Right Winger... Who do we go for?

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Mourinho really wants Willian, but Woodward is haggling too much over price. Therefore, Jose plays super-defensive in the last two friendlies so he can point at the stats and say: "See! I told you we needed a new winger! Now, go and pay whatever Chelsea want."

Together with all the comments, it's a fire under Woody's arse.
 
Still baffled how we didn't go for Mane when we could, he was pretty good and EPL proven. Nothing against Mikhi but he was known for his sensitive nature and he was coming from a different league where he played super attacking footy under Klopp and Tuchel. Plus Mane is 3 years younger than Mikhi.
 
I really think Willian is the man to go for in the last few days. He’s exactly the kind of work horse that we need on the opposite wing to Alexis. They will both track back and support the defence as well as create plenty of chances. I’d be happy with Willian and Maguire in before the deadline.
 
Dante said:
Theory:

Mourinho really wants Willian, but Woodward is haggling too much over price. Therefore, Jose plays super-defensive in the last two friendlies so he can point at the stats and say: "See! I told you we needed a new winger! Now, go and pay whatever Chelsea want."

Together with all the comments, it's a fire under Woody's arse.
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It's hard to argue against your theory although I'd like to think there are more grown up ways of conducting yourself, but then again we are talking Jose !
 
Scott Jones said:
I really think Willian is the man to go for in the last few days. He’s exactly the kind of work horse that we need on the opposite wing to Alexis. They will both track back and support the defence as well as create plenty of chances. I’d be happy with Willian and Maguire in before the deadline.
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Then we'll be left with 2 starting wingers both over 30 and on massive wages.

It's fairly evident why board is reluctant to spend that much money on aging players that will be in need of replacing in couple of years.

Our rivals are buying players in their early to mid 20's the likes of Mane, Sane, Salah, Sterling, Bernardo Silva, Son, heck even Mahrez who's 27 in hopes of improving them.

While on the other hand we spend our days chasing for targets that are 1 leg in retirement home the likes of Willian, Perišić, Bale, Sanchez etc all whilst hoping one of them will come and magically improve us and make us look like a proper side.
 
Dante said:
Theory:

Mourinho really wants Willian, but Woodward is haggling too much over price. Therefore, Jose plays super-defensive in the last two friendlies so he can point at the stats and say: "See! I told you we needed a new winger! Now, go and pay whatever Chelsea want."

Together with all the comments, it's a fire under Woody's arse.
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The idea a manager would handicap his team just to prove a point to his boss is bonkers.
A manager like that needs sacking.
 
why does everyone seem to want willian? I don't think hes much better than what we've already got especially for 60+ million.
 
Dante said:
Theory:

Mourinho really wants Willian, but Woodward is haggling too much over price. Therefore, Jose plays super-defensive in the last two friendlies so he can point at the stats and say: "See! I told you we needed a new winger! Now, go and pay whatever Chelsea want."

Together with all the comments, it's a fire under Woody's arse.
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I must admit I did think when McTominay came on yesterday and sort of played on the right it did seem like maybe it was to show Woodward what we still lack an option there.
 
I know i will be getting slagged for making this post.:D Chelsea did it with David Luiz , Dimaria resigning? :nervous: Not exactly starting for Psg is he.
 
No RW, no LB, no chance of challenging for the big trophies this season.

Strange act of self-sabotage from "the richest club in the World".
 
Willian's come out and declared his commitment to Chelsea.

Any other realistic options now?

Or play Rashford on the right? He is a decent crosser after all.
 
jderbyshire said:
Willian's come out and declared his commitment to Chelsea.

Any other realistic options now?

Or play Rashford on the right? He is a decent crosser after all.
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Define realistic. Players that would improve us and the we could get? A few.

Players that we are being linked with? 0. And Mourinho said he's not looking to sign forwards this year.
 
Adisa said:
The idea a manager would handicap his team just to prove a point to his boss is bonkers.
A manager like that needs sacking.
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It's not bonkers if it takes place in meaningless pre-season games.
Once the season starts, to play these types of games in EPL matches, it would be a completely different story, because a manager can get fired for not qualifying for the CL.
 
Infra-red said:
No RW, no LB, no chance of challenging for the big trophies this season.

Strange act of self-sabotage from "the richest club in the World".
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It's all about profit, mate.
The club is operating like a business and the only thing that matters is the profit. Now, if our (low) league placing results in a decline in profit, then the Glazers will take action.
Arsenal were exactly the same. When Wenger was in charge, Wenger kept AFC in the CL and profits were good. the moment he struggled to get CL qualification, he left.
Top 4 qualifying and minimal transfer spending is the model which the Glazers want to use.

Some people will say that, "we spent big in Jose's first year. And what about LVG's first year."
Notice, that that money was spent when we were out of the CL. The moment we got back in, the spending reduced.
In LVG's 2nd Summer, after he qualified for CL, we did not spend big and the same appears to be happening now.
 
Looks like we're not going for RW but why can't we play Rashford out there. The kid has pace so he can beat a man by using it. Why not coach him to play out there if mourinho wants something different for his wideman. He has the workrate too.

A long time since we had a winger that hugs the touchline and beat a man and put a cross in. This system of having widemen cutting in doesn't work for us in some games, especially teams that sit back. Would love to see us play with width and stretch teams and have full backs that overlap.
 
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If the intention is to play a 3 man midfield after the addition of Fred to the club, then the right winger has to be a goal scoring attacking player. A one in two or one in three kind of goal scorer. Bale is the only one I can think of who fits the bill. Willian or Persis (Don't know why he is mentioned as he mainly plays on the left) are not the answers. Both are workhorses who would do well in 4231/451 system where the goal scoring burden is on others and their job is to provide pace and defensive cover.

If we don't get a RW, which is looking more likely, I hope Jose plays Sanchez, Lukaku and one of Marital or Rashford together behind the midfield of Pogba, Fred and Matic. All of them are comfortable drifting wide or playing through the center. Kind of like when Sir Alex played the triumvirate of Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo together.
 
I still think everyone is missing a big issue in any hunt for a right winger.... The mass consensus seems to be playing a 3 man midfield, with 3 across the frontline. Lukaku through the middle, Sanchez from the left, and the new RW from the right...

Is it just me, or are we yet to see Sanchez have a single good game playing from the left?? His best years at Arsenal were playing though the middle, as was all his good work in pre season. For me, solving a problem on the right wing just creates another on the left as none of Sanchez, Martial or Rashford have shown any consistency there in recent years. Surely we would be better setting up with a formation that gets the best out of the players we already have, which means a front two. Sanchez playing off Lukaku could be magic!

I still think we need a 3 man midfield to get the best out of Pogba, so 352 is the only thing that seems to make any sense.

It removes the need for a new RW, and I personally think Young would do a cracking job as a RWB for a season or two until Dalot matures, and would give us some natural width rather than always cutting inside. I don't think Valencia has the crossing ability for that position anymore.

I'd be going all out for a left footed LWB to give us width on the other side. But to be fair, there aren't many candidates on the market. Sandro seems like the only viable option but he had a pretty average season last term... So still no obvious solution.
 
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Bojan11 said:
Why are people saying Zaha?

He’s played through the middle or left for Palace last year.

His best position is a free role down the middle, which he won’t get with us.
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He scored 5 goals and 9 assists in 21 appearances from the RW the season before last.
 
Not sure how reliable if anything but over the summer there have been numerous different stories on Ousmane Dembele, supposedly unsettled, Barca saying untransferrable, that supposedly being rubbish with the addition of not many could afford the price they would want.
I’m a huge fan of the guy and would love him at United. He would solve so much of the issues on the right.
 
—Bailly——Alderweireld——Smalling
—————-Fred——--Matic
Willian————-Pogba————-Perisic
—————Lukaku——Sanchez
 
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Unless something crazy happens, like playing Sanchez on the right and letting Martial thrive on the left... we will automatically not compete for the title if we start the season using Mata, Lingard or Rashford and keep it like that for 38 games.

Martial on the left and Sanchez on the right, is wastly superior to Sanchez on the left and one of the other guys on the right. 100%
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Not sure how reliable if anything but over the summer there have been numerous different stories on Ousmane Dembele, supposedly unsettled, Barca saying untransferrable, that supposedly being rubbish with the addition of not many could afford the price they would want.
I’m a huge fan of the guy and would love him at United. He would solve so much of the issues on the right.
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Would love to see it but doubt Barcelona would easily let him go. He's a huge asset to them and still very young. If they want 40-50m EUR for someone like Mina, have to wonder how high they'll value him.
 
Adisa said:
The idea a manager would handicap his team just to prove a point to his boss is bonkers.
A manager like that needs sacking.
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Not really.

The goal of preseason is to get the first team fit for the coming campaign.

Chasing shadows is the best way to get that sharpness.

Without first choice players like Matic, Pogba, Lingard and Lukaku, there's precious little attacking training that can be of benefit to the first team.

If it comes down to a choice of either: get the first team defenders as fit as possible OR get the reserves gelling well together, any competent manager would choose the former.
 
mikey_d said:
why does everyone seem to want willian? I don't think hes much better than what we've already got especially for 60+ million.
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Desperation, i include myself in that group. I think Willian is a good winger, not great but good. At this stage i would take him or just about any good right winger.

Where i disagree is he actually is much better than our current right wing options which consist of Mata and Lingard. He is a far better winger than both, mostly because he is an actual winger.
 
why do we need a right winger? We have Mata he is pacy, tricky, and always beats his man to the byline and produces brilliant crosses . . . . . or could we try Mctominay there?

In all seriousness we do not play with wingers as such we play 4-3-3, the issue we have is that our full backs do not get forward and cannot cross. Just hope Dalot gets fit and surprises us.
 
only thing Willian would add is a bit more balance to the squad. not sure his assist or goal scoring record is that great, very rarely produces a moment of magic. just seems a rather poor signing add in the fact will be no re-sale value. seems a rather pointless signing
 
yamo123x said:
why do we need a right winger? We have Mata he is pacy, tricky, and always beats his man to the byline and produces brilliant crosses . . . . . or could we try Mctominay there?

In all seriousness we do not play with wingers as such we play 4-3-3, the issue we have is that our full backs do not get forward and cannot cross. Just hope Dalot gets fit and surprises us.
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Pacy is not how I'll describe Mata...
 
friendlytramp said:
—Bailly——Alderweireld——Smalling
—————-Fred——--Matic
Willian————-Pogba————-Perisic
—————Lukaku——Sanchez
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I was thinking along these lines myself.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Would love to see it but doubt Barcelona would easily let him go. He's a huge asset to them and still very young. If they want 40-50m EUR for someone like Mina, have to wonder how high they'll value him.
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Was just checking the fee he went to Barca for and according to Transfrmarkt it was 103 mil. I thought it was more than that but I’d imagine we’d be looking at close to 150 mil due to current market values. Soooo who really knows if there is a willingness at the club to spend that sort of cash on someone who isn’t Bale.
 
Dante said:
Theory:

Mourinho really wants Willian, but Woodward is haggling too much over price. Therefore, Jose plays super-defensive in the last two friendlies so he can point at the stats and say: "See! I told you we needed a new winger! Now, go and pay whatever Chelsea want."

Together with all the comments, it's a fire under Woody's arse.
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True.. i remember these tactics when he wanted John Stones and he started playing a high line!!

Unfortunately Roman was having non of it like Woody.
 
Lukaku at RW, and Rashford or Martial at CF. Problem solved. Lukaku has proven his worth at RW.
 
VorZakone said:
Lukaku at RW, and Rashford or Martial at CF. Problem solved. Lukaku has proven his worth at RW.
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I'd be happy with this, Lukaku's great at cutting in from the right and he's hard to stop when running with the ball.

Problem is Mourinho strangely seems reluctant to try out new positions for players, Alexis has to play LW, Lukaku has to be the CF. I feel like SAF was far more flexible with his lineups and far more open to playing players out of position if it'd help the team as a whole.
 
Patrick08 said:
I know i will be getting slagged for making this post.:D Chelsea did it with David Luiz , Dimaria resigning? :nervous: Not exactly starting for Psg is he.
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I wouldn't mind it, great player. His problems were with LvG anyway, right?

What about Dembele + £100 million for Pogba, use the £100 on SMS as replacement?

I miss playing FM, might pick it up again this year and fix the mess at United :lol:
 
VorZakone said:
Lukaku at RW, and Rashford or Martial at CF. Problem solved. Lukaku has proven his worth at RW.
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Aye, Lukaku's crossing is fantastic, even Sanchez at some point could take the striker role as he looked like aboslute monster on tour. The big question is: Can they (Rash and Anthony) take responsibility of 20+ goal poachers this year or is it too early ?

Signing solid RW is probably still the safest option and I just can't comprehend what are we waiting for. Is Jose that stuborn he didn't even write alternative winger targets on his list ?
 
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