Exactly what I have been saying. The only person who actively seeks out RVP is Falcao and he has been injured. Rooney is more concerned with scoring than setting up RVP thus his classic cross field pass to the Right wing and then a run into the box for the return. I can recall only one pass Rooney made to set up RVP in the box. RVP likes one-twos around the box but no-one seems wiling to participate. Its really frustrating to watch and I don't think much will change if Falcao replaces RVP.
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It's about time you feck off with Rooney agenda. While RVP joggs around uninterested, rest of the team works their socks off yet it's poor RVP who's been neglected? He has limited service alright, but even when he gets put through he can't find the net. He's like a grandpa among men, easily pushed off the ball, can't sustain tackle, doesnt have stamina or pace to last full 90min and looks like he's 65y not 31. And of course it's Rooney fault,just as he forced poor Nani out of United. I really don't like being rude but you're prick of a highest order and you can quote me on that.
The Rooney-RvP partnership is non-existent but you really can't criticize Rooney for that those days, he has been doing much more this season than the last one. RVP on the other hand is invisible for 90% of the time on the pitch.
He's going to start all games he's fit for unless he needs to be rested this season, I have lost my hope in terms of van Gaal actually benching him. It's clear as a day they like each other.
As they would say in Fifa 14: "He's enjoying a sticky spell at the moment, but the manager has asked him to play his way through it."
I think he needs a break. I know he had one after the world cup, but Rooney/Wilson/Falcao can take his place for now and maybe he'll start living up to his potential if he has some more competition coming back into the side. He's pretty much guaranteed on the starting sheet, and maybe the doubt of a starting place will motivate him after some rest.
I think he needs a break. I know he had one after the world cup, but Rooney/Wilson/Falcao can take his place for now and maybe he'll start living up to his potential if he has some more competition coming back into the side. He's pretty much guaranteed on the starting sheet, and maybe the doubt of a starting place will motivate him after some rest.
Van Gaal should know better than anyone that managers have been sacked in different sports for showing too much favoritism towards one or a few individuals while detrimental to the the team's performances. While we are getting results and no one is too angry among the players at the moment, it should be easier to pull him out of the team. Dragging things longer will not help anybody, especially not if we hit a bad streak.
This is fecking depressing.
Still a top class footballer. Just needs better service and momentum.
Yeah, that's what it is. Nothing to do with his disinterest, loss of physicality, lack of sharpness and just a general laboured approach to matches.
I'm not sure. Watching him, it feels like he's definitely lost a certain level of sharpness that he had before.
Don't worry Robin, you don't have to butter us up. We aren't Arsenal, we know when we're out of the race.
My verdict: LvG MUST be seeing something positive from RVP to warrant starting him. Otherwise, he could just play Rooney as a 9 with Januzaj or Mata as the 10 until Falcao gets fit.
We need a forward closer to him (FALCAO!).
He never really got any service or movement around him against Arsenal.
He never really got any service or movement around him against Arsenal.
He needs to be the closest striker to the midfield. Swap Rooney and him around and see what happens.
RvP put in a very good shift against city and was immense against Chelsea. He had to hold the ball with none of our players anywhere near him and he did that brilliantly. I don't understand what you mean by can't sustain a tackle? It's not like he gets out-muscled easily. His hold up play and ball shielding is too good for his lean physique.
He misses more than a few chances but it boils down to lack of opportunities. He never gets enough one on ones to be in form. Once he scores a few, his finishing improves drastically.
You are underestimating RvP way too much
Immense against Chelsea? Lets go with he was good.
Thats the point that divides opinionis though. Some say it's the team's fault as he doesnt get good service, some say it's his poorm form. I tend to go with the 2nd option as he's hardly involved in the game (with or without service) and if he has the ball, he doesnt produce much. Would be interested to see how we play with RvP on the bench
I think dropping him right now will be best for everyone, I am not sure if it's just me but there are multiple times every game where he makes good runs but the other players just choose another pass. He isn't getting involved enough and thus whenever he gets the ball he tends to take too much time on it and not pass it to others. It's sad though that whatever be the reason we are just not scoring enough goals from inside the box.
Definitely not finished but in poor form.
I would like to see a front three that are able to counter attack and interchange. RVP doest provide this and he can let the game pass him by.
In an ideal world he would make an excellent late game sub. He would be a game changer. Hopefully LVG realizes this.
I would like to see a front three that are able to counter attack and interchange. RVP doest provide this and he can let the game pass him by.
In an ideal world he would make an excellent late game sub. He would be a game changer. Hopefully LVG realizes this.
Fact Wilson didnt start for reserves potentially he may get a start
It would be a good game to bed him in, certainly. His pace could be such an asset.
Are you serious? Has he ever played that role? It seems mental to me, don't know how would that improve us.
Well, I think him slowing up the play almost every time he gets the ball is the reason why players around him tend to choose another pass, not the other way around. He
I actually think he falls in the same category as Carrick last year - he is asked to do too much, considering his fitness/energy level/physicality as general. That might not be the only factor but in my opinion it’s the main one. A longer break would be very good for him I reckon.
I think he would create more if he had Falcao next to him making runs he's familiar with being a striker.
His best season here came with Ferguson and his wing play. It's what he likes feeding off, not just from crosses but from the space created by them attacking wide.
We're not attacking like that this season and he's struggling to feed off anything. He can't support during counter attacks and doesn't have the pace to create time and spade from through balls. He just looks lost.
Even last year with Moyes' tactics it played to his strengths and his return was good.
We're not attacking like that this season and he's struggling to feed off anything. He can't support during counter attacks and doesn't have the pace to create time and spade from through balls. He just looks lost.
Even last year with Moyes' tactics it played to his strengths and his return was good.
His best PL season ever was arguably the previous one with Arsenal, who barely used wingers at all.
I don't think the tactics can be blamed for his decline.
He plays well with Falcao but I don't think we should play 3 attackers which would mean dropping Rooney, which is very unlikely as he's the captain and has scored a few. Maybe he does need to be dropped for a few games to get his mojo back because to me he is world class, he's having a dip in form. At the same time I wouldn't entirely blame him, I don't the team has played that well yet, we still have a few more levels to pick up.
Perhaps I do underestimate him, but he's playing below his high standards and that's just not good enough.
Often he looks disinterested, that's something I though would pass along with Moyes sacking, but even under LVG he seems unhappy eventhough his position in the starting eleven is out of question.
His body language speaks of someone tired, jaded and someone who's playing within his true ability.
Don't think he was that good against Chelsea, and if you think he's overall contribution to the team this season was good enough that speaks for itself how he's fallen from the player we all knew.
Really hope he regains his mojo but don't think he will- wrong side of the 30's, had his share of injuries, there are younger, better players around the corner and team doesn't depend on him like it used to.
Will always be grateful for that first season with United, but it's been 2 years since then and he's only getting worse, shame that since in his prime there were just few better than him!
If you look back at our last few games we have hardly created any chances, until we get a well balanced midfield and defence I think it is going to be tough going for whoever plays up front, I don’t think Falcao would have fared any better.
The Arsenal game was poor for him but he isn’t the type of centre forward you can leave up front without any decent service, someone like Aguero or Costa can still be a handful and give you an out ball in behind because of their pace but RVP can’t.
We are very pedestrian and easy to defend against and that problem is much bigger than just RVP, we either need to find a way to start getting him involved in the game or leave him out, push Rooney further forward and bring in Mata or Herrera to try and improve our creativity.
The Arsenal game was poor for him but he isn’t the type of centre forward you can leave up front without any decent service, someone like Aguero or Costa can still be a handful and give you an out ball in behind because of their pace but RVP can’t.
We are very pedestrian and easy to defend against and that problem is much bigger than just RVP, we either need to find a way to start getting him involved in the game or leave him out, push Rooney further forward and bring in Mata or Herrera to try and improve our creativity.
Agree with this, there's not enough movement around the box, or direct passes towards box but that doesn't justify his weak aproach to the matches.
He doesn't work hard enough, there was moment in the Arsenal match where he was jogging back between their centarbacks just for the sake of it, not like he was actually trying to put pressure on them.
Falcao showed much more iniative than RVP when played up front, hope RVP gets dropped and that kicks some fighting spirit in him!
Of course you are rude. I am free to state my opinions and your abuse is clearly in contravention with the rules of the forum. I have never said Rooney forced Nani out of United and have never said anything about Rooney that is as a rude as what you said about RVP, " He's like a Grandpa among men........ 65y not 31". I am impressed by Nani's skill level and I think RVP is unfairly criticised while rooney is over-rated but I do not go around abusing those who differ in their opinion.
He's an intelligent man, hopefully he gets back into form soon. Really miss him at his best.
Mancini lines up Van Persie swoop
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...259459/Mancini-lines-up-Van-Persie-swoop.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...259459/Mancini-lines-up-Van-Persie-swoop.html
Give him Xmas off. Let him chill in Holland and put his feet up. We will need him for the top 4 push as Falcao can't be relied on and Rooney being deployed in midfield.
He's just so isolated up front that it doesn't make sense to play him in those tight games against the good teams with the deep manner the team us set up.
A more physical, faster striker with good hold up and link-up play would be the best option. A certain player we've let go off comes to mind but let's not derail the thread.
There is a certain amount of merit to both the 'He doesn't have enough service and players around him, and the 'he isn't working hard enough, is too laboured and anonymous' statements.
First of all he is a striker with intelligent movement, deft footwork in tight spaces and great technique overall who never really relied on his athleticism. A technical and an intelligent player who in theory should be able to perform at a good level in his early thirties. He has deteriorated when it comes to his pace and his strength. However, I don't think it is as marked that his performances seem to suggest right now and he was never heavily reliant on these traits anyway.
His individual performances in isolation without taking servive into consideration has been disappointing to say the least. His dribbling seems extremely contrived and he doesn't seem to be making the right decisions on the ball. I can think of a few instances in the Arsenal game in which he was largely at fault. The offside pass to Di Maria after dallying on the ball on a promising break comes to mind. Moreover he got jostled off the ball by feckin Arteta in a pathetic attempt to hold up the ball and made an equally desperate attempt to dribble past him and miserably fail. It really points to a mental rut or just a case of him off color. He looks dejected at times even...
He has been in poor form and is responsible for it. However, the way in which we've set up in recent matches (with Rooney and Fellaini in midfield) isn't helping him as well. If you leave him isolated without a great long passer in the team or players to dovetail with, you can't expect too much from him. The best you can hope for is a jammy goal from him and a fairly anonymous performance.
The RVP of 2 years ago would have done a great job spearheading an attack isolated. I remember a good portion of his Arsenal goals coming in that manner esp the Song overhead passes for RVP to volley etc. Right now it would make more sense for LVG to use Falcao or heck even Wilson when we play an isolated lone striker. Really hope Falcao starts against Hull or RVP plays in a team with Herrera in midfield and Rooney playing off him instead of being in midfield. Esp in a game against Hull.
A more physical, faster striker with good hold up and link-up play would be the best option. A certain player we've let go off comes to mind but let's not derail the thread.
There is a certain amount of merit to both the 'He doesn't have enough service and players around him, and the 'he isn't working hard enough, is too laboured and anonymous' statements.
First of all he is a striker with intelligent movement, deft footwork in tight spaces and great technique overall who never really relied on his athleticism. A technical and an intelligent player who in theory should be able to perform at a good level in his early thirties. He has deteriorated when it comes to his pace and his strength. However, I don't think it is as marked that his performances seem to suggest right now and he was never heavily reliant on these traits anyway.
His individual performances in isolation without taking servive into consideration has been disappointing to say the least. His dribbling seems extremely contrived and he doesn't seem to be making the right decisions on the ball. I can think of a few instances in the Arsenal game in which he was largely at fault. The offside pass to Di Maria after dallying on the ball on a promising break comes to mind. Moreover he got jostled off the ball by feckin Arteta in a pathetic attempt to hold up the ball and made an equally desperate attempt to dribble past him and miserably fail. It really points to a mental rut or just a case of him off color. He looks dejected at times even...
He has been in poor form and is responsible for it. However, the way in which we've set up in recent matches (with Rooney and Fellaini in midfield) isn't helping him as well. If you leave him isolated without a great long passer in the team or players to dovetail with, you can't expect too much from him. The best you can hope for is a jammy goal from him and a fairly anonymous performance.
The RVP of 2 years ago would have done a great job spearheading an attack isolated. I remember a good portion of his Arsenal goals coming in that manner esp the Song overhead passes for RVP to volley etc. Right now it would make more sense for LVG to use Falcao or heck even Wilson when we play an isolated lone striker. Really hope Falcao starts against Hull or RVP plays in a team with Herrera in midfield and Rooney playing off him instead of being in midfield. Esp in a game against Hull.
Just watched RVPs goals in fergies last season in charge on mutv .
If only we had the same player now .
He scored some great goals .
The city free kick and villa goals were fantastic .
I hope he can hit those heights again . I'm not sure if he's sorely to blame or the team he's in is playing a part but he doesn't look the same player this season .
If only we had the same player now .
He scored some great goals .
The city free kick and villa goals were fantastic .
I hope he can hit those heights again . I'm not sure if he's sorely to blame or the team he's in is playing a part but he doesn't look the same player this season .
Thought I'd bring this here as it shouldn't be in the herrera thread...
That's your opinion. Rooney scored 34 goals in 11/12, led us to 2nd place, level on points with City (19 points ahead of Arsenal). Look at our team that season. In 12/13 I agree, RvP was our best player. Rooney was far from his best then though. Rooney at his best, in 11/12 or 09/10, scored 34 goals both seasons. In fact, Van Persie only had that period, 2011/12 and 12/13 where he was truly world class, at least goal scoring wise (37 goals and 30 goals). Was there anything between them during that period? Not really in my opinion, both absolutely world class, like Falcao was, but neither really the best striker in the world. In 2009/10 Rooney had a shout for that, in 11/12 RvP had a shout for that, but both those years you could say Falcao or Ibrahimovic were the best strikers in the world. Falcao scored 34 goals, 38 goals, 36 goals and 34 goals for the 4 seasons between 2009/10 and 2012/13. For pure consistency at keeping that level for longer, I'd have both Falcao and Ibra as better strikers at their best then RvP or Rooney were at their best.
Not a lot in it, but it's so far from the truth to say that Van Persie is easily better then Rooney or Falcao, now, or ever really. Now especially he's declined quite a bit that he really shouldn't be starting anymore, especially given our options.
Everybody is saying he has declined but I don't think we can honestly say that until we see more of the season, last year under Moyes despite his injuries he was more prolific than under Ferguson and I highly doubt that was down to David Moyes.
It is possible he is low on confidence and this is affecting his game, with Falcao looking like returning and Wilson also Rooney can play up top, Louis van Gaal has players to take the pressure off of him if need be.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30255773
It is possible he is low on confidence and this is affecting his game, with Falcao looking like returning and Wilson also Rooney can play up top, Louis van Gaal has players to take the pressure off of him if need be.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30255773
Unfortunately too many football fans are fickle and short-sighted. Robin is in a patch of bad form at the moment, there is no arguing that. He's a fantastic goalscorer and should be given more support to turn it around. I seen him play at Palace a few weeks ago, he's rusty. It's a matter of service as well. We have not been creating enough chances from the wings. I think we need a fit Shaw, Rafael and an inform Di Maria to create more. RVP is not an all-round player forward like Rooney. RVP is a striker that needs service. His record at United since he came is very good. He was influential in us winning our 20th title and has turned up in the big games overall. Even when he's playing poorly, he can still score a last minute equalizer against Chelsea. He's a top player and isn't finished, let's all stop the negativity. We had enough of that under Moyes last year. I think he'll turn it around, we were so dependent on him at one time. Now that we have other options people don't care if we get rid, sad times . Robin Van Persie has given us a lot of great memories in such a short time, prove them haters wrong RVP
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