Richard Dunne...

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...is like Vidic with pace.

The ludicrous over-hyping of Micah Richards could only happen with this bloke covering his arse; easily the most under-rated central defender in the league.

I honestly believe that he is behind Rio and Carvalho as the third best centre-half in the PL. You can keep your John Terry and your Carragher, Richard Dunne is the man.
 
Hard-working journeyman. Typical Irish player ie he knows his limitations and is realistic enough to play within them. Plays with heart and self-belief. Against a lesser team like Cyprus tonight he looked like a man-mountain.
 
It's becoming incredibly difficult to ignore him.

This displeases me, because I was utterly convinced not long ago that no City player would get near our first XI.
 
Pogue's had a shocker here

I wouldn't want him in my defence. He's from the Carragher school of needing to make a spectacular last ditch challenge because he fecked up in the first place school of defending for me. One game he'll be absolutely magnificent, the next he's entirely likely to do something extremely daft

I don't think Richards is overated either. The man is an Ox. It's gunna take him years to learn the game much like Ferdinand, but he's already a magnificent defender. Too good for City
 
His nowhere near as good as Terry or even Carragher(who is mediocre at best). Dunne is a bog standard defender who does a decent job but gets shown up against top class strikers.

I remember how much of a clown he was under pearce. Simply not good enough. I would even rate Wheater as a better centre back and how you don't rate Toure beyond him is astounding.
 
He looks like he's shit ... and if i wasn't watching him for years I'd say he was ... I hated the sight of him in a green shirt at one stage but now he's arguably our best player... he does have that last gasp tackle vibe about him Brad butb he does attack the ball very well in front of the defence ... the most improved player I've ever seen maybe ... I dismissed him years ago, he's not my kind of defender but after watchin him, I have no choice but take my hat off to him
 
BAMSOLA said:
His nowhere near as good as Terry or even Carragher(who is mediocre at best). Dunne is a bog standard defender who does a decent job but gets shown up against top class strikers.

I remember how much of a clown he was under pearce. Simply not good enough. I would even rate Wheater as a better centre back and how you don't rate Toure beyond him is astounding.
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Thats outrageous
 
A Vidic with pace. :lol:

He's been quality for the last two seasons but Vidic, Terry, Carragher, Skrtel* and Agger* are still better than him.

*I rate them, not many do.
 
Brad said:
Pogue's had a shocker here

I wouldn't want him in my defence. He's from the Carragher school of needing to make a spectacular last ditch challenge because he fecked up in the first place school of defending for me. One game he'll be absolutely magnificent, the next he's entirely likely to do something extremely daft

I don't think Richards is overated either. The man is an Ox. It's gunna take him years to learn the game much like Ferdinand, but he's already a magnificent defender. Too good for City
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Not sure Richards has half the pure football ability and brain that rio has ...

He is an OX which made him stand out as a younglad ... think the truth is somewhere between what you and pogue say about Richards
 
Brad said:
Pogue's had a shocker here

I wouldn't want him in my defence. He's from the Carragher school of needing to make a spectacular last ditch challenge because he fecked up in the first place school of defending for me. One game he'll be absolutely magnificent, the next he's entirely likely to do something extremely daft

I don't think Richards is overated either. The man is an Ox. It's gunna take him years to learn the game much like Ferdinand, but he's already a magnificent defender. Too good for City
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Utter shite. His anticipation and pace, especially when it comes to covering his team-mates feck-ups, is absolutely top notch.

This probably comes from spending so much time playing alongside Micah Richards.
 
If he wasn't Irish he wouldn't be rated so highly in my opinion. He's a good defender and probably is underrated by most people but up their with the likes of Rio, Carvalho, Terry, Gallas (yes he is a good defender, just needs a destroyer type centre back beside him like our Rio does) he is not.
 
BAMSOLA said:
His nowhere near as good as Terry or even Carragher(who is mediocre at best). Dunne is a bog standard defender who does a decent job but gets shown up against top class strikers.

I remember how much of a clown he was under pearce. Simply not good enough. I would even rate Wheater as a better centre back and how you don't rate Toure beyond him is astounding.
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When I see Toure winning as many headers as Dunne does, I might think about it. Toure shades it on the ground but Dunne is streets ahead of him in the air.

Come to think of it, Dunne and Toure would be a fantastic combination.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
If he wasn't Irish he wouldn't be rated so highly in my opinion. He's a good defender and probably is underrated by most people but up their with the likes of Rio, Carvalho, Terry, Gallas (yes he is a good defender, just needs a destroyer type centre back beside him like our Rio does) he is not.
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a. He's not particularly highly rated. Under-rated if anything.
b. Since when are Irish players over-rated? :confused:
 
Ask me to pick between Dunne and Richards, right now, and it would be no contest. Richards will be something big in 5 years or so but Dunne is way ahead of him.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
a. He's not particularly highly rated. Under-rated if anything.
b. Since when are Irish players over-rated? :confused:
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On this forum Irish players can be overrated I feel. Robbie Keane was before he moved to Liverpool and some people reckon Given is the only behind Casillas and Buffon as the best in the world!

I did say I think Dunne is probably under-rated in the general media but a he's not in the top five defenders in the Premier League.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
On this forum Irish players can be overrated I feel. Robbie Keane was before he moved to Liverpool and some people reckon Given is the only behind Casillas and Buffon as the best in the world!

I did say I think Dunne is probably under-rated in the general media but a he's not in the top five defenders in the Premier League.
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keane and given are over rated by the english lads on here ... and rafael benitez too obviously
 
FlawlessThaw said:
On this forum Irish players can be overrated I feel. Robbie Keane was before he moved to Liverpool and some people reckon Given is the only behind Casillas and Buffon as the best in the world!

I did say I think Dunne is probably under-rated in the general media but a he's not in the top five defenders in the Premier League.
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In fairness to Pogue he said top centre-backs, not defenders.

Whilst I agree he is underrated, I think there are better centre-backs around.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
On this forum Irish players can be overrated I feel. Robbie Keane was before he moved to Liverpool and some people reckon Given is the only behind Casillas and Buffon as the best in the world!

I did say I think Dunne is probably under-rated in the general media but a he's not in the top five defenders in the Premier League.
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The Irish punters on here were the most negative about Keane, having seem him flatter to deceive with Ireland for years. His high rating on here was all about his goal-scoring record. Which was very impressive, to be fair.

Given is a top, top keeper. One of the best in the league. I would rate him behind Cech, Van der Saar (when he's not having a flappy day) and Reina as the fourth best keeper in the league. A few inches taller and he really would be world class.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Utter shite. His anticipation and pace, especially when it comes to covering his team-mates feck-ups, is absolutely top notch.

This probably comes from spending so much time playing alongside Micah Richards.
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:lol: Well I didn't expect you to agree Pogue!

I've never been knocked over by his pace, I've always thought when he's playing well, its his reading of the game that's impressive. I disagree with you though, I think he's less reliable over the course of a season than your Vidic's and Ferdinand's

I'd personally rather have Wes Brown at centre half. His partnership with Ferdinand when Vidic was out for a while was exceptional
 
A Vidic with pace. Are you saying he's better than Vidic?

He's a good defender. I'd say in the top 10 in this league.
 
Brad said:
:lol: Well I didn't expect you to agree Pogue!

I've never been knocked over by his pace, I've always thought when he's playing well, its his reading of the game that's impressive. I disagree with you though, I think he's less reliable over the course of a season than your Vidic's and Ferdinand's

I'd personally rather have Wes Brown at centre half. His partnership with Ferdinand when Vidic was out for a while was exceptional
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I used to think he was slow as feck. But he's much quicker than I thought. I think this is mainly because he used to be such a fat bastard and he's finally got in shape.

I understand why you might rate Wes ahead of him, especially if he played in the centre, week in, week out (he can look very flaky, if he hasn't played that position for a while). But hey, he is the most naturally talented defender in the country (according to SAF) so that's no slight on Dunne.
 
Psmith said:
A Vidic with pace. Are you saying he's better than Vidic?

He's a good defender. I'd say in the top 10 in this league.
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I agree he is in the top 10. But not better than Vidic for me, the Serb has made the likes of Drogba look anonymous at times like in the Champions League final where he was our man of the match in my opinion.
 
I can't get that game when he was reamed sideways and backwards by Henry out of my mind when assessing Mr Dunne.
 
Psmith said:
A Vidic with pace. Are you saying he's better than Vidic?

He's a good defender. I'd say in the top 10 in this league.
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He's not quite as strong in the air as Vidic and he's not as good on the ball as Vidic (something people don't give Vidic enough credit for) so no, I don't think he's better. But if we had to swap the two of them, I don't think our goal difference would suffer as badly as many might think.
 
peterstorey said:
I can't get that game when he was reamed sideways and backwards by Henry out of my mind when assessing Mr Dunne.
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I have the same problem when analysing Jamie Carragher after that game in the FA Cup, where Henry took the ball on the half way line, went down the wing, cut inside and scored.

I think that what we can conclude here is that every defender will have been destroyed by Henry at some point throughout their careers, and that using it as some sort of negative point against a player would be very harsh indeed! :D
 
Pogue Mahone said:
When I see Toure winning as many headers as Dunne does, I might think about it. Toure shades it on the ground but Dunne is streets ahead of him in the air.

Come to think of it, Dunne and Toure would be a fantastic combination.
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If defender were only judged on heading abilty then Canavaro wouldn't have been the one of the best defenders in the world at his best. Rio also(not bad in the air but not as good as Dunne). Dunne despite his aerial ability is averagein all other aspects. Not much pace, Regualrly caught out of position again top class oposition, decent tackler but not much else.

Toure is streets ahead of him.
 
BAMSOLA said:
If defender were only judged on heading abilty then Canavaro wouldn't have been the one of the best defenders in the world at his best. Rio also(not bad in the air but not as good as Dunne). Dunne despite his aerial ability is averagein all other aspects. Not much pace, Regualrly caught out of position again top class oposition, decent tackler but not much else.

Toure is streets ahead of him.
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Cannavaro was quality in the air. Great leap and he times his jumps well and normally just ended up in the right place, instinctively.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
...is like Vidic with pace.

The ludicrous over-hyping of Micah Richards could only happen with this bloke covering his arse; easily the most under-rated central defender in the league.

I honestly believe that he is behind Rio and Carvalho as the third best centre-half in the PL. You can keep your John Terry and your Carragher, Richard Dunne is the man.
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he was great tonight again but you just have to admit to say he's like vidic with pace is a fecking joke. :nono: he's a better defender than carragher but he's not in the top 5 in the prem id say. and also pace is what id say he needs a bit more of.
 
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