Robin van Persie

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Juve have had a 16m offer for Llorente turned down with Bilboa saying any club that want him will have to meet his release clause, so not sure why you'd think we'd get him for anything like 22m.
 
Eyepopper said:
Juve have had a 16m offer for Llorente turned down with Bilboa saying any club that want him will have to meet his release clause, so not sure why you'd think we'd get him for anything like 22m.
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I think at 29\30m he'll be ours. We spent 7m for Bebe
 
Based on what? His release clause is 38m and Bilboa have said he won't be allowed leave for less.
 
Eyepopper said:
Based on what? His release clause is 38m and Bilboa have said he won't be allowed leave for less.
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He's just 1 year away from the end of his contract and Bilbao would probably want him to go abroad. An 8m reduction on the price is understandable.
 
Van Persie will be an excellent buy if we can get him. Leaving the CM issue aside, he will be another world class player in our fold. We could obviously do with that. Added to that, 22mn isn't really that big an amount in context of what we usually dole out for players. We paid 18mn for Hargreaves, Young, Nani and Anderson. We paid 26 for Rooney and 30 for Berbatov.

Even if he has 2 great seasons, he'll be worth every penny even from the sense of view of value.
 
I can never understand when a reports says "United to make an increased offer in 48 hours".

Why can't we just say ok, take £20m rather take a few days to submit another bid!!!
 
Cavani and Llorente may progress to be better than RvP in a year or two but RvP is far more likely to have an immediate impact. He's simply a better player right now.

I recall watching Cavani recently and he was so incredibly wasteful. Kept on shooting from 25+ yards when there were far better options available.
 
Bugs the shit out of me when fans decide such and such a player would be a good signing at £x but a terrible signing at £x+5m. When did football fans become such fecking bean counters?

All I care about is whether or not a new player will improve us as a team. Van Persie would do that and he'd do it instantly, as he's well used to the league. That's really all that matters.
 
acrebo said:
Cavani and Llorente may progress to be better than RvP in a year or two but RvP is far more likely to have an immediate impact. He's simply a better player right now.

I recall watching Cavani recently and he was so incredibly wasteful. Kept on shooting from 25+ yards when there were far better options available.
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Cavani scored 49 goals in 70 league matches with Napoli.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bugs the shit out of me when fans decide such and such a player would be a good signing at £x but a terrible signing at £x+5m. When did football fans become such fecking bean counters?

All I care about is whether or not a new player will improve us as a team. Van Persie would do that and he'd do it instantly, as he's well used to the league. That's really all that matters.
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Something to with the sign of times. Money has become very important in the scheme of things in football. It usually dictates how successful you are. So obviously, if a fan thinks that the added 5 mn might take cash away from some other spend, he'd say so.
 
22million is nothing if he can make a difference for us in winning the league tittle and of course go far in europe. and he certainly more than capable of helping us doing that.

previous seasons when we won or make into the final or semifinal of the champions league we netted in around 50million from the prize and tv money. last season because of our failure to get past the group stage we earned just over 20million which is almost 30million less than usual.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bugs the shit out of me when fans decide such and such a player would be a good signing at £x but a terrible signing at £x+5m. When did football fans become such fecking bean counters?

All I care about is whether or not a new player will improve us as a team. Van Persie would do that and he'd do it instantly, as he's well used to the league. That's really all that matters.
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I remember us discussing this last summer, it's really frigging weird and I can only conclude is a symptom of FM type games.
 
Signing a player like RVP is not about money,it will be a real signal of intent and having a world class player like RVP will certainly lift the moral of the squad.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bugs the shit out of me when fans decide such and such a player would be a good signing at £x but a terrible signing at £x+5m. When did football fans become such fecking bean counters?

All I care about is whether or not a new player will improve us as a team. Van Persie would do that and he'd do it instantly, as he's well used to the league. That's really all that matters.
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Well i see where you're coming from but I don't want us to splash silly money here and there to secure new signings. Would you like us to bid 50mil for RVP? I wouldn't.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bugs the shit out of me when fans decide such and such a player would be a good signing at £x but a terrible signing at £x+5m. When did football fans become such fecking bean counters?
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Weird modern phenomenon, must be the result of FM or something.
 
Interval Level said:
Something to with the sign of times. Money has become very important in the scheme of things in football. It usually dictates how successful you are. So obviously, if a fan thinks that the added 5 mn might take cash away from some other spend, he'd say so.
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If a fan thinks that the extra 5m spent on signing player a instantly deducts the same amount from what we're willing to pay for player b then he's an idiot. Or spends too much time playing FM.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bugs the shit out of me when fans decide such and such a player would be a good signing at £x but a terrible signing at £x+5m. When did football fans become such fecking bean counters?

All I care about is whether or not a new player will improve us as a team. Van Persie would do that and he'd do it instantly, as he's well used to the league. That's really all that matters.
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This. We have bought quite a number of players over the last few years with an eye for the future. This is great, but if we get RVP on top of the already signed Kagawa, we have two players who are signed for today - this season, with both giving immediate improvement and impact. On top of this, the younger players can learn so much from them as well.
 
Walrus said:
Seems ludicrous to be buying another attacker. We should be getting 2 quality CMs in before we look at signing forwards.
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Time to stop talking about CM, SAF isn't interested. He clearly believes in in Cleverley & Anderson.

I think Kagawa will go a long way to correcting some of the midfield issues we had, even from a more advanced role.
 
I'm always right said:
Time to stop talking about CM, SAF isn't interested. He clearly believes in in Cleverley & Anderson.

I think Kagawa will go a long way to correcting some of the midfield issues we had, even from a more advanced role.
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Agreed, but lets not forget Sir Alex has already signed a central midfielder.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bugs the shit out of me when fans decide such and such a player would be a good signing at £x but a terrible signing at £x+5m. When did football fans become such fecking bean counters?

All I care about is whether or not a new player will improve us as a team. Van Persie would do that and he'd do it instantly, as he's well used to the league. That's really all that matters.
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Agreed.
Mentioned that some time ago. It's strange as feck.

But anyway is there something going to happen today in regards to RvP?
 
devilish said:
Cavani scored 49 goals in 70 league matches with Napoli.
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Impressive, more than I thought tbh. I still believe RvP to be a better player from what I've seen - his goalscoring record over the last 18 months in a harder league is superior.
 
devilish said:
I think at 29\30m he'll be ours. We spent 7m for Bebe
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Why is everything compared to Bebe transfer money wise?

If we're going by that logic, RVP is 10 times the player Bebe is, so should we offer 70million for him?

Piers fecking Morgan seems to think RVP is on way to United. Not that it means feck all.
 
I don't really understand Arsenals position on it... he's not going to sign a new contract, he wants out.

Its a straight choice between 20million quid for him, or nothing.

Obviously selling to Utd isn't ideal, but if I was them I'd take the money and move on, you think they'd have learned something from the Nasri and Fabregas situations last year, get the deal done, spend the money strengthening, unless the board want it to go to the wire so there isn't the time to spend it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bugs the shit out of me when fans decide such and such a player would be a good signing at £x but a terrible signing at £x+5m. When did football fans become such fecking bean counters?

All I care about is whether or not a new player will improve us as a team. Van Persie would do that and he'd do it instantly, as he's well used to the league. That's really all that matters.
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I think it's because logically speaking the more we spend on RVP, the less likely it is that we will buy a midfielder. Plus it's a stick that other fans can beat us with, if he is a crock at Utd and we spend £25mil on him then we will never hear the end of it from Arsenal fans.
 
Ekeke said:
Agreed, but lets not forget Sir Alex has already signed a central midfielder.
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Yep, forgot to add Powell to the list alongside Cleverley and Anderson.

SAF is clearly happy with his midfield options, and I'm certain that in the games where we have struggled in midfield over the past few years, Kagawa will play as the advanced midfielder in a 3 and this will make a world of difference.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bugs the shit out of me when fans decide such and such a player would be a good signing at £x but a terrible signing at £x+5m. When did football fans become such fecking bean counters?

All I care about is whether or not a new player will improve us as a team. Van Persie would do that and he'd do it instantly, as he's well used to the league. That's really all that matters.
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Yep, that's pretty much spot on as far as I'm concerned. We need immediate impact. We need to win back the PL and do as best we can in all the cups (Champions League included); preferably winning at least one. What's the point in bringing in a player who is unproven in the PL and currently isn't as good as RVP? You could have another year of winning diddily squat which isn't going to bring in any extra revenue. It's the here and now, and United need to hit the ground of this PL campaign running
 
evra said:
I think it's because logically speaking the more we spend on RVP, the less likely it is that we will buy a midfielder..
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We could get RVP for a quid and we still won't buy a CM, give it up. As I've said, SAF is obviously happy to go into the big games with a midfield 3 that consists of any of.... Kagawa, Carrick, Cleverley, Anderson, Powell, Scholes.
 
acrebo said:
Impressive, more than I thought tbh. I still believe RvP to be a better player from what I've seen - his goalscoring record over the last 18 months in a harder league is superior.
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A harder league but a stronger side (Arsenal opposed to Napoli)
 
Thing is all it takes is a number of injuries to make that list of midfielders seem inadequate. This time last year it was "gibson, ando, cleverly, giggs, carrick,fletcher well be fine in midfield" and boom suddenly you have rafael and Park playing CM.

EDIT: wanted to quote Threepwood.
 
I'm always right said:
Yep, forgot to add Powell to the list alongside Cleverley and Anderson.

SAF is clearly happy with his midfield options, and I'm certain that in the games where we have struggled in midfield over the past few years, Kagawa will play as the advanced midfielder in a 3 and this will make a world of difference.
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Well, lets look at it...

Carrick, Anderson, Cleverly, Scholes, Giggs, vying for 2 positions, at a push we also have Jones who could be called on, and thats not considering Powell, because he can't really be expected to make an impact in his first year at this level, Kagawa whose better suited to playing a more advanced role, and Fletcher because we can't be sure when he'll be back.

I'd guess that Fergie might think we're pretty well stocked.

If you look at the problems we've had in the middle over the last couple of years, its been down to a lack of creativity, an inability to link up play between mid field and the forwards through the middle. Kagawa will address that (hopefully), and the return of Cleverly will also help, hes has a decent eye for a pass.

The question will be keeping everyone fit. Lets not play Cleverly against Bolton this year eh?
 
ehsanul said:
From @EPLAgent007 Robin Van Persie has decided not to move to Manchester United.Arsenal still hopeful he'll stay. #MUFC
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another agent ITK. This one must be telling the truth though, as he has called himself 007.
 
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