Yea yea. Fair enough. The record stands that Falcao is much more deadly.
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Yea yea. Fair enough. The record stands that Falcao is much more deadly.
Theyre actually pretty much dead level (at their best) on any offensive stat you choose to compare them on. Goals scored, shots taken, shots on target are all within minor percentage points of each other. The only one where there is a slight difference is that Falcao is marginally more deadly for the number of chances he gets, although its still a small difference.
The only consideration is that one is 3 years older and the other is recovering from a huge injury. My opinion is that RVP is getting too old to ever regain top form whereas Falcao at least has a chance of regaining his, and we should side with him because of that.
RVP at his best is the much better player. It's not even all that close.
Even right now RVP is well ahead.
Even right now RVP is well ahead.
Bingo. Amazing that people can't see that. It's not as though Van Persie has only recently stopped playing at his very best. How long is it now? 18 months?
Both SAF and Rio said in their books that the team had to repeatedly be told to pass the ball to RVP and pick out his runs. We even had a special meeting just to say "pass it to Van Persie"! Can't help but think there's a bit of that going on here. He's of no use if we aren't picking out his runs and, like any striker, his overall play suffers when he's not scoring goals.
We should play Rooney up top and play 1 of these 2 depending on whoever's in better form. End of season, take a call based on performance.
He's been consistently missing chances he'd score in his sleep when he was at his best. It can't be all down to poor service. He's a shadow of the player he once was. Surely you can see that?
He's missed chances for us even at his best. That's nothing new. Was the same for Arsenal as well.
His all round play is still alevel above Falcao so he should get the nod.
In a way, the more chances he misses means more chances created and therefore more chances of him scoring. He had a ridiculous number of misses and shots hitting the frame of the goal in his first season.
Nonsense. He's much more likely to miss chances in the last year or so than he would have at his best.
Missing chances is only half the problem anyway. His all round play has deteriorated massively.
Not really nonsense if you paid attention. He missed plenty of sitters and 1v1's in his first season.
I'll pay attention if you read my posts. "More likely to miss" does not mean he didn't miss plenty before.
Rvp might not have played as well as he used to but he's put in several performances that are a class above what any of our other strikers have shown. Sticking wayne up front doesn't really guarantee anything. His performances, all be it in midfield should tell us that.
I would say it's been more like 12 months actually, he was still as good as his first season up until he got that 6 week injury around December in my opinion and it was more that the team had regressed and was playing terrible football under Moyes. He hasn't been as good since he came back from that injury but he's still had some games like Olympiakos, Chelsea this season and then a small run of games in December where he played well.
Will he ever get back to his best? Doubtful, but let's what happens in the next 6 months or so because I think he was in a race against time to be fit for the World Cup and didn't look fully fit earlier in the season. 8 in 20 isn't exactly terrible either, even if he again never becomes the player he once was he could still be a useful player for 15-20 goals a season for a few years yet.
People might think this is me just desperately defending him but I would love nothing more than both Falcao and van Persie to get back to their very best. It's a difficult one because Falcao is younger and at his peak is a phenomenal player but would cost us at least 35-40 million it looks like and I don't think he's shown enough to warrant that purchase yet. van Persie is older and in a possibly permanent decline but is already our player and has a strong relationship with van Gaal and his philosophy.
Yeah, 18 months is probably harsh. I'll go with 12. It's still long fecking time though!
Seriously, the logic in this thread 
If the rest of the team we're playing amazing football, and he was rubbish I would agree, but fact is, the attacking unit is playing like garbage, how on earth do people expect him to be able to show his best form?
Doesn't matter, he has been past it for 18 months, he was never as prolific as Falcao (while both played as #9's their whole career) and his goalscoring record for club and country was piss poor in 2013-2014, which was last season. Also he has been fit the whole season and he missed so many chances, he never used to miss easy chances while scoring difficult goals, that was never his trademark. Also, the team does create enough, games like Southampton away for example. He scored 2 yeah, but he needed 14 chances for that, and it wasn't like he was the best player on the pitch aside from the goals.
Yeah true, but from what I've heard Falcao wasn't all that at Monaco either. Fingers crossed van Persie is over his injuries because he hasn't had any major ones this season. Last season Moyes was to blame for one by rushing him back and the other was a bad tackle from an Olympiakos player which can happen to anyone.
Funnily enough, they've actually showed some decent link up play at times when paired together such as Leicester, West Ham and Newcastle but Falcao's been injured and was only making 10-20 minute cameos at one point too so we've seen less of that.
Are you serious... we created sweet fa in that game Southampton game, a game we should have lost. Also his goalscoring record last season wasn't piss poor, he scored 18 goals in 28 games for United, for reference Rooney got 19 in 40 games (in a season where Rooney apparently was United best player and was back to his best).
EDIT: I'm not even saying he will get back to his best, but some of what I am reading in here is overboard, the team isn't playing well, we're not creating enough and so stands to reason none of our strikers are at the top of the scoring charts.
No, he's not. Read his other posts in the thread.
Is there a single player in our squad playing as well as they used to? You'd also think being 31 was the end of the world. In the not so distant past we signed a striker at 31 and he was player of the year 3 years later.
too many players in the team who needs service from other players. RVP is one of them, lost all his pace, can't create chances on his own, can't beat a man and his conversion rate is pretty awful. Can he hold up play? Yes, he can but League 1 striker should do that. This and clearing the ball from the front post defending corners, the only assets he brings to our play which is far from enough. He would definitely benefit from being the top man, playing lone striker in 4-2-3-1, it would provide more service for him but still I believe he is well past it and should only start on the bench.
Players like Costa/Aguero are on a different level. Hopefully Wilson can bulk up and get better in his overall play as we would have brilliant player and the one we need up front.. People saying we have got top strikers are clueless. They all are living from their reputation. Anyway I would definitely swap Falcao for Persie if it was possible as he at least looks like he tries and fights for the ball unike RVP, who has got stamina of u21 players and no fight spirit unless it comes to some rash challenges late in the game as he gets frustrated easily. After his first season it is very disappointing to see him struggling more and more and the saddest thing is that he is friend of the manager:-/
Players like Costa/Aguero are on a different level. Hopefully Wilson can bulk up and get better in his overall play as we would have brilliant player and the one we need up front.. People saying we have got top strikers are clueless. They all are living from their reputation. Anyway I would definitely swap Falcao for Persie if it was possible as he at least looks like he tries and fights for the ball unike RVP, who has got stamina of u21 players and no fight spirit unless it comes to some rash challenges late in the game as he gets frustrated easily. After his first season it is very disappointing to see him struggling more and more and the saddest thing is that he is friend of the manager:-/
Van Persie played his whole career at Feyenoord as a winger. He was a no.10 for Arsenal up until 09/10. He was also a winger for Holland until 2010. Factor in his injury issues and its no surprise that falcao has averaged more goals per season. However Van Persie at his best 2010- 2013 was not only just as prolific as the goal poacher specialist Falcao he was also 5 times the player.
No one who truly loves the game of Football can tell me that Falcao was better. RvP paints master pieces on the football pitch at his best. Falcao just scores goals.
This is rubbish. You talk as if you're speaking in facts. This isn't science. You just prefer and appreciate RVP more as a player, thats fine because I really like RVP too. Falcao still has the better record, we can't speak in ifs and maybes. Its what it is.
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Well he's back looking like Sam Fisher from Splinter Cell, it's like he's taking Giggs place as our grey templed oldster. He'll no doubt start on Saturday and I doubt it matters, our strikers all look much of a muchness right now so we might as well stick him in.
There was a moment when him and Falcao literally ran into each other whilst making the same run. It was so frustrating to watch considering the caliber of each player.
On a wider but similar issue, I am a massive fan of our big three (Rooney, Van Persie and Falcao) individually. However, as a collective I am starting to believe it will never work. I still can't understand why Rooney doesn't play up top. I have him down as our best finisher.
On a wider but similar issue, I am a massive fan of our big three (Rooney, Van Persie and Falcao) individually. However, as a collective I am starting to believe it will never work. I still can't understand why Rooney doesn't play up top. I have him down as our best finisher.
One great season,now he is shadow of it. I take it for granted that he made that good run as an experienced player but he should have scored. His overall play is quite useless.. Wouldn't mind if Wilson started every game instead of Persie. Young boy didn't have a great game but lacked service today, small pitch for him andobviously needs to do better but deserved chance tonight and will only get better with games under his belt. On Van Persie you can only see growing frustration and more and more grey hairs. I wouldn't mind if we sold him this summer. I think we need to reinforce in attack as much as in defense
Had 3 touches of the ball in that sub appearance, one of them missing a sitter. Herrera, who got subbed on at the same time as him, albeit in midfield, had 38. It's ridiculous how he just lets games flow by without doing anything.
Its very frustrating, as it'll probably be him and Falcao upfront against Leicester, which doesn't work as they're basically the same striker.
Shaqueel van Persie is on Citys books right?
not really that excited to have him come back, to be honest. i really wish we'd play with just one striker, although whether that's him, falcao or rooney, i don't really care.
just not all three of them at the same time.
just not all three of them at the same time.
He's tailor made for Serie A at this point IMO.
Sadly its time to say goodbye to RVP, (and thanks, but no thanks to Falcao) not sure who could come in as a true 'lead the line striker' but thats what we need at the moment, would Zlatan be worth a punt for a season while we develope a young striker ?
have to wonder how much zlatan has left in his tank... he's not young anymore.
Still believe in him and that he has something more to offer... we have to start playing good football as a team first though (and yes, I get that he also has to play well for that to happen...)
A young striker who's currently scoring for fun is lacazette for Lyon.
The name which every club who needs a striker wants. Seeing as many top clubs don't really need a striker at the moment it's a good chance to get him, as he's different to RVP/Falcao/Rooney. We should move out RVP/Falcao and bring someone like him in. Van Persie's past his peak and I can't see him continuing here much longer.
You sure about that? think he will take Falcao´s place? or they will both show up making the same run?
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