Robin van Persie

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I can understand why people have worries or doubts about Van Persie, I have my own. I just know that if he does sign I'll be excited though, I just hope that it doesn't disrupt the team too much and force too many players to play out of position.

There's no doubt he's a quality player though.
 
I'm always right said:
And considering how well Danny can play in a wider role, I would discount him getting plenty of game time in a 4-3-3 too. For example:


Code: 
[CENTER]Rooney
Welbeck         RVP
Kagawa

Cleverley    Carrick[/CENTER]

There are literally tonnes of possibilities for all our players to force a way into any formation even if RVP ends up here.
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Which means dropping Nani and Valencia, the 2 best wingers in the Premiership.
 
Cina said:
Which means dropping Nani and Valencia, the 2 best wingers in the Premiership.
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Trigg said:
And playing two players as wingers, who aren't wingers.
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Read the fecking post lads.

I wouldn't discount him getting plenty of game time in a 4-3-3 too.

There are literally tonnes of possibilities for all our players to force a way into any formation even if RVP ends up here.
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Obviously Nani and Valencia would be the first choice there, although in the 4-3-3 we may end up playing in big games this year, I have a feeling that Valencia may well not take one of those attacking roles.
 
Cina said:
DDG
Valencia - Rio - Vidic - Evra
Nani - Kagawa - Young
RVP - Rooney - Welbeck​

feck midfielders, we'll do it the anti-Spain way :drool:
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Difference is, I think there's a chance my formation/set-up will actually get used a couple of times, even if just in experiment.
 
Cina said:
Yeah but, you're leaving out our 2 best wingers, not cool.
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feck me Cina I really do think you want to have Nani's babies.

I absolutely adore the guy and think he's our best player, but you really do jump on every single post where there's a possibility that someone is not giving him the credit he deserves.

It's just a bloody example of the fact that Welbeck (and you can quote me on this) will get games even in a 4-3-3 set-up. It aint my first team.
 
Maybe we will play Valencia at right back and turn Nani into a left back. We might be able to accommodate all our best players then.
 
Personally I hope you guys don't sign him. I want you to come back and stop City - and I'd rather see your money spent on another midfielder (a Keane, Toure type) but nonetheless he would be an awesome partner for Rooney - but as an England fan I want to see Welbeck get games so...

(I know some of you have been working out how to play all 3 but personally I think thats daft)
 
Coxy said:
(I know some of you have been working out how to play all 3 but personally I think thats daft)
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I don't think anyone is "working out how to play all 3", as in how do we get them all into the team, most of us won't want that for the most part. What posters are saying is this, there are plenty of opportunities for all players to force their way into the 2 systems we will see next year, 4-4-2 and 4-3-3. Welbeck is also excellent in a wide forward role so has a good a chance as any for game time.
 
Cina said:
Oh my god, you're leaving out our 2 best wingers? Not cool.

I'm amazed you haven't figured this out by now /trollface
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Well I'm amazed you couldn't figure out my first post on the matter was simply an example. And I'll be more amazed if you actually think there's a chance that won't try it in a game or 2, we all know he loves an experiment.

See, everyone's amazed. :D
 
I'm always right said:
feck me Cina I really do think you want to have Nani's babies.

I absolutely adore the guy and think he's our best player, but you really do jump on every single post where there's a possibility that someone is not giving him the credit he deserves.

It's just a bloody example of the fact that Welbeck (and you can quote me on this) will get games even in a 4-3-3 set-up. It aint my first team.
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He's right, though. We rely on wingers. We've got the best wingers in the league. We're not going to abandon two of the best wide players in the league to accomodate an extra striker. That's silly.

Coxy said:
Personally I hope you guys don't sign him. I want you to come back and stop City - and I'd rather see your money spent on another midfielder (a Keane, Toure type) but nonetheless he would be an awesome partner for Rooney - but as an England fan I want to see Welbeck get games so...

(I know some of you have been working out how to play all 3 but personally I think thats daft)
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It's wishful thinking from people. If Van Persie does come, he just goes into the list of strikers that will fit into those two slots of striker up top and one in behind him. We aren't going to play three strikers up top unless one of them is shifted out wide as a winger and the other two in the centre.

This signing (if it goes through) will not, IMO, change the way we play. It will just give us more options and help us implement our system better.
 
charleysurf said:
I think this is a crazy transfer. It addresses an issue we did not have, and leaves the central midfield and left back situations unresolved.

But the team and the fans need some kind of shot in the arm. So if its this or nothing then I guess it will have to be this.
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Rooney gets injured, and we're all going to 'have a bad time.'

Having welbeck as 2nd choice striker in any formation, leaves a lot to be desired; he's not up to the goalscoring burden yet, imo.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
He's right, though. We rely on wingers. We've got the best wingers in the league. We're not going to abandon two of the best wide players in the league to accomodate an extra striker. That's silly.
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Are you also a little slow this morning? I simply said, this formation is a possibility and it will not doubt be trailed in a game or two, make no mistake about it.

We won't be playing 4-4-2 in every game next season.

It won't be our first choice though and I never said it would be, nor do I want it to be.

And one final thing.... if you think SAF is gonna have a set first 11 and system for next season, you're braindead. We'll see:


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[CENTER]Hernandez  RVP

Welbeck Carrick Cleverley Valencia[/CENTER]


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[CENTER]Rooney  RVP

Nani Carrick Cleverley Valencia[/CENTER]

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[CENTER]RVP
Kagawa
Rooney Anderson Scholes Nani[/CENTER]

Code: 
[CENTER]RVP
Rooney     Nani
Kagawa
Carrick Scholes[/CENTER]

and a million other examples....
 
I'm always right said:
Well I'm amazed you couldn't figure out my first post on the matter was simply an example. And I'll be more amazed if you actually think there's a chance that won't try it in a game or 2, we all know he loves an experiment.
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As amol said, we are the most ridiculously reliant team on our wingers on the entire planet, we may as well put luminous tops on them that say "pass only to me, everyone else is shit", therefore, while we may try that formation in 'a game or 2', I don't think it's anything that will ever stick, because SAF loves wingers, in fact I'm pretty sure when he tries to sleep at night he counts all the wingers in our team/we're trying to sign jumping over a fence, because there's more of them than there are sheep in the world.
 
Cina said:
As amol said, we are the most ridiculously reliant team on our wingers on the entire planet, we may as well put luminous tops on them that say "pass only to me, everyone else is shit", therefore, while we may try that formation in 'a game or 2', I don't think it's anything that will ever stick, because SAF loves wingers, in fact I'm pretty sure when he tries to sleep at night he counts all the wingers in our team/we're trying to sign jumping over a fence, because there's more of them than there are sheep in the world.
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We won't rely on them as much with Kagawa and RVP though, that's the point. And see my post above, what you and amol fail to understand is that SAF loves a tinker. We'll be playing lots of different players in lots of different systems next season.

The idea that we'll stick to 4-4-2 and that Valencia, Nani, Rooney and RVP will play every game is retarded so say the least. I'm almost certain that SAF will want to play 4-2-3-1 in plenty of big games, and then he's already got a dilemma on his hands, a dilemma that usually results in Rooney being played on the left.... or did I just imagine that happening a tonne of times in the past??
 
Nah I'm sorry there's a difference between the odd tinker or few a season and plenty of game time in a 433. We rarely play a 433/451 without wingers. feck that, we rarely ever play games without wingers unless they're out injured or the game doesn't matter. So where does this feeling that we're suddenly going to employ winger-less formations/line ups for a good part of the season actually come from?

And to be honest, these lots of examples aren't going to happen. This isn't football manager nor are we Barcelona who play 5 formations a season. I see us sticking to what works for us i.e variations of the 4411. We might go with the 451 that has worked in Europe as well but I can't see it with two strikers as part of our wide players as often as you think.
 
Cina said:
As amol said, we are the most ridiculously reliant team on our wingers on the entire planet, we may as well put luminous tops on them that say "pass only to me, everyone else is shit", therefore, while we may try that formation in 'a game or 2', I don't think it's anything that will ever stick, because SAF loves wingers, in fact I'm pretty sure when he tries to sleep at night he counts all the wingers in our team/we're trying to sign jumping over a fence, because there's more of them than there are sheep in the world.
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I think the Kagawa signing will help us a lot with this, though. I sincerely hope, that it's a case of 'we were the most ridiculously reliant team on our wingers in the entire planet' because Shinji is epic through the middle. The amount of time's he (and even Nani) have played through players in the friendlies has been obscene; even against decent Hannover 96. Of course, it'll be harder against the PL teams, but at least we'll have the threat of balls through the middle, with Nani, Kagawa and Rooney (RvP too!) especially being such clever players, with the execution to play the tidy 1-2's etc, I think we'll do very well through the centre. Rooney may not have put us through last season, but you can bet Kagawa and Nani will put him through plenty of times this season. Plus, with those 2 actually possessing great movement, you can be sure even Wayne will get more direct assists this season, again through the middle.

Nani, Kagawa, Rooney, Valencia, RvP are some of the most fearsome attackers around; a combination of 4 of them will be very hard to stop, both on the wings and centrally. We'll be getting a lot of assists from Kagawa this season, me thinks. An added dimension to our attack, if you will; plus being more defensively sound with the 4231 we'll be able to employ for the tougher games!

We'll be much harder to stop by merely doubling up on our wingers; Kagawa's such a tidy and clever player, Wayne'll be licking his lips at the amount of time's he'll be played through on goal!
 
I'm always right said:
We won't rely on them as much with Kagawa and RVP though, that's the point. And see my post above, what you and amol fail to understand is that SAF loves a tinker. We'll be playing lots of different players in lots of different systems next season.

The idea that we'll stick to 4-4-2 and that Valencia, Nani, Rooney and RVP will play every game is retarded so say the least.
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We already did that in the last couple of seasons and in my opinion that what kept us at the top, considering that other teams had a better first 11 than us. I think Wenger commented on this on the eve of Champions League final with Barca. Unfortunately on that day there were no surprises and the team that played Barca in the final was easily predictable,
 
Right so...I've just dropped into this thread for the first time since yesterday afternoon. I'm taking it there's been absolutely no movement ?
 
Cina said:
As amol said, we are the most ridiculously reliant team on our wingers on the entire planet, we may as well put luminous tops on them that say "pass only to me, everyone else is shit", therefore, while we may try that formation in 'a game or 2', I don't think it's anything that will ever stick, because SAF loves wingers, in fact I'm pretty sure when he tries to sleep at night he counts all the wingers in our team/we're trying to sign jumping over a fence, because there's more of them than there are sheep in the world.
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Excellent use of hyperbole... and justified.

There is a chance Fergie might expierment with formations that don't involve a heavy reliance on wingers, but I imagine... irregardless of how succesful it is, he'll always revert back to the style he knows and loves.
 
I'm always right said:
Are you also a little slow this morning? I simply said, this formation is a possibility and it will not doubt be trailed in a game or two, make no mistake about it.

We won't be playing 4-4-2 in every game next season.

It won't be our first choice though and I never said it would be, nor do I want it to be.

And one final thing.... if you think SAF is gonna have a set first 11 and system for next season, you're braindead.
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I think the issue is that you're adamant we will at some stage play a formation without any wingers. I agree Rooney and Welbeck could have a place as wide players in a front three but I'd wager we'd never play them together - perhaps one winger and one wide forward, but never what is essentially three centre forwards and no wingers.

You're spot on about there being no side set in stone and we will clearly see rotation. But with three of the best wingers in the league it looks very unlikely that we'd ever decide to neglect to play even one of them, despite Fergie's love for experimenting.
 
Rooney Van Persie Hernadez Welbeck Henriquez
Kagawa
Carrick
Evans Ferdinand Vidic
De Gea​

That will work right?
 
Kinky Melinky said:
Right so...I've just dropped into this thread for the first time since yesterday afternoon. I'm taking it there's been absolutely no movement ?
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Twitter said he's had his fifteenth medical, papers going with thay. Will soon sign for the thirtieth time.
 
I'm always right said:
We won't rely on them as much with Kagawa and RVP though, that's the point. And see my post above, what you and amol fail to understand is that SAF loves a tinker. We'll be playing lots of different players in lots of different systems next season.

The idea that we'll stick to 4-4-2 and that Valencia, Nani, Rooney and RVP will play every game is retarded so say the least. I'm almost certain that SAF will want to play 4-2-3-1 in plenty of big games, and then he's already got a dilemma on his hands, a dilemma that usually results in Rooney being played on the left.... or did I just imagine that happening a tonne of times in the past??
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But you said he'll use the formation in 1 or 2 games? What is the point of that exactly?

I think SAF will be far less likely to tinker this season than last, due to our failings in Europe.

I think, if we did sign RVP, then we won't see him, Rooney and Welbeck all in the same team at all, we'll always play a winger, we'll always want the option on the wing (unless they're all injured). If RVP and Rooney play together it'll probably involve dropping Kagawa or playing him in midfield (2 things I don't want), or maybe even playing him wide.

Overall, I just don't see us ever resting all 3 of Nani, Young and Valencia if they are fully fit, we never have done in the past, and your idea of '1 or 2 games' is a bit daft, because that's totally meaningless. If you thought we'd use it in 10+ games then maybe I could take it seriously.
 
Cina said:
But you said he'll use the formation in 1 or 2 games? What is the point of that exactly?

I think SAF will be far less likely to tinker this season than last, due to our failings in Europe.

I think, if we did sign RVP, then we won't see him, Rooney and Welbeck all in the same team at all, we'll always play a winger, we'll always want the option on the wing (unless they're all injured). If RVP and Rooney play together it'll probably involve dropping Kagawa or playing him in midfield (2 things I don't want), or maybe even playing him wide.

Overall, I just don't see us ever resting all 3 of Nani, Young and Valencia if they are fully fit, we never have done in the past, and your idea of '1 or 2 games' is a bit daft, because that's totally meaningless. If you thought we'd use it in 10+ games then maybe I could take it seriously.
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To be honest, we could use:

-----RvP---Rooney-------
Nani--Kagawa--Valencia
---------Carrick------------
4 defenders
De Gea

against about 10 PL teams at home, because they generally park 10 or 11 players in and around the box; and we triple mark their lone striker.

Still don't see why we'd play Welbeck as a wide forward.

No point when we have Nani, Valencia, Young, Kagawa and Giggs all better than him there. He's no Rooney or RvP which are good enough to force us to shoehorn them in because they provide a massive goal threat slightly wider.
 
Vibhas said:
To be honest, we could use:

-----RvP---Rooney-------
Nani--Kagawa--Valencia
---------Carrick------------
4 defenders
De Gea
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That's basically our current formation but with Kagawa in midfield, really. Doubt anyone will see issue with that. Definitely think that's a possibility.
 
Something like this could work:

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Rafa......Rio..........Vidic.....Evra

..........Carrick Kagawa............
................Rooney.................
Valencia..........................Nani
...................RVP..................
 
evra said:
Something like this could work:

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Rafa Rio Vidic Evra

Carrick Kagawa
Rooney
Valencia Nani
RVP
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Why would Rooney play behind Nani and Valencia, though?

He's a striker.
 
Thats basically a 4-4-2, isnt it?
Put Clev instead of Kagawa and Welbeck instead of Van Persie and that was what most wanted last season too.

Having Kagawa gives us the option of playing 4-3-3 with a proper #10 which is great.
 
An Italian (well in the Euros anyway) approach may be used a few times - 4-1-3-2.

Carrick

Valencia Kagawa Nani

RVP Rooney​

I think that's the only possible, sensible formation that Fergie could pull out to play the maximum amount of our best players. I'd say Nani and Valencia are disciplined enough to do enough tracking back, as well as Rooney and Kawabanga.

The only time I'd expect to see Rooney, Welbeck, RVP, Valencia, Nani AND Kagawa on the pitch is if we're chasing the game with 10 minutes left or so :lol:

But as mentioned above a few times, everyone will see plenty of gametime. I can't see us using the same eleven more than twice.
 
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