Who would you prefer between Willian and Pulisic?
Right Winger... Who do we go for?
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Makes no difference to me.
Having Mata and Sanchez as the two attacking wide players is just pitiful tbh - neither of them are capable of dribbling with the ball up the pitch in order to threaten their full-backs and relieve pressure on the defence.
Every time both of them receive the ball all they can do is turn inside or backwards. Sanchez looks a tiny bit sharper than at the end of last season, but I doubt he will be any more effective in such a system, he is only really effective in an attacking sense in a team which has already pushed forward so he can operate around the edge of the box. He just loses the ball time and again whenever he's required to help Utd to transition from defence to attack from the middle of the pitch.
A winger capable of actually running with the damn ball is a must, especially when Jose is so fond of setting up his teams relatively deep.
Every time both of them receive the ball all they can do is turn inside or backwards. Sanchez looks a tiny bit sharper than at the end of last season, but I doubt he will be any more effective in such a system, he is only really effective in an attacking sense in a team which has already pushed forward so he can operate around the edge of the box. He just loses the ball time and again whenever he's required to help Utd to transition from defence to attack from the middle of the pitch.
A winger capable of actually running with the damn ball is a must, especially when Jose is so fond of setting up his teams relatively deep.
I hope one of Alderweireld, Maguire, Mina or Boateng can play in this role, looking at the way our transfer window is panning out....
Little evidence that players in the first team is improving or developing, bar Lingaard.
Buying Pulisic and hope that he will improve, not the best for him or us.
Buying an experienced player familiar with playing in an attacking system with no plan and able to make immediate impacts makes more sense (with the current manager).
Short term: Willian is the best option.
Long term: If we in the (near) future change management and appoint a manager that is able to improve/develope our players, then yes Pulisic could be a good investment.
It sounds like he's about to sign for Wolves and i can't say i've seen much of him but he couldn't be worse than having to watch Mata on the right for another season:
I'm getting desperate, so I'm doing a 180. Get Zaha in.
He's looking really good in this league, he's at a great age (25), has matured a lot, we have 25% sell on fee so cheaper for us.
He's looking really good in this league, he's at a great age (25), has matured a lot, we have 25% sell on fee so cheaper for us.
I’d take him right now. He’s been fantastic for Palace, pretty much kept them up.
I can't believe there's this much talent in the world and our scouts or management can't think of anyone besides Willian, Bale and Perisic.
What the feck are the 100s of scouts paid for? May aswell scrap the whole scouting team if we can't find a right winger worth signing.
What the feck are the 100s of scouts paid for? May aswell scrap the whole scouting team if we can't find a right winger worth signing.
Can we get this Leon Bailey lad? Or is it too late?
What are the scouts suppose to do mate? The manager wants those players. I really doubt he listens to them or anyone else.
I'm seeing this 25% sell on clause mentioned a lot but have seen no sources on it. Where has this originated? A Palace mate of mine is convinced that our sell-on clause only recovers the fee we paid Palace for him initially. Really tough to see who has the facts right.
Bakayoko can play on the right. Straight swap for Martial?
Anyone but Mata please.
For all the hate he got in here, I'd kill to have another Nani. Our right flank is just dead.
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feck off. We’ll take Hazard for him thoughNo
Done deal.
https://www.chelseafc.com/en/teams/academy/kylian-hazard
Talking about experienced players. Who do you rate Perisic compared with Willian?
Hey, it's you who buys our duds! (Veron, Falcao, etc). We only take classy Chelsea players. Sure, Mata hasn't been great here, but he was worth it for Juanfield alone
Didn’t we get Zaha for slightly less than £20m? So roughly 25% of £70m anyway.
Wouldn’t want to risk £50m+ on Zaha again anyway.
Same here. I think I got spoiled by the likes of Beckham and Ronaldo when it came to judging Nani.
No other player has come close to his level since he left.
He is like forest gump. Once he takes off on a run he cannot see who to pass it to. Very poor awareness of whats around him.
Please get one of Willian or Zaha. We cannot go into the new season with Mata.
Not seen much of Perisic as Inter is not my team in Serie A, so this will be subjectiv and based on general impression and not any quantified data.
Neither the most consistent of performers.
Willian better individual abilities, and can create on the counter and against a balanced defence. Tendencies to hug the ball to long, and similar to Sanchez in that area. Good workrate. Clearly best on the ball, compared to off.
Perisic more clinical and a better off the ball than Willian. A more "balanced" player. Seems tactically adept.
Malcom made so much sense. Was Utd never in for him?
Almost same as Arsenal as I remember. Winter 2017 was when we supposedly begin talks... to end up with Alexis.
Willian is too short term for my liking, especially given the money he'll cost. Allegedly Chelsea want 70m, for a 30yo winger. We know how quickly those (wingers) can decline as soon as they lose a bit of stamina or pace. Ribery and Robben are the only wingers I know past 33 and they tend to miss half the season each. Pulisic is too long term for my liking, like you said won't suit us (or him) right now.
Hence I'm getting on the Zaha bandwagon.
We paid around £16m and have already had £3m as part of the deal to sell him back to Palace. If he's correct about the details of the clause (no idea if he is) then we'd only recoup the remaining £13m.
Don't think Zaha is an option. Iirc he doesn't think too fondly of his time at United, though it seems like he wants to move to a bigger club. Don't think he's going to Chelsea now that Willian is staying. Bailey and Pulisic remain an option for us, though we're unlikely to get either (or anybody else for that matter).
If we talk about a right footed RW i think Sanchez ticks all the boxes. Do not see a better player, in regards to abilities, available for sensible £££:
- Good 1v1.
- Good crossing.
- Decent pace.
- Good workrate.
Why are people saying Zaha?
He’s played through the middle or left for Palace last year.
His best position is a free role down the middle, which he won’t get with us.
He’s played through the middle or left for Palace last year.
His best position is a free role down the middle, which he won’t get with us.
Why not? Have you seen the state of us?
Yeah because Zaha is the solution to all our problems especially when he doesn’t play on the right wing anymore, so we signing more players who don’t play in the correct position that we need then fans moan that we need a right winger 3 months down the line.
He has the attributes we lack, pace, dribbling, width. He can play wide just fine, he plays literally a free role for Palace as he is by far their best player. Ronaldo used to do it for us, he popped up everywhere with zero defensive responsibilities.
I am not saying he is Ronaldo before anyone starts..
I like Mata but i agree. Sanchez, Martial, Rashford, Lukaku, Herrera, Pereira, Lingard and even Young and Valencia should be on the right wing before Mata.
If we play a midfield three, then we can have only three attackers. Having Willian as one of them is essentially a suicide tactic. We would need Sanchez and Lukaku to score each 40+ goals in order to have a chance of winning trophies, cause Willian isn't getting more than 5.
I think that Willian (even at his best) makes sense if you have a very good attacking team and want to give less defensive responsibilities to your world class attackers so you introduce Willian to do the donkey work (a bit like how SAF used Park and to some degree Valencia). But when you have an awful team going forward and you play with only 3 attackers, having Willian as one of them is a sure path to not scoring many goals.
I think that Willian (even at his best) makes sense if you have a very good attacking team and want to give less defensive responsibilities to your world class attackers so you introduce Willian to do the donkey work (a bit like how SAF used Park and to some degree Valencia). But when you have an awful team going forward and you play with only 3 attackers, having Willian as one of them is a sure path to not scoring many goals.
I honestly wouldn't buy a winger. If Sanchez is a guaranteed starter then I'd play him on the right.
I'd love to see us backing our young players and starting Rashford or Martial on the left week in week out.
If Pulisic did become available though, that would be a different story.
I'd love to see us backing our young players and starting Rashford or Martial on the left week in week out.
If Pulisic did become available though, that would be a different story.
If we can't get a RW before deadline day then Sanchez has to play there, he may as well stand on the right with no service as stand on the left with no service.
We're not going to sign one.
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