Rising anti-semitism across the world

johnnyteutonic said:


The video above is just one of many instances of the steep rise in anti-semitism seen across the world recently.
I posted it because it happened in my hometown, within a couple of kilometres where I live.

And recently this also happened close to where I live:

synagogue bombing - terrorism or not?

It's about time this is taken seriously.
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Nazism just doesn’t hit the same with an Aussie accent

Mate
 
Salt Bailly said:
Looks like a dozen douchebags who watched Romper Stomper a few too many times.
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I was assuming it was something to do with Israel’s actions in the Middle East. Then I watched the video and was like, nope, just dickheads
 
Salt Bailly said:
Looks like a dozen douchebags who watched Romper Stomper a few too many times.
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I'll admit it is pretty damn comical.
The synagogue bombing, not so much.

Just hurts a bit when it's close to home but I know that many cities in Europe have these issues too of course.
And then of course, rising Islamophobia is a very serious issue too.
 
It seems clear to me that the amplification of Musk and Musk's amplification of the far-right has lead to people being increasingly comfortable to air their antisemitism.

 
The Australian tendency to raise their pitch at the end of their sentences, which turns statements into questions, just doesn't suit Nazism.

Nazism needs a monotone delivery that conveys strength.

For that reason alone, I think Australia will be ok.
 
Extremism is rising everywhere it seems.. it’s clearly impacting mainstream politics and everyday life

Is there a paralell to the rise in extremism in europe 100 years ago? That period was accelerated by new forms of communication like radio, tv etc..

Since the internet communication has been accelerated and changed again but in different ways, and more extremism seems to be one of the results
 
The genocide in Palestine isn't helping matters either, with Israeli politicians crying wolf at every available juncture.

It's kind of weird, I went onto a lot of Jewish/pro-Israel sub-reddits during the past few weeks, just interested to see the talking points. Whenever Ireland is brought up, it's met with a lot of disdain and hatred because of this perception of anti-semitism in Ireland.

I have not once in my life, ever, ever, heard anything pejorative against the Jewish community in Ireland. Travellers, gypsies, black people, Indians, eastern Europeans....yep...all the time. Not once have I ever heard a singular person espose anything even slightly anti-semitic though. Only anti-Israel and their foreign policy - which, to my mind, is fair game.

Curious with other Irish posters, Ireland is being painted on /r/jewish, /r/israel, /r/worldnews and a bunch of other sub-reddits as having this horrific problem with anti-semitisim. Has anyone ever actually encountered it in day-to-day Ireland? I haven't.
 
You're not going to get a good idea of trends from looking at single instances. Synagogue bombings is something that has happened for many decades, and this little nazi meetup pales in comparison to many older ones.

If we're talking online you also have to consider if we're talking aggregates or specific platforms. Obviously on a site like Twitter antisemitism will have increased a lot, because they used to have rules against it while now it's allowed and actively encouraged by the owner. In contrast, on Reddit it will have declined over the last decade because the rules have gotten stricter.

I'd say toleration of antisemitism by the mainstream was higher than it is now in the years leading up to the Unite the Right rally in 2017, but I don't know that for a fact of course.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
The genocide in Palestine isn't helping matters either, with Israeli politicians crying wolf at every available juncture.

It's kind of weird, I went onto a lot of Jewish/pro-Israel sub-reddits during the past few weeks, just interested to see the talking points. Whenever Ireland is brought up, it's met with a lot of disdain and hatred because of this perception of anti-semitism in Ireland.

I have not once in my life, ever, ever, heard anything pejorative against the Jewish community in Ireland. Travellers, gypsies, black people, Indians, eastern Europeans....yep...all the time. Not once have I ever heard a singular person espose anything even slightly anti-semitic though. Only anti-Israel and their foreign policy - which, to my mind, is fair game.

Curious with other Irish posters, Ireland is being painted on /r/jewish, /r/israel, /r/worldnews and a bunch of other sub-reddits as having this horrific problem with anti-semitisim. Has anyone ever actually encountered it in day-to-day Ireland? I haven't.
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Nope. And I’ve definitely encountered a few other -isms. It seems obvious to me that our reputation as antisemites is based on the stance of our government re Palestine. As well as longstanding sympathy because of our own history.

Having said that, I’m not on Twitter. So wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a lot of antisemitic crap on there from our increasingly vocal right wing dickheads.
 
Shouldn't this be in the CE Forum?

In The General, you'll end up with the usual suspects trivialising the issue and parody threads.

The rise of the right across Europe is worrying. It's only a matter of time before it becomes more prevalent in the UK, with the Reform MPs now part of the House of Commons.

I don't, particularly, believe Farage is directly racist, didn't he leave a previous iteration because its views became too extreme? However, I doubt he would be able to stop racist elements 'taking over' Reform, which some were already doing at this year's election.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
The genocide in Palestine isn't helping matters either, with Israeli politicians crying wolf at every available juncture.

It's kind of weird, I went onto a lot of Jewish/pro-Israel sub-reddits during the past few weeks, just interested to see the talking points. Whenever Ireland is brought up, it's met with a lot of disdain and hatred because of this perception of anti-semitism in Ireland.

I have not once in my life, ever, ever, heard anything pejorative against the Jewish community in Ireland. Travellers, gypsies, black people, Indians, eastern Europeans....yep...all the time. Not once have I ever heard a singular person espose anything even slightly anti-semitic though. Only anti-Israel and their foreign policy - which, to my mind, is fair game.
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I am a member of that same sub you are referring to.
I cannot comment that much about the sub, as I am not very active on it but I do see a lot of hysteria on it.
Some of it I can relate to but not on something that I have no experience in - I will trust your judgement on the misperception of Ireland by certain sections of the community.

As regards to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and the escalation into egregious war crimes and whatnot, obviously that plays a factor, not that it excuses it.

But if you want to know talking points, generally speaking, a lot of the community feel we can no longer distinguish between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism, for the obvious reason that many of us relate to Israel as the only Jewish state in existence, something we may see as a safe haven/sanctuary, after facing a lot of historical persecution, and so when we see the quantity and intensity of onslaught towards Israel, no matter how justified it is, it does lean into what we were taught growing up.

I am the descendant of Holocaust survivors on both sides of my family. When I learnt the stories growing up from my grandparents, as have many of us over the world, that leads to a victim mentality, because....yes, we have been victimised a lot through history.

So seeing what the Israeli government has been doing to the Palestinian people, and trying to process how awful it is, leads to a lot of cognitive dissonance, at least for me.

I do not think it helps when sometimes calls of anti-semitism are met with derision - yes, there are people that may (perhaps inadvertently) be using it as a shield, but I think that some of it may come across as your own misperception that it is a 'card being played', as opposed to a genuine perception of a world that dislikes you. I am not talking about your particular instance about Israeli politicians, but of my own perception across society.
 
NotThatSoph said:
You're not going to get a good idea of trends from looking at single instances. Synagogue bombings is something that has happened for many decades, and this little nazi meetup pales in comparison to many older ones.

If we're talking online you also have to consider if we're talking aggregates or specific platforms. Obviously on a site like Twitter antisemitism will have increased a lot, because they used to have rules against it while now it's allowed and actively encouraged by the owner. In contrast, on Reddit it will have declined over the last decade because the rules have gotten stricter.

I'd say toleration of antisemitism by the mainstream was higher than it is now in the years leading up to the Unite the Right rally in 2017, but I don't know that for a fact of course.
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Fair point but I am not just talking about trends from individual instances - whilst this is close to home, the statistics show that anti-semitism has been massively increasing from what I've read: ahrc and time and many, many others (ADL for example) have shown this to be the case.
Regarding 'tolerance' of it, I cannot say, so that is a fair point.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
The genocide in Palestine isn't helping matters either, with Israeli politicians crying wolf at every available juncture.

It's kind of weird, I went onto a lot of Jewish/pro-Israel sub-reddits during the past few weeks, just interested to see the talking points. Whenever Ireland is brought up, it's met with a lot of disdain and hatred because of this perception of anti-semitism in Ireland.

I have not once in my life, ever, ever, heard anything pejorative against the Jewish community in Ireland. Travellers, gypsies, black people, Indians, eastern Europeans....yep...all the time. Not once have I ever heard a singular person espose anything even slightly anti-semitic though. Only anti-Israel and their foreign policy - which, to my mind, is fair game.

Curious with other Irish posters, Ireland is being painted on /r/jewish, /r/israel, /r/worldnews and a bunch of other sub-reddits as having this horrific problem with anti-semitisim. Has anyone ever actually encountered it in day-to-day Ireland? I haven't.
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Is there a Jewish community of note in Ireland? The only history of Jews in Ireland I'm aware of is the Limerick Boycott/Pogrom.

The most recent census suggests no community of note and Irish history doesn't exactly align itself favourably to the plight of Jews in Europe.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Shouldn't this be in the CE Forum?

In The General, you'll end up with the usual suspects trivialising the issue and parody threads.

The rise of the right across Europe is worrying. It's only a matter of time before it becomes more prevalent in the UK, with the Reform MPs now part of the House of Commons.

I don't, particularly, believe Farage is directly racist, didn't he leave a previous iteration because its views became too extreme? However, I doubt he would be able to stop racist elements 'taking over' Reform, which some were already doing at this year's election.
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This is my first thread on the caf, so I may be in error here in posting this in the general forum.
I am aware of Farage's reputation but haven't had the time to delve much into his messages.
 
Ireland is definitely not anti-Semitic, not at any type of scale, not even close. Even while pro-Palestine, people aren't anti-Israel at all.

We are definitely anti-killing a massive amount of innocent people though.

I'm very proud of our stance in this. We have cross-party support on it too, opposition very much aligned with government. It's great to see.
 
It is quite funny/disturbing that the Israeli state have obfuscated the notion of anti-semitism to the point that there are seemingly Jews around the world that think Ireland hates them and is some hotbed of anti-Jewish bigots. Congrats, I guess.
 
groovyalbert said:
Is there a Jewish community of note in Ireland? The only history of Jews in Ireland I'm aware of is the Limerick Boycott/Pogrom.

The most recent census suggests no community of note and Irish history doesn't exactly align itself favourably to the plight of Jews in Europe.
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The only Jew of note that I know of is the fictitious Leopold Bloom from Ulysses.
Would be interested if there are from those in the know here.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Nope. And I’ve definitely encountered a few other -isms. It seems obvious to me that our reputation as antisemites is based on the stance of our government re Palestine. As well as longstanding sympathy because of our own history.

Having said that, I’m not on Twitter. So wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a lot of antisemitic crap on there from our increasingly vocal right wing dickheads.
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It's mad though, trawling through a few of the above listed sub-reddits you'd find posts claiming rampant anti-Jewish sentiment, which really just does not exist in Ireland from what I have seen.Posts like this and actually the entire thread are just the tip of the iceberg. A lot if anti-Irish sentiment on the aul Jewish forums these days.
 
As it’s Christmas and we’re all about to get together with family, I suggest we all go away and discuss the subjects of populism and the rise of the right wing over the family dinner table…..that will be a comfortable safe space to discuss the issues
 
RedC said:
It is quite funny/disturbing that the Israeli state have obfuscated the notion of anti-semitism to the point that there are seemingly Jews around the world that think Ireland hates them and is some hotbed of anti-Jewish bigots. Congrats, I guess.
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It's mad. It's fairly well known the Israeli government pay for a lot of spin/propaganda, but looking at the wikipedia article about Jewish people in Ireland you'd think there was such a strong anti-Jewish sentiment, something which really does not exist :lol:.

I was just reading this post where someone comments " "Ireland can sit on a dreidel and spin " though - in fairness, that's pretty funny. Disturbing it has 700 upvotes, but...pretty funny.
 
Reapersoul20 said:


This kind of shit is just so insane. The propaganda that must be getting fed to these people.
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The conflation of support for Palestine as being pro-Hamas is fecking stupid. That would be like conflating a normal UK citizen with support for Nigel Farage or conflating being Jewish with support for genocide in Gaza. Such a damaging and divisive mentality.
 
Fridge chutney said:
The conflation of support for Palestine as being pro-Hamas is fecking stupid. That would be like conflating a normal UK citizen with support for Nigel Farage or conflating being Jewish with support for genocide in Gaza. Such a damaging and divisive mentality.
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To be fair, if you see a house draped in Union Jacks you’ll assume they’re a Farage voter. And anyone who flies an Israeli flag will be assumed to be a Zionist.

So you can see why Jewish people might assume the worst when they see Palestinian flags all over Dublin. Especially if they’re ignorant about Ireland’s historical reasons for supporting Palestine.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
The genocide in Palestine isn't helping matters either, with Israeli politicians crying wolf at every available juncture.

It's kind of weird, I went onto a lot of Jewish/pro-Israel sub-reddits during the past few weeks, just interested to see the talking points. Whenever Ireland is brought up, it's met with a lot of disdain and hatred because of this perception of anti-semitism in Ireland.

I have not once in my life, ever, ever, heard anything pejorative against the Jewish community in Ireland. Travellers, gypsies, black people, Indians, eastern Europeans....yep...all the time. Not once have I ever heard a singular person espose anything even slightly anti-semitic though. Only anti-Israel and their foreign policy - which, to my mind, is fair game.

Curious with other Irish posters, Ireland is being painted on /r/jewish, /r/israel, /r/worldnews and a bunch of other sub-reddits as having this horrific problem with anti-semitisim. Has anyone ever actually encountered it in day-to-day Ireland? I haven't.
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Disliking Israel the countries actions and their policies and not just giving them carte Blanche to kill and steal from whoever they want is enough to be labelled anti Semitic supposedly. I’ve never heard one Irish person say anything about a Jew or a Protestant apart from the nudge nudge england or Israel are at it again. You could easily make friends if they were sound and open to chatting. Agree to disagree etc.

Yes the orange lads in the north are fair game as they can’t hide their hatred and contempt for us but they are actually also the closest thing to Zionists in Europe today but England has cut them off more or less. Colonial Nutcases basically. Muslims are getting a bad rap since America and the west decided to go to war with a religion to steal their oil and land and the kind of people who can’t be arsed to read a book reflect that here now too unfortunately.

Irish people are against colonialism and violating international law and rightly so given our past experiences. The British and the Americans have totally fecked the world protecting and enriching their 1%.
 
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There have been some very disturbing anti-semitic attacks here in Australia recently, but also some Islamaphobic attacks as well. This conflict brings the nutters, fanatics and bigots out of the woodwork.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
To be fair, if you see a house draped in Union Jacks you’ll assume they’re a Farage voter.
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Most normal UK citizens don't do this (I assume). And if you saw people waving a UK flag during the Olympics or during a war you wouldn't assume they were pro-Farage.

You'd also have to be wilfully ignorant or disingenuous to look at global support for Palestine (where people by and large are criticizing civilian casualties and Israeli military practices) and draw the parallel of support for Hamas. I have a hard time buying that such parallels are made in good faith.
 
johnnyteutonic said:
Fair point but I am not just talking about trends from individual instances - whilst this is close to home, the statistics show that anti-semitism has been massively increasing from what I've read: ahrc and time and many, many others (ADL for example) have shown this to be the case.
Regarding 'tolerance' of it, I cannot say, so that is a fair point.
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I can't speak for the first two links you've posted but, given that the ADL's definition of anti-semitism includes anti-zionism, it's not really a surprise they're reporting more anti-semitic incidents.
 
golden_blunder said:
It’s obvious from that post that he/she/they have the brain of a flea
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A lot of fleas in those threads with similar opinions though - scary stuff. Makes me glad the shinners didn't get in, not sure I'd trust them to navigate that conversation in a way that would improve foreign relations :D
 
Pogue Mahone said:
To be fair, if you see a house draped in Union Jacks you’ll assume they’re a Farage voter. And anyone who flies an Israeli flag will be assumed to be a Zionist.
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I've never understood that to be honest. You really don't see it in the UK very often. Union Jacks are reserved for public buildings and churches etc.... You rarely see houses flying them. Not like in the USA where they are everywhere in many areas.

You see far more Ukraine flags everywhere and of course England and home nation flags for the rugby or football and Union Jacks for the Olympics and Commonwealth games.

Outside of that I just don't get it, I mean is it to remind people what country they are living in, in case they forget?
 
langster said:
I've never understood that to be honest. You really don't see it in the UK very often. Union Jacks are reserved for public buildings and churches etc.... You rarely see houses flying them. Not like in the USA where they are everywhere in many areas.

You see far more Ukraine flags everywhere and of course England and home nation flags for the rugby or football and Union Jacks for the Olympics and Commonwealth games.

Outside of that I just don't get it, I mean is it to remind people what country they are living in, in case they forget?
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I think generally anyone who feels the need to hang flags up on their home is a rabid nationalist. Different story if they hang up flags from other countries but it’s always a political statement.
 
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