I can't wait to see them start off well, give it large about the title and how it's finally their year before they start fading away by November
spot on!!
Robbie Keane to Liverpool within 24 hours on 6 months loan (7 mill quid fee)
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spot on!!
Good player, and a good signing for liverpool unfortunatly. i think he'll fit into they're system nicely although as Cnut said it is a lot of money for someone his age
Better not bring that gay lord celebration with him!
Then they'll start playing well towards the end of the season when they're in 4th and playing for nothing, which is when they start talking about their potential for next season and that they're one or two signings away from challenging but the nasty owners won't give Rafa the money despite him spending millions on the previous summer.
Wonder who'll score more next season - Keane or Crouch?
Why does everybody say it will "break up" the Gerrard-Torres partnership instead of considering the possibility that ti will add to the Gerrard-Torres partnership?
Torres
Gerrard Keane
OR
Torres Keane
Gerrard
Either way, the partnership is still there.
What a load of twaddle Lizard. Didn't you spend £30m on Rooney and are now going to spend another £30m on Tevez and another possible £30m on Berbatov? We've just sold one of our strikers so he needs to be replaced. Replacing Crouch (a non-starter) for Keane (a definite starter) for a net spend of about £5m or £6m is an excellent move in anyones books. Take off your rose tinteds for a minute and you shoudl be able to admit that.
All the while we've been crying out for full backs but we've just been buying sh&te. That would be why we have signed 2 full backs then?
As for wingers...who are Arsenal's and Chelsea's good old fashioned wingers?
Ronaldo isn't even a fecking winger. Width can and will be provided by the fullbacks.
The jist of my post was spending lots of money on areas you don't really need to strengthen and buying shite in positions you need strengthening.
And my last point is correct.
How much would you pay for Berbatov, 27?
How much would you pay for Arshavin, 27?
How much would you pay for Eto'o, 27?
How much would you pay for David Villa, 26?
So where have we done this?
Jesus, it's as well you're not in charge of the transfer money at United but even so proves the point that age isn't important if the player is good enough.
Could you not think of a 28 year old player for that comparison?
I didn't try to smart arse. They are strikers who are on the market who are of similar age and who will most likely go for a similar if not greater fee.
Of course age matters.
When Benitez tries to sell Robbie Keane in 2 years time so Liverpool can 'move to the next level' its gonna be tough to get that money back for a 30yr old.
Keane will be a good signing, not a World Class player but not many are. Need to sort out the serious lack of width throughout their team, whether that be with new and proven full backs or wingers. Don't think it's a crazy figure, considering they signed Darren Bent went for a similar fee and prices these days are astronomical. In fact, with the sales the Pool have completed, it's a very good signing.
Don't think we should be overly worried by signings like these, we've more match winners than anyone and are looking to strengthen further. On a side note, will Gerrard be pushed out wide again?
Don't think we should be overly worried by signings like these, we've more match winners than anyone and are looking to strengthen further. On a side note, will Gerrard be pushed out wide again?
Now you're just being stupid.
It'll be interesting to see what Drogba, 30 goes for.
Those are just pie in the sky figures. How do you evaluate a player's worth?
If the player is identified as possessing the right qualities then you cannot really put a value on them. You cannot look at a player as an individual and slap a price tag on his as a result of that. Look at Carrick: we paid £18 million and a lot of people still think he was over priced. But the lad has been an integral part of our team for two seasons now. Could we not say that he was in fact under valued by Spurs?
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You do know that your fullbacks will probably be Carragher and Dossena right?
MnM has a point here. Sadly.
20m is a fair price for Robbie Keane.
20m is a fair price for Robbie Keane.
All of those players, with the possible exception of Arshavin, are far better players than Keane. So IMHO, they are not comparable.
I posted that list in direct response to the comments "that's a lot of money to pay for a 28 yeard old" so of course it is comparable.
It's not necessarily who is the better player but who will fit the team better. I would rather sign Keane than any of the above as IMO he will be awesome alongside Torres. The others with the exception of Arshavin are line leaders, no.1 strikers for which we have no need.
It's not necessarily who is the better player but who will fit the team better. I would rather sign Keane than any of the above as IMO he will be awesome alongside Torres. The others with the exception of Arshavin are line leaders, no.1 strikers for which we have no need.
All this arguing about price is silly, IMO. The only thing that matters when a club signs a player is will he or won't he strengthen their team. When it comes to negotiating the price, this will be down to people who know much, much more than any of us cnuts about the market-place they are working in.
All we should be debating about is:
a) Will Keane strengthen Liverpool's squad?
Yes.
b) Is he better than the equivalent players at their rivals for the league title?
Is he feck.
All we should be debating about is:
a) Will Keane strengthen Liverpool's squad?
Yes.
b) Is he better than the equivalent players at their rivals for the league title?
Is he feck.
All things considered:
Berbatov - 20
Arshavin - 12
Eto'o - 20
Villa - 24
Or there abouts.
Ironically Arshavin would be the only one we'd actually need ATM.
Interested to see how Benitez uses him. If its just as a replacement for when Torres is rested, then its going to be a long, dull season for Robbie Keane. Not top-drawer player, but a good player. He'll run his heart out for the team.
Worth 20m? Time will tell. The money would have been better spent on Silva though IMO.
Worth 20m? Time will tell. The money would have been better spent on Silva though IMO.
Never understood why Rafa never gave Crouch a run with Torres. He has a great touch and good link up play. Whilst Keane is probably better than Crouch, he isn't that much of a step up imo.
I wonder if Keane was their first choice target?
I wonder if Keane was their first choice target?
Fair enough. We'll have to agree to disagree. I would still say you can't compare players of greatly differing abilities, on the basis of their age alone. Keane doesn't belong in that bracket of players you mentioned.
But you are probably right, Liverpool do need a link man more than an out and out striker. I would have my doubts as to whether he's good enough at the level you need, but maybe I'm just bitter because of his pathetic showings for Ireland..
Spot on. WE should really move on.
Keane's a good player, but not the sort of one that would kick start a title challenge.
Do you really think Rio, Toure, and terrry, are thinking, oh shite they signed Keane.
Do you really think Rio, Toure, and terrry, are thinking, oh shite they signed Keane.
20 million pounds for Robbie fecking Keane? The world has gone mad...
Villa showed in the Euros he could drop into the hole if needed. The only problem you'd have with having Villa lineup next to Torres instead of Keane is Torres would no longer be your best player.
Keane is much more affordable and much more available. But he's also nowhere near as good, which explains why.
Almost forgot you listed Berbatov... Frankly Berbatov + Torres would have given you a championship winning front line. Still not enough behind it, but yes Berbatov is a great creative linkup player and would have suited you probably even more than Keane. The only thing Keane has on Berbatov is pace and with the partner being Torres, its not something you'd really miss.
If the news is true it surely means Berbatov wont move.
Let's see maybe its paper bollocks.
Let's see maybe its paper bollocks.
United splashed out £3.5 million on Spurs goalscorer/creator Teddy Sheringham back in 1997. A lot of money back then, especially when you consider United had broken the British transfer record 2 years earlier when they paid £7 million for Andy Cole. Even more astonishing, was the fact that Sheringham was 3 years older (31) than Keane is now, when he signed. Yet despite his age, & despite the fact he played in a Spurs side that never finished any higher than 7th in the Prem. He was still a major part in Manchester United winning 3 titles on the bounce, & finished top scorer in his final year at the club, aged 34.........Here's a piece from his Wiko :
In 2000-01, Sheringham played some of the best football of his career as he was United's top goalscorer, displacing Dwight Yorke as the preferred first-team player, as well as being voted Player of the Year by both the PFA and FWA.[12][13] His fine form ensured that he was still involved with the national side despite being in his 35th year, being named in the squad for the 2002 World Cup.
Now Sheringham & Keane have virtually identical records whilst playing for Tottenham. So £18 million for a proven Premiership goalscorer/creator is pretty good business.
In 2000-01, Sheringham played some of the best football of his career as he was United's top goalscorer, displacing Dwight Yorke as the preferred first-team player, as well as being voted Player of the Year by both the PFA and FWA.[12][13] His fine form ensured that he was still involved with the national side despite being in his 35th year, being named in the squad for the 2002 World Cup.
Now Sheringham & Keane have virtually identical records whilst playing for Tottenham. So £18 million for a proven Premiership goalscorer/creator is pretty good business.
£20m is far too much for Keane.
£20M is too much imo. Good player but I have watched him many times in games where he has been average(Ruropean ties). Hes a good all round front man, although Im still not sure whether he is the one who drops off or runs in behind. Same with Berbatov.
People have been saying he has a good goal record, yes but you dont just judge a player on goals, if we did, Yakubu would be at Utd and not Everton.
People have been saying he has a good goal record, yes but you dont just judge a player on goals, if we did, Yakubu would be at Utd and not Everton.
You said it yourself, we had just signed Cole for almost double that. And Sheringham was to be part of a 4 man strike force.
Wheres your Yorke, Cole, Sheringham and Solskjaer?
Torres, Keane, Kuyt and Voronin?
A lot of clubs could afford £3.5 million on a player back then. Not many can afford £18 million on one player now.
Wheres your Yorke, Cole, Sheringham and Solskjaer?
Torres, Keane, Kuyt and Voronin?
A lot of clubs could afford £3.5 million on a player back then. Not many can afford £18 million on one player now.
Fair enough. We'll have to agree to disagree. I would still say you can't compare players of greatly differing abilities, on the basis of their age alone. Keane doesn't belong in that bracket of players you mentioned.
But you are probably right, Liverpool do need a link man more than an out and out striker. I would have my doubts as to whether he's good enough at the level you need, but maybe I'm just bitter because of his pathetic showings for Ireland..
33 goals in 81 internationals ?!?!?!......... Thats cock out stuff.
a) Sheringham didn't rely on pace and was freakishly fit considering his lifestyle and age.
b) The wingers when he was at United were Giggs and Beckham both in their prime compared to Babel and Kuyt/Gerrard
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