £5m. Nowhere near it.
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There may be value in keeping him dependant upon his contribution and what that may yield. However, the cost of keeping is not £5m. Nowhere near it.
what makes you think he won't give 100% ??
Van Persie never said he want to leave . Arsenal puts him on the spot to sign a new contract . He still got 1 jear left , and alot can happen .
What are the odds that Arsenal finish top 4 without RVP?
15%?
What are the odds that they finish top 4 with RVP?
85%?
The cost of missing out on the CL is a large figure, I don't know exactly but some quote 40 mil pounds a year difference to what you earn in the Europa League. It may be more now that the CL payments have increased.
Not only does Arsenal risk losing that money in one season without RVP, falling out of the top 4 may make it harder to lure targets.
Keeping RVP gives Arsenal a great chance of making the top 4 and meanwhile they have a year to search for top players to replace RVP's influence while you still have a CL place to brag about.
I don't see anyone making a bid worth the potential risks.
15%?
What are the odds that they finish top 4 with RVP?
85%?
The cost of missing out on the CL is a large figure, I don't know exactly but some quote 40 mil pounds a year difference to what you earn in the Europa League. It may be more now that the CL payments have increased.
Not only does Arsenal risk losing that money in one season without RVP, falling out of the top 4 may make it harder to lure targets.
Keeping RVP gives Arsenal a great chance of making the top 4 and meanwhile they have a year to search for top players to replace RVP's influence while you still have a CL place to brag about.
I don't see anyone making a bid worth the potential risks.
If Arsenal aren't looking to sell why is he not going on tour?
You pulled those per cents out of nowhere.
What are Arsenal's chances of a top 4 finish in 2014 then with no replacement because they don't take the money now? 0%? Minus 30?
Extended break after the euros?
But I agree they wouldn't leave him out if they had no intension of selling. Just curious but seeing as Chelsea have a buy into the ucl as winners do asnl have to play a qualifying game?
We'll finish top 4 with or without RvP. The bookies have it at 67% and they've already factored in him going.
Isn't it Chelsea what take the forth spot? Which means it will be Chelsea that have to go through the qualifying, no?
Champions League winner goes straight to the group stage. This year all the English teams have qualified for the groups due to that - City, United and Arsenal due to finishing in the top 3 and Chelsea for winning it.
Chelsea finished 6th, but they won it so they automatically get in the group phase.
Both go straight to the group stage.
I agree.
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My point was that there was a logic to it, despite the laughing and suggestion that it was the stupidest thing ever posted (or whatever was said).
So not only would he be told he cant leave, but he'd be punished by removing the armband
Talk about demoralising and demotivating a player. You cant expect he'd perform to the level of a £15 million player next season so what would be the point in keeping him? You have 2 new strikers anyway.
feck the player.
The job of the management and the club is to improve the squad, not decrease the quality while strengthening a rival. And i know most on here will say that we're no longer direct rivals and there may be truth in that but that's got to be the aim of the club if it's got any ambition whatsoever.
I know it's Wenger's ambition, whether it's Silent fecking Stan's is another matter entirely. But they've got to be seen to not just bend immediately to the willl of a player who's collected a large amount from his previous contracts while on the treatment table.
The potential financial losses are small amounts long term compared to giving the message that any time someone wants to leave we're more than willing to facilitate them, especially for the derisory sums being offered.
He's a professional footballer whom i'd expect to act like a professional, and for someone whose decision to leave has nothing to do with money i've yet to see him hand in a transfer request.
Meet in the middle, 20 mil, done deal.
You can say feck the player, but how do you expect him to be worth turning down a transfer fee?
Are there actually any examples of a club keeping a player against their will, and coming out the better for it, becoming one of the top clubs in the country?
Usually when a team makes that step up its because they have sold and bought well with the money they got in, and a squad full of players who want to be there. An example is Dortmund who have a policy of getting rid of anyone who looks like they might upset the applecart.
On the other hand we have Spurs and Arsenal forcing players to stay and getting worse over time rather than improving to become clubs these kinds of players want to stay at.
Is there an example of a team who constantly sells top players to rivals becoming the top club in the country?
Dortmund sell abroad, not to Bayern. It's not a smiliar situation, the one you've described at Dortmund is similar to Arsenal 1997-2004 but the landscape changed with Chelsea and now City. If there were similar bankrolled clubs in Germany Dortmund would soon be in our position.
I think Arsenal would prefer to sell for 17-18m to Juve rather than 20-22m to Utd/City.
What Klopp had to say and what I'm refering to. Not selling Sahin to Madrid when they were already champions
They might as well just draw names out of a hat, the way they pick captain at Arsenal.
Few clubs, Spurs apart, seem to want to risk keeping players who don't want to be there when they can go for free at the end of the season. So if a decent offer is received they tend to sell. Given the interest in RVP I'd guess that at least one bid of 17-20 mill will be made which, if it is the highest bid, should secure his signature. Obviously this can be complicated by the club's and player's preferred transfer destination (cash=City, guaranteed playing opportunity = United/Juventus, not selling to an English club = Juventus). City also might be reticent to sign yet another expensive striker when they can't get rid of 3 or more that they already have.
So who knows? I certainly wouldn't bet on him coming to United even if it is far from certain. I think United offered 15 mill and Arsenal want 25 (Wenger 30 mill) but if United bid 20 ish I'd be surprised if it were turned down.
So who knows? I certainly wouldn't bet on him coming to United even if it is far from certain. I think United offered 15 mill and Arsenal want 25 (Wenger 30 mill) but if United bid 20 ish I'd be surprised if it were turned down.
Would you put in 100% if you knew that you were leaving your job in the not so distant future? Would you also try your best if you knew that getting an injury would mean you getting no contract with your current employer or with a future employer?
Arsenal will not give him another contract if he gets injured during the up coming season and no other team is going to take on a 30 year old with an injury. Van Persie could end next season with no contract with anyone, so that is why I can not see him giving 100%.
Arsene is being unreasonable. The lad had only win an fa cup and a charity shield in england. No wonder he wants to move to a bigger club. One question for you lads. If we sign robin does that mean that our wayne is in fact batman?
Nah, he's also robbin', what with being a scouser and all.
cringe...
cringe...
If Batman has pubes on his head then yes.
To be honest both wayne and batman used ti live in a city filled with crime. The plot tickens
Rio is the Joker...
gill would be two-face
I did pull those out of my ass, thus the question mark, I'm asking what people think.
I'd think Arsenal would be in trouble for want of anyone to finish off their moves, though considering their main rival for 4th is Spurs I suppose I should give them at least a 50-50 shot even without RVP.
I suppose if they can get Ba for 7mil then getting 15mil for RVP won't be so bad. Now that you mention it, sacrificing RVPs fee for an extra year to find a replacement does seem like a high price, with all the scouting these days they should be read for such a contingency.
You can look back one season and take Modric - his mind was so turned that he was left out of a match. Sure he came around eventually - but it did cost Spurs points before he did
Bruce Wayne Rooney?
If Arsenal have no injury problems this year, I think they can still finish 4th above Spurs and Newcastle even without RVP.
Don't take it to personal but I hope your joke was unintentional because after yesterday's tragic massacre in Denver your wording was extremely tasteless.
Sorry - didn't even think about it. I was merely thinking of Rio as the one who always have the practical jokes.....
Do many of us honestly think van Persie will sign for utd??
Spurs are much better then you.
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