Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances
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Nike have been smoking some weird shit this year. I'm pissed off about the two Barca monstrosities - one looks like someone found out about the gradient tool in Photoshop, and the other looks like a tequila sunrise. Apparently they went with tablecloth for United's.
How hard can it be to design a shirt?
Gradient or not, I really like Barca's home kit 
So has Pete discovered his new Avatar yet?
Moreso when Asnls seems to be alright... Tough one win trophies and get a rubbish shirt or good shirts and no trophies (not that tough after all!)
Gradient or not, I really like Barca's home kit
It looks fecking awful. What is good is that designers actually get the chance to create something that can lead your thoughts to what decade you're actually in.
A shirt from the 90's often also looks like one from that decade as well as the 70's and 80's had theirs. Just keep going on with the dull crap they've been massproducing for the past 10 years is not going to be enough. I think it's good with a bit of a break for a change.
Gradient or not, I really like Barca's home kit
Home kit tolerable but tequila sunrise is a nightmare
I wouldn't be too worried about his age, this is the prime age for a striker, IMHO. Plus, RVP doesn't rely on his pace to be a danger. I'd only be slightly uneasy about his injury history but I can't see this being anything but a win for United - expensive but a win
Ryan Giggs says hello.
He'll probably still be a better player then Andy Carroll
Bad week to go on holiday. No idea how I feel about RVP.
Obviously its a fantastic signing, but its very odd: We didn't really need another striker and Arsenal don't normally sell to us. Taking aside any emotion about him being an Arsenal *legend*, RVP is ageing, injury prone but a fantastic fantastic player.
But I'm sure this has been said a billion times so far.
Obviously its a fantastic signing, but its very odd: We didn't really need another striker and Arsenal don't normally sell to us. Taking aside any emotion about him being an Arsenal *legend*, RVP is ageing, injury prone but a fantastic fantastic player.
But I'm sure this has been said a billion times so far.
Ryan Giggs says hello.
Just watched the interview with him and the press conference. Comes across fantastically well, seems like a genuinely nice guy. He really couldn't stop smiling could he?
Think I love him a bit already <3
Think I love him a bit already <3
It's pure genius
I guess if Pete hasn't been driven off yet that avatar won't do it either!
Ah ha, a story based on nothing but pure assumption.... great work again from the Daily Fail.
Now there's good journalism.
Decent read
I want to see this lineup sometime this season. If we have no problem scoring goals from RVP and the rest of the strikers, then I would love to see Rooney on the left again like he used to when we had Ronaldo back then.
RVP
Rooney--------------Kagawa--------------Nani
Cleverley/Scholes------------Carrick
Evra---------Rio--------Vidic--------Rafael
De Gea
Rooney--------------Kagawa--------------Nani
Cleverley/Scholes------------Carrick
Evra---------Rio--------Vidic--------Rafael
De Gea
It would have been better if it had the sleeves ending (just the endings) in black to match the collar.
If you're not excited about your club signing possibly the best centre forward in the World... you are one boring mother f€**€r.
Fair enough, to each his own, but I'd personaly prefer putting Kagawa on the left and Rooney behind RvP, I know it goes against what I mentioned about wanting Kagawa to play more centraly, but in the end I think they'd do a better job like that, I see Rooney losing some efficiency if he's put out wide, even if they'd be swaping positions in attack.
Kagawa is faster and (lately) more used to playing on the left, therefore I stick to my opinion, however I'm not saying you're "wrong" and I'm "right", just that when I thought it through I came to a different conclusion as to what would be the better option.
I mean its not like Rooney will not be efficient if played out wide. He has had experience and he did do a good job for us when he played on the left. I feel Young sometimes against big teams may not be the best option.
And Kagawa can't really carve out defenses like he did for Dortmund last season if played out wide. He excels in that final ball to the striker and he can do that more if played right behind the striker.
I can't even begin to imagine the damage Kagawa behind Van Persie would do. I never even gave it any thought; I was too busy wondering just how we were going to fit everyone in.
The way I see it, we gain more from putting Kagawa in that position than we would lose from putting Rooney out wide due to Rooney's goalscoring being covered by the signing of Van Persie. Rooney would still be productive from the left given that the width provided by Evra would often allow him to come aside, and hopefully the culmination of this scenario would be some absolutely mad shit in the centre involving him, Kagawa, Nani and RVP. We'd probably get raped down the left, but I genuinely can't see anyone being able to cope with that.
It's probably all irrelevant given they'll most likely be all over the place but, assuming it is a more fixed thing than this, Kagawa would be my choice behind Van Persie. Rooney on the left is not ideal, and the majority of his performances if he does not move inside will probably consist of him feigning to go outside the full back, cutting in and crossing/passing to Kagawa, but at least it allows us that directness through the centre that we've been craving. There is an argument to suggest that it would be more ideal for Kagawa to be the one to come inside like this, but it seems to me to be a better idea to constantly have Kagawa in the centre to provide a more varied threat (not to mention a more consistent one with his composure and ability to keep the ball under pressure).
The way I see it, we gain more from putting Kagawa in that position than we would lose from putting Rooney out wide due to Rooney's goalscoring being covered by the signing of Van Persie. Rooney would still be productive from the left given that the width provided by Evra would often allow him to come aside, and hopefully the culmination of this scenario would be some absolutely mad shit in the centre involving him, Kagawa, Nani and RVP. We'd probably get raped down the left, but I genuinely can't see anyone being able to cope with that.
It's probably all irrelevant given they'll most likely be all over the place but, assuming it is a more fixed thing than this, Kagawa would be my choice behind Van Persie. Rooney on the left is not ideal, and the majority of his performances if he does not move inside will probably consist of him feigning to go outside the full back, cutting in and crossing/passing to Kagawa, but at least it allows us that directness through the centre that we've been craving. There is an argument to suggest that it would be more ideal for Kagawa to be the one to come inside like this, but it seems to me to be a better idea to constantly have Kagawa in the centre to provide a more varied threat (not to mention a more consistent one with his composure and ability to keep the ball under pressure).
I'm very aware of the fact that Kagawa should be played centraly (generaly speaking) as it's the area in which he excells in, this is one thing I completely agree with you. However, Rooney for one thing has matured as a goalscorer, but isn't as fast as he used to be for instance, in all honesty lately he's even been played in the centre of midfield before being played out wide.
Not trying to be the smart guy here but I genuinely think Rooney's performances would take a relatively big drop if being played outwide, this would be a completely different conversation with the Rooney of 4-5 years ago. We might not notice it as much in the results due to the overwhelming number of optiong we have, but I generaly think it's a waste playing Rooney there, I feel Kagawa would "lose" a lot less by playing there.
Then again we're talking about 1 out of a 100 possible first team squad rotations, so it's not like this should present a big problem either way, but I doubt Rooney will have a lot of personally great games out on the wing if it comes to that.
How about this when evryone's fit and we need a goal, Evra plays like a wing back in our team (4411) anyway, Evans would cover the hole Evra leaves behind, and Valencia would have less defensive reponsibility, but could help in midfield aswel.
RVP--------------Rooney
Kagawa-----------
----------------------------------------Nani----------
---------Cleverley----------------------------------
Carrick
Evra---------------------------------------------Valencia
Evans-------Rio--------Vidic
De Gea
Kagawa-----------
----------------------------------------Nani----------
---------Cleverley----------------------------------
Carrick
Evra---------------------------------------------Valencia
Evans-------Rio--------Vidic
De Gea
Aye, I understand this concern. I don't think there is too much difference in terms of Rooney's attributes now and in 08/09 when he was playing well on the wing (better goalscorer now, tiny bit better at dribbling back then), but it's a waste of Rooney no matter which way you spin it. It's speculation as to what would be less of a waste at this point, so we'll have to wait and see.
Ha, I am genuinely so excited. I'm meant to be looking for jobs at the moment but my CV is currently covered with all sorts of possible formations born out of me trying to get to grips with how we'll line up! I feel as if I can't proceed in life until this shit becomes clear...
12 players. Yes, we could do with 12 onfield.
Too many players.
I've toyed with the idea of 3 centre backs in the Van Persie thread before he signed, with Evans pushing out wide towards the left back position and for Nani to track back if necessary, but it didn't go down well in the transfer forum.
Something like this:
--------------De Gea---------------
----Ferdinand---Vidic------Evans---
Valencia---Carrick---Cleverley----Nani--
-------------Kagawa--------------
----------Rooney---Van Persie--------
It would require Valencia being an absolute machine down the right (something like Alves for Barcelona), and Evans remembering what it was like when he was doing an impression of a world class left back for Northern Ireland a few years ago. Head tells me this wouldn't work given how used to playing with full backs we are, but it's one way of getting all these players in one line up...
Edit: This would never work, but what the hell I'm excited.
Brilliant. Don't think we're going to see anything other than a back 4 under Sir Alex for any game we actually care about winning, but its funny trying to work ways to get all our awesome players on the pitch and still feeling you're leaving too many out.. just wish we could do a gulli_G and bend the rules
oops my mistake
Too many players.
I've toyed with the idea of 3 centre backs in the Van Persie thread before he signed, with Evans pushing out wide towards the left back position and for Nani to track back if necessary, but it didn't go down well in the transfer forum.
Something like this:
--------------De Gea---------------
----Ferdinand---Vidic------Evans---
Valencia---Carrick---Cleverley----Nani--
-------------Kagawa--------------
----------Rooney---Van Persie--------
It would require Valencia being an absolute machine down the right (something like Alves for Barcelona), and Evans remembering what it was like when he was doing an impression of a world class left back for Northern Ireland a few years ago. Head tells me this wouldn't work given how used to playing with full backs we are, but it's one way of getting all these players in one line up...
Edit: This would never work, but what the hell I'm excited.
I really like your idea, and think Nani is disciplined enough to adapt to that role as with the state of current Evra, we are usually playing 3 in defence anyways, as when we need him he's nowhere near the LB spot.
this could explain us sending Fabio on loan, and not buying a LB, as Nani and Young could be playing as left Wingbacks, just a theory but would love to smash some smaller teams with this formation (Especially the ones playing 1 upfront)
Aye, I understand this concern. I don't think there is too much difference in terms of Rooney's attributes now and in 08/09 when he was playing well on the wing (better goalscorer now, tiny bit better at dribbling back then), but it's a waste of Rooney no matter which way you spin it. It's speculation as to what would be less of a waste at this point, so we'll have to wait and see.
Ha, I am genuinely so excited. I'm meant to be looking for jobs at the moment but my CV is currently covered with all sorts of possible formations born out of me trying to get to grips with how we'll line up! I feel as if I can't proceed in life until this shit becomes clear...
Tell me about it, I got my exams coming up next week, and instead of studying I'm either discussing stuff like this on the forum, playing FIFA, or even if I'm out with friends they're all football fans so I can never "escape" this.
Would probably leave us too open in the back, if nothing else I think moving one of Jones/Smalling instead of Rio might be a good idea, both used to playing as a CB and a RB, and both younger with quicker legs.Too many players.
I've toyed with the idea of 3 centre backs in the Van Persie thread before he signed, with Evans pushing out wide towards the left back position and for Nani to track back if necessary, but it didn't go down well in the transfer forum.
Something like this:
--------------De Gea---------------
----Ferdinand---Vidic------Evans---
Valencia---Carrick---Cleverley----Nani--
-------------Kagawa--------------
----------Rooney---Van Persie--------
It would require Valencia being an absolute machine down the right (something like Alves for Barcelona), and Evans remembering what it was like when he was doing an impression of a world class left back for Northern Ireland a few years ago. Head tells me this wouldn't work given how used to playing with full backs we are, but it's one way of getting all these players in one line up...
Edit: This would never work, but what the hell I'm excited.
I understand you though, with so many attacking options you can't help but try and get an extra player in there, as was blatantly obvious a couple posts up
We gotta remember one thing though, this isn't FIFA where you can afford to play 3 at the back and come out alive (not that I play with 3 at the back, just saying). The computer's a dumbass (albeit an incredibily lucky one), but rest assured real players will punish you if you don't have any protection.
Tell me about it, I got my exams coming up next week, and instead of studying I'm either discussing stuff like this on the forum, playing FIFA, or even if I'm out with friends they're all football fans so I can never "escape" this.
Would probably leave us too open in the back, if nothing else I think moving one of Jones/Smalling instead of Rio might be a good idea, both used to playing as a CB and a RB, and both younger with quicker legs.
I understand you though, with so many attacking options you can't help but try and get an extra player in there, as was blatantly obvious a couple posts up
We gotta remember one thing though, this isn't FIFA where you can afford to play 3 at the back and come out alive (not that I play with 3 at the back, just saying). The computer's a dumbass (albeit an incredibily lucky one), but rest assured real players will punish you if you don't have any protection.
It's going to be such an anti-climax if it's 0-0 on Monday night...
Yeah, I think we're probably just going to have to accept at some point that it's probably not going to happen as far as getting all these players into a single balanced squad with them all in their natural positions is concerned. I bet even Fergie himself is still trying to decide whether it's possible, mind.
Playing days back in Holland
Nice piece by Henry Winter in the Telegraph today.
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