We won't do it but I wish we'd sign Bailey. I've only watched him a handful of times but he's looked excellent when I have seen him playing on the right.
Right Winger... Who do we go for?
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If we play 3-5-2 with Sanchez and Lukaku upfront, may be the player Jose is looking for is a wing back. Kind of like Tony Valencia in his prime.
At least we can go into the season with pathetically low expectations.
Such an odd window.
Such an odd window.
I agree. I don’t think the club want to give him any more money to spend. I think there’s something big going on behind the scenes here. Are the club not backing anymore or is he working an angle to get out? Something for which he has got form for. Either way if neither are true then it’s a worse mess than we can imagine.
True, as it stands I dont expect us to win anything so Ive adjusted my expectations accordingly.
We'll probably make top 4, which apparently is good enough for Ed and the Glazers these days.
Wish Martial was up for giving the RW a go, see what happens.
Find it quite insane that right wing is not something that Woodward hasn't sorted out. If him and the board are at all interested in the winning the league, no matter what the cost of whomever Mourinho gave names for, they should have made it happen by this time. As others have said, everyone and their nan knows whomever we line up on the right, they don't really have to worry about that side of our attack much at all - it's a glaring imbalance in our squad. Stack the middle, cover the left and you've stifled us as an attacking threat.
Given the late stage, think Willian is our best hope of a player that come in and hit the ground running. But, I don't have any faith in anything happening.
Given the late stage, think Willian is our best hope of a player that come in and hit the ground running. But, I don't have any faith in anything happening.
Is there any link for Zaha? I saw rumors about him moving to Chelsea, this maybe puts us in the picture?
Stick Sanchez or Rashford or Lingard on the right then. I really don't get, why can't Sanchez play right wing.
One of the reason I was so happy about the Sanchez arrival was because I believed he will be played on the right. Forget the Martial situation, the obvious gap we had on the RW position was there to be seen. How did it pen out, it looks stupid, since I believe Alexis can be as good on the right as he can be on the left for us.
Would solve a lot of issues, wouldn't it? Surely he'd rather player there than sit on the bench.
All 3 have played on the right but, none as a proper wide player. Perhaps Rashford at times can be counted on to actually play as a winger, someone that can perhaps take on his marker and beat them but, even that is a stretch. None of them are really good at getting a ball in from out wide, at least not in the profile of players like Willian. Not sure what it is but, when we play any of our current players, Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Sanchez on the left, they actually stay out wide but, then with all 3 of them they are all reluctant to take their fullback on on the outside. Still they are effective at least when cutting in. From the right side, the only left footed player is Mata and he isn't really a threat cutting in.
On the right we need a right footed player that has pace and ability to take on a man and put good crosses in or barring that a left footed player that at least is a threat cutting inside. Otherwise all we have right now is players that just come clog up the middle.
Not sure, but I'd like it to happen. Apparently we have a 25% sell on clause, so if Chelsea had to pay £70m for Zaha, United could essentially get him for £52.5m (£70m paying 25% back to ourselves).
Zaha plays in the same position as Sanchez though. Which also is the same position as Martial which is part of the latter's problems.
He seems to be maturing really nicely and looks an absolute handful and a menace, I just don't think he's necessary at this point. Sanchez has another 4 years of contract to go too.
One or two bad performances and he would be shifted out for Lingard who may not offer more in attack, but works harder defensively.
I still can't believe footballers can't swap sides. Get Martial out on the right - it's just mental that this hasn't happened. Hope complicated does it have to be?!
Yeah but he's pretty shit isn't he?
To play on the strong foot side he would actually need to play like a winger for it to be of any benefit. Martial is not a winger, so it doesn't work. Sanchez is a former winger so it could work but that was years ago. I feel we should just stick to 3-5-2. Get Alderwield and done.
United fans consider Mourinho's football too negative as is, and United's biggest problem last season was not scoring enough goals; switching from a 4-5-1 to a 3-5-2 would compound the situation even further as in practical terms it means you almost always have one extra man behind the ball when going forwards.
It's pointless for United to play with 3 CBs against most opponents as most opponents park the bus vs them. It's only sometimes useful in expected tight games against other strong teams.
Bernard anyone? He is on a free from Shaktar
Zaha is equally comfortable on the right and at center forward as he is down the left. He isnt similar to Martial nor Rashford in that sense.
The 3rd centre back becomes your second pivot alongside Matic on the attack. You free up Pogba and say Fred to go forward whilst we have Sanchez in a free role occupying a CB leaving Lukaku with more space for his baggy touch. I don't see how it's defensive at all. We just need to employ the right players and with another centre half we have that.
Why not Sanchez who is more experienced as a RW?
Because he is the world class, experienced player. They are not.They should be able to learn and master new roles
you don't take your best player at that position and move him to another position he is weaker at. We are without Matic for a few games, let's move Paul to #6 too. You take the weaker player and hope he steps up, thats martial or rashford. That's why they call them role players.
Or you change the formation to one that does not require a RW. If we are playing a formation of a RW whilst we don't have a RW at all for the whole season - the last thing you want to do is wait for someone with no experience playing there to step up; if they set up - both Rashford & Martial look like Blind rabbits playing at RW.
If we don't have a a RW - we should play without a RW & embrace a formation that gets the best out of the squad.
Talking about Rashford & martial covering for RW through complete negligence of changing formation is wrong. To this day 352 has been the formation that's been strongest for us from the moment Jose joined the squad. We still don't have a RW - in my opinion we utilize a good player there if we have to or we switch formation.
I think It's the manager who needs to get the best out of the squad and its players not stuck in the same old rut and going nowhere and not learning from his past.
For me they have no excuse to not be able to play down the right. You can't mourn of playing time yet a Lingard, who is no right winger and is way less talented than you and can play there
The argument could be swung another way that mourinho can't mourn all the time that he has got bunch of kids who are not good enough to follow his tactics. The middle way is to be found by both the manager and the players.
That's what all the top managers do though? They play youngsters in many positions to develop their all round game and make them develop game intelligence.
Top clubs do not give young players the rights to a position (unless they are freak talents like Messi). Firstly, because it kills their consistency as a team due to the consistency of the player. Secondly, it commonly destroys the attitude of the young player as they feel much bigger than they actually are.
Though when stubbornness comes in the way of results and success and unflexibility is the common pattern displayed through out the coaching process then there is a huge problem. Young players needs attacking freedom as well as confidence and trust to develop their offensive skills. Some players just don't fit the role you are trying to shoehorn them into destroying their confidence as a result and also jeopardising results in the process, sometimes its so much simpler to keep things simple and flexible and get the harmony going until the players confidence is high to try out different roles.
He tried to do that exact thing with Rashford, until it got to the point where he was regularly costing us points due to him not making obvious decisions. This was the same Rashford that the manager backed for 1.5 years and championed him as a player. You can only get away with so much before the manager has to look out for himself; he's not going to sabotage his own job just so Rashford can play as much as possible. Young players have to pay back the trust they are given.
Exactly!
You play your top class players in their best position.
The lesser players are those who have to work around the superstars.
The problem on this forum is that Martial has become the stuff of legend. In the heads of Martial fanboys, he is the reigning Ball on Dor. In reality, he is a bench/squad player for his club and he isn't good enough to feature for his national team.
Doesn't look like we'll strenghten this position. Only Thauvin and Pulisic looks interesting and available, but Thauvin probably isn't that popular because of his Newcastle spell.
Gives us the opportunity to see if one of Martial/Lingard/Rashford can step up and nail down this position.
Gives us the opportunity to see if one of Martial/Lingard/Rashford can step up and nail down this position.
I think is pretty clear from what is visible to us and that these players are dropped because of not being good on their defensive side of the game and defensive pressing and work rate issues in helping their team win back the possession way deep in our own half and not necessarily because they are not good enough in the final third,They are being asked to take the game by scruff of the neck and shine with little support at the young age in a role even the best players struggle with at times. Even Sanchez struggled through out last season for most of the time barring a few games for few minutes here and there, Martials case was cruel to him in a way he was sacrificed.
Lingard has costed us as well with his poor decision making in final third a lot of times but he ain't dropped because of that. So its evident its the defensive side of the game is what he is asking of these players which they are not being able to do.
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That's called Pure pragmatism. Also your top class players then don't belong to our own defensive area playing as extra full backs and defenders, the argument could be made in that sense as well. With young players one also has a chance to build something new which is never seen before with a better vision than just pure pragmatism.
Funny thing.
Zaha, Adnan look like a decent option exactly for that position. While none of our players, even if they are better in principle, can actually play at RW.
Zaha, Adnan look like a decent option exactly for that position. While none of our players, even if they are better in principle, can actually play at RW.
It's been very quiet on the right winger front for a while now, looks like we're gonna go another season without effective width on the right wing. If we don't buy anyone our only two hopes are Lukaku, finding his true calling in life as a left wide forward, or Dalot, living up to his potential and becoming one of the best young talents in the league.
I remember when Ronaldo was a legend to some without doing nothing. We even got told he’s not welcome back here after the fiasco with Rooney in the World Cup. How we ended up being right.
I don't normally care, but something around 65-70 mil would be absurd.
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