Until next month. Rinse and repeat.
Rivaldo, still hasn't retired.
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Well Baggio hit his peak in the early 1990s so I would set him with the likes of Romario and Laudrup. In the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Zidane who stood above the rest. Ronaldo and Rivaldo hitting the more consistent and sustained form over a 2-3 year period, whereas Zidane flitted in and out of phases of sheer quality over a longer timespan.
Finally retired..
he'll be back
at which level?
Still remember watching that live as a huge Rivaldo fan. Absolutely glorious stuff.
Top thread. Would read again.
What a player. My favourite. 
Yeah. A disgrace. Showed where soccer was gone to, even in 2002. Now, it's 16 years later and Liverpool STILL haven't won the league!! LOL
DAMN!!!!
Didn't he retire like 2 or 3 years ago? This bump confuses me.
This thread should be immune to any rules against necro-bumping. Always a pleasure to read it again
Rivaldo: Crying during Brazil anthem at World Cup 'a sign of weakness'
http://global.espn.com/football/bra...brazil-anthem-at-world-cup-a-sign-of-weakness
I will never get why adult men will always have an opinion against crying. Just reeks of insecurity to me and the need to hide behind a masculine wall to prove their manliness.
http://global.espn.com/football/bra...brazil-anthem-at-world-cup-a-sign-of-weakness
I will never get why adult men will always have an opinion against crying. Just reeks of insecurity to me and the need to hide behind a masculine wall to prove their manliness.
I understand the social stigma about men crying etc, but why would anyone cry because of a national anthem? I could never understand patriotism to that level!
Although I agree that people who say 'men shouldn't cry' are emotional cripples who struggle with their own masculinity, there's something in this.
Rio was in floods before the Brazil game in the 2002 World Cup and ultimately went on to play quite poorly during the game. He wrote an open letter to a 16 year old version of himself in the paper (on here somewhere, definitely worth a read), he goes on to say that he vowed to himself after that game he would never let that happen again. He said that he allowed himself to become emotional due to the occasion, which meant his focus went and he started making mistakes. Ultimately, England lost that game and went out despite going 1-0 up.
Jokes about adults crying over football aside, it can't be the best preparation for a game, to get so emotional that you are in tears.
When the camera pans down during the anthems, I've always preferred to see players so focused that they look like a psychopath, rather than acting like pisshead at a New Years Eve party when Wonderwall is played. There's a respectful middle ground of course.
Rivaldo is a tosspot though.
When the camera pans down during the anthems, I've always preferred to see players so focused that they look like a psychopath, rather than acting like pisshead at a New Years Eve party when Wonderwall is played. There's a respectful middle ground of course.
Rivaldo is a tosspot though.
International legend, but how is he seen on national level?
There's nothing wrong with crying.
But doing it before a game does show weakness. The opposition players will see a player who is emotional and feel they can exploit this. Surely this is obvious.
so he's completely right
But doing it before a game does show weakness. The opposition players will see a player who is emotional and feel they can exploit this. Surely this is obvious.
so he's completely right
Yeah, I personally will not cry during my national anthem, but I certainly will not question another's patriotism whether they cry or not. I missed the Brazil vs Switzerland last night. Just how much tears are we talking about here? A bit of tearing or bawling their eyes out?
Surely men crying and men crying because they are about to do their job are 2 different things. I can understand/sympathise with men crying because they've had horrible experiences, or very joyous ones...
But crying at the start of your shift? You'll always get jokes about your skirt for that.
But crying at the start of your shift? You'll always get jokes about your skirt for that.
It’s more about the need to be on an even emotional keel ahead of a big game as opposed to, for instance, the braveheart passion play we saw from Brazil in the 2014 semi.
Do you actually watch that match? Those players lost their head. But, yeah, grown men shouldn't cry. Or anyone, for that matter. It's not about proving manliness, it's about actually being manly. People need to be tough in tough situations; becoming a massive, blubbering vagina helps no-one.
A mod needs to do something here.
We can't have a wonderful thread like this, that brought joy to so many, be sullied by the clusterfeck of a debate this is heading towards.
We can't have a wonderful thread like this, that brought joy to so many, be sullied by the clusterfeck of a debate this is heading towards.
No, I did not watch the match. And I don't think that their crying and the performance on the pitch are correlated at all. And it all depends on circumstance. If a player trips and falls on his ass and starts crying then yeah by all means call him a sissy. But I personally don't think crying during the national anthem warrants being mocked as being girly. The players are probably swayed by the fact that they worked their butts off to be where they are now, representing their country on the biggest footballing stage. Who knows? It all depends on situation. I know I'm definitely not in a place to judge.
But your sweeping statement just proves my exact point. You don't need to call someone a "massive blubbering vagina" to feel manly about yourself.
Apologies sir, as I haven't been imbued the powers to start a new thread.
Fair. Wasn't having a go at you, mate. Hopefully a bored mod will sort it out.
Having the right emotional mindset is important going into a game. Being overwhelmed by pressure or not being focussed isn't good when you have to compete. It has nothing to do with the 'show your feminine side' stuff that you've wedged in here.
I never said anything about feeling. I talked about being in control and being useful.
Great player, difficult personality.
Agreed. It's basically a three post thread, but a great one at that.