Robin van Persie

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The Taurean said:
I would like a view of their income-expenditure stats, and % of the wages involved.
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Revenue for 2010/11 (ending with June 30th, 2011) was 161,8m, down from 209,8m in 2009/10. The loss increased to 95m (all figues in EUR).
They had spend the season in Stadio Olimpico though, so it was to be expected. They own their stadium now and their new accounts (couldn't find them) will be MUCH better.

Couldn't find exact figues on wages, but they are reported to be around 140m EUR. Not exactly healthy and even with their new stadium I'm not sure they could afford giving RvP 220k a week...
 
Guy Incognito said:
The last thing Arsenal need is him doing a u-turn. I think if Juventus stump up the cash, he would go there, otherwise Citeh.
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His statement wasn't entirely dissimilar to Rooney's a couple of years ago. If the two incidents happened a bit nearer to one another, everyone would be screaming it's just agent shenanigans, as seemed to be in vogue at the time.

Still, I wouldn't rule out a u-turn.
 
RvP managed to stay injury free for an entire season once. But I would be very hesitant about spending a very limited transfer budget on a player who has so rarely managed to do that, especially to strengthen in a position where we are already strong.
 
I've just had a text off someone who told me Scholes was coming back in mid December but I didn't believe him but he has said that RVP is coming to Utd, supposedly from Giggs but I'm sceptical
 
PatrickE239 said:
I've just had a text off someone who told me Scholes was coming back in mid December but I didn't believe him but he has said that RVP is coming to Utd, supposedly from Giggs but I'm sceptical
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Tell me who it is so I can hunt him down and beat the shit out of him for ya. :devil:
 
Anduin said:
Revenue for 2010/11 (ending with June 30th, 2011) was 161,8m, down from 209,8m in 2009/10. The loss increased to 95m (all figues in EUR).
They had spend the season in Stadio Olimpico though, so it was to be expected. They own their stadium now and their new accounts (couldn't find them) will be MUCH better.

Couldn't find exact figues on wages, but they are reported to be around 140m EUR. Not exactly healthy and even with their new stadium I'm not sure they could afford giving RvP 220k a week...
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Yep. Looking in our club finance related thread, Juventus have one of the highest wages to turnover ratio. Even with the likely improvement in income, its hard to fathom another addition of high salaried player.
Well, who knows how the tabs of these clubs work! specially in light of events in Italy.
 
The Taurean said:
Yep. Looking in our club finance related thread, Juventus have one of the highest wages to turnover ratio. Even with the likely improvement in income, its hard to fathom another addition of high salaried player.
Well, who knows how the tabs of these clubs work! specially in light of events in Italy.
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swiss ramble has quite a good up to date piece on juve and milan. Italian finances are horrific at the top clubs.

Inter are terrible as well and are without CL revenue. I am surprised more noise has not been made of them trying to dump sneijder.

Juve own their stadium outright but have to be propped up by exor because they have stadium debt, high wages, and want to spend this summer in bringing atleast one 'world class' player (in addition to already buying isla and asamoah).
 
PatrickE239 said:
I've just had a text off someone who told me Scholes was coming back in mid December but I didn't believe him but he has said that RVP is coming to Utd, supposedly from Giggs but I'm sceptical
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Brilliant.:lol:
 
PatrickE239 said:
I've just had a text off someone who told me Scholes was coming back in mid December but I didn't believe him but he has said that RVP is coming to Utd, supposedly from Giggs but I'm sceptical
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You just got the text now...
 
PatrickE239 said:
I've just had a text off someone who told me Scholes was coming back in mid December but I didn't believe him but he has said that RVP is coming to Utd, supposedly from Giggs but I'm sceptical
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I am sure Fergie trusts Giggs explicitly, but our Ryan is as in the know as i am. Absolutely fecking 0. I think we would be interested but it would be tough to fit RVP/Rooney/Kagawa in the same starting line-up.

2 people know who our targets are. Only one of them is on Redcafe. I believe he goes under the moniker "SAF4eva_innit".
 
PatrickE239 said:
I said I was sceptical. Bloody hell.

I thought I would just share it. I'm no more ITK than my mum.
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Welcome to the transfer forum. The best type of post is to not post at all...

I've violated my only rule in telling you this...
 
This signing just doesn't make sense for any financially reasonable buyer - the money being demanded is just crazy for a 29 year old that only has one long term injury-free season under his belt.

Has there been any interest from PSG? Wouldn't be surprised if they went for him.

EDIT: just seen an article of Ancelotti denying any interest.
 
The only way I see us getting him is if he stays true to his word and is going for trophies and not cash. We'd surely be in for him @ 130-150k per week, and a 15 million fee. (Beats his 90k current deal by a mile too).

That's 30 million wages (7,5m / year) + 15 million fee = 45 million over 4 years.
If we sold him for say 7.5 million after 3 years (aged 31~), we wouldn't have to pay for his last years wages and would get 3 years for 30 million. If we kept him it would be 11 million per year for 4 years.

The numbers aren't that bad (for us or him!). But I seriously doubt he's going to look at us twice if he sees that offer. Juventus really need a world class striker and he'd be there main man. For City, Aguero, Balotelli, Tevez etc aren't exactly easy players to win starts off in 1-2 years time when he's in his 30's. From what SAF did to Berbatov this year; benching him despite him probably being able to churn out better performances this season (in the short term) than the 21 yr old Welbeck/Hernandez (24), because Berbatov in his 30's and isn't going to be playing for us soon anyways; tells me that he'll really have to rate RvP, because in 2-3 years time the 'now vs future' argument will be in full flow just like it was for the 10/11 golden boot winner (vs Welbeck/Chicharito).
 
As for RvP's decision, for his career it's probably right.

The cumulative losses of losing Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy (in order of importance) really hurts them. Whilst the team isn't going to totally fall off the rails after losing him, I don't see them coming in the top 3 next season. If there's a bad start or a bad patch for them that comes close to rivalling last seasons's, I think that they could be like Chelsea and come 6th (but NOT win the CL).

They have lots of 'good' players still, but they are woefully weak in the full back positions (esp after Sagna is injured) and permanently on the LB position. Rarely incisive on the wings etc etc. Whereas Tottenham are strengthening in the positions they need to, and if they do manage to keep Modric (and Bale), they'll have 2 of the 3 most sought after players in London (you can't really hope to nab Chelsea's best players, can you?) alongside Wilshere. Plus the first team of Tottenham i'd argue is better than Arsenal's after Vertonghen and Adebayor as well as Modric and Bale join/stay. Quite easily too.
 
Fergie only has probably 2-3 years left... This could be - possibly - an opportunity he will want to seize. Papers seem to think we are keen but I suppose they are mostly clueless
 
Vibhas said:
As for RvP's decision, for his career it's probably right.

The cumulative losses of losing Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy (in order of importance) really hurts them. Whilst the team isn't going to totally fall off the rails after losing him, I don't see them coming in the top 3 next season. If there's a bad start or a bad patch for them that comes close to rivalling last seasons's, I think that they could be like Chelsea and come 6th (but NOT win the CL).

They have lots of 'good' players still, but they are woefully weak in the full back positions (esp after Sagna is injured) and permanently on the LB position. Rarely incisive on the wings etc etc. Whereas Tottenham are strengthening in the positions they need to, and if they do manage to keep Modric (and Bale), they'll have 2 of the 3 most sought after players in London (you can't really hope to nab Chelsea's best players, can you?) alongside Wilshere. Plus the first team of Tottenham i'd argue is better than Arsenal's after Vertonghen and Adebayor as well as Modric and Bale join/stay. Quite easily too.
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We have been hearing that for last 5 seasons.
 
Apparantly he might stay. Bit of a Rooney saga if you ask me.

I hope he does stay at Arsenal - don't want him at United.
 
JakeC said:
It's true now though, without a doubt.
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Last time we played Spurs they got a two goal lead with a deflection and a blatent dive for a penalty and we still caned them 5-2. Even in the games we've lost over the last couple of years they've been outplayed. And they always fold up against the better teams whereas we are quite capable of beating City, Chelsea or Man Utd.
 
peterstorey said:
Last time we played Spurs they got a two goal lead with a deflection and a blatent dive for a penalty and we still caned them 5-2. Even in the games we've lost over the last couple of years they've been outplayed. And they always fold up against the better teams whereas we are quite capable of beating City, Chelsea or Man Utd.
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Since the 2009 game at the Emirates, bar your home game in 2010/11 you've been completely outclassed and dominated by United with a couple of humiliating losses along the way. I'd say you're verging on the spurs level against us if not slightly worse.
 
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