I know Pep has won it all with Barca, but I can't help but feel that most good managers would have done so with those players he had. I don't want to take anything away from Pep, but I feel he still has a lot to prove for me. So for that alone, I choose Jose.
Replacing Fergie: Guardiola Vs. Mourinho
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Klopp or Solskjaer please.
I fear the pressure which will come with the job will be too much for either of them though.
I fear the pressure which will come with the job will be too much for either of them though.
By giving up as soon as things got tricky..........?
I like it.
Couldn't go for Pep. He took over a team with arguably the best player in the world and the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Cesc etc. What he did was an achievement but he couldn't follow up on that and failed in his final year. Jose has provided success in many different countries and with different challenges. I think Fergie admires him for a reason, and that is because of his passion and confidence.
Proven? Really?
Now don't get me wrong, I like him and think he did amazing things with Barcelona, but one of the concerns people have is that he took an already very good Barcelona side with some fantastic players and took them to the next level. He would have won with that team regardless if you ask me
The credit goes to him for the way he improved them, and for further improving the quality of their football.
But I wouldn't say all this makes him proven, he's undoubtedly done very well in his career so far, but there surely is doubts about him in the sense he took over a Barcelona team packed with such quality players
For what it's worth, I like Guardiola and would love to see him at United, but I think it's irrelevant, I think Mourinho to United is something of a lock - and my personal opinion is that it will be next season, I suspect on nothing more than a hunch that Ferguson will call it a day this season and there will be an almighty battle for managers with City and Chelsea involved trying to woo Guardiola - who will ultimately move to Bayern Munich
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Yep, I went for neither with the hope of either of these as well.
neither. would prefer someone with vision to stay long term and neither Jose or Pep will do that.
This "they won't stay long term" thing totally discounts the fact that most managers are sacked by the club rather than resign.
True.....except Jose Quit Porto, sacked by Chelsea, quit Inter and will most likely quit RM, and Pep has only had one job........which he quit.
I like the way Mourinho has an air almost, and some of the comments others regard as disrespectful, mainly because its a game, I love all the banter etc, only concern would be longevity, as would be with Guardiola
I was originally in the Pep camp, but I'm erring towards the Mourinho camp now. Certainly one or the other but I can't decide.
I'm convinced Mourinho would give instant success, but I don't much like him. Perhaps he would see the continuation of the SAF legacy as his final great challenge in football management? Whereas, I think Pep would likely continue or even improve the youth/academy system & keep the conveyor belt of 'home' grown' talent coming through, but probably would be a longer term project.
My answer is therefore yes, one or the other, or maybe someone else.
I'm convinced Mourinho would give instant success, but I don't much like him. Perhaps he would see the continuation of the SAF legacy as his final great challenge in football management? Whereas, I think Pep would likely continue or even improve the youth/academy system & keep the conveyor belt of 'home' grown' talent coming through, but probably would be a longer term project.
My answer is therefore yes, one or the other, or maybe someone else.
Pep shouldn't be a candidate until he proves himself. A few years ago many touted Rijkaard, which was ridiculous. In a year or two I'm sure people will be doing the same for Vilanova. In fact the only reason Vilanova isn't getting that much credit now is for some reason fans throughout the world over hyped Pep so much, that to credit Vilanova for Barca's form this season would make it seem as if Pep wasn't the amazing coach (they don't actually exist bit for some reason fans think they do), he's made out to be.
Pep. I recognise that it's not the percentage decision, and represents a far bigger risk than Mourinho. But saying all that I don't feel at all conflicted about it, I'd take him over Mourinho in a heartbeat.
Mourinho's a firm second choice, though. Then probably Klopp, because I think he's more than just a 'flavour of the month' as some claim.
Mourinho's a firm second choice, though. Then probably Klopp, because I think he's more than just a 'flavour of the month' as some claim.
It all depends on whose making the major decisions in their household and how much weight is put on quality of life issues.
For Mourinho I think it's not an issue as he probably wouldn't hang around more than 3 yrs but if they thought they might settle there to raise their kids through school then it'd make a difference. Maybe.
I'm a mere mortal and these things play heavily (certainly more than money) in any decision I've ever made to move, especially now we have kids.
For Mourinho I think it's not an issue as he probably wouldn't hang around more than 3 yrs but if they thought they might settle there to raise their kids through school then it'd make a difference. Maybe.
I'm a mere mortal and these things play heavily (certainly more than money) in any decision I've ever made to move, especially now we have kids.
As long as SAF has direct input into choosing his successor, I'm ok with just about any candidate. If left solely to the board, we'd end up with Sven (again) or the likes.
...as long as it's not Rafa or Rodgers.
Now you're just being picky.
No Moyes option?Ribena said:
I'd rather you be manager than those twits, chief.
I disagree with this.
Porto: did an amazing job with little to work with. Most of his players moved on and went on to look pretty ordinary elsewhere.
Chelsea: built a backbone and team spirit which served them well way after he was gone. Managers came and went yet whenever they needed a result you could be damn sure his old guard could draw on his foundations to secure it. I reckon his legacy had more to do with their "flukey" CL win than anything RDM did.
Inter: didn't burn out, he inherited a squad well past it and extracted one last extraordinary season off them. They were always going to have to face a dip after that.
Real: no burn out, just a circus.
What he did at Porto and Chelsea are better indicators of what he could accomplish here with a relatively young squad.
Jamie is the obvious choice here.
Someone who's not as lazy as me should make a list of pros and cons regarding Pepe & Jose.
Mourinho, because he is as close to a guarantee for trophies as you can get in football. I don't mind his controversial side either, as long as we keep winning.
Yeah, agreed.
I went for neither although if I had to choose between the two it would be Pep.
Mourinho for me just isn't what our club is about. Yes he is a winner and some would argue that Fergie has had controversial moments in the past too but his personality just doesn't fit the mould of our club that Sir Matt and Sir Alex have both helped to establish.
There is no doubt that he is one of the great characters in the game and despite his Chelsea connection it seems that a lot of United fans have a soft spot for him but for me I can't picture it.
Guardiola at least seemed to have a philosophy at Barcelona that was more towards what our club is about, particularly with the youth development side of things.
I honestly believe that the 'bigger' the manager the more the fans, media and club will demand instant success and that would not be healthy for the club in the long run.
Mourinho for me just isn't what our club is about. Yes he is a winner and some would argue that Fergie has had controversial moments in the past too but his personality just doesn't fit the mould of our club that Sir Matt and Sir Alex have both helped to establish.
There is no doubt that he is one of the great characters in the game and despite his Chelsea connection it seems that a lot of United fans have a soft spot for him but for me I can't picture it.
Guardiola at least seemed to have a philosophy at Barcelona that was more towards what our club is about, particularly with the youth development side of things.
I honestly believe that the 'bigger' the manager the more the fans, media and club will demand instant success and that would not be healthy for the club in the long run.
This.
Technically, this is incorrect. He saw out his contract and did not extend, not the same as quitting.
If I felt Utd fans would give him a fair chance and not be on his back from day one. I would choose Moyes over both of them.
But he wont and I dont want a manager who does not have the majority of the fans backing.
I hate the thoughts of what Liverpool fans were like with Hodgson or what Chelsea are doing now to Benitez.
I would also hope we consider Moyes. Tough job at Everton, yet he has constantly rebuilt squad after squad when his players are cherry picked by the likes of Arsenal, City, Utd etc. He would be a little risky but he has never given up when a big player has been bought from Everton.
Still walked away when things were looking dicey though.......
Neither.
Giggs as manager. G.Neville as assistant.
Would command so much respect and Neville is a pretty sound tactician.
Giggs as manager. G.Neville as assistant.
Would command so much respect and Neville is a pretty sound tactician.
Ayee, it's embarassing.
I'd hope our fans would be different though, especially if Ferguson publicly endorsed him (which he obviously would do).
I think he'd be an instant success anyway, so any issues fans might have with the initial appointment would lessen with a good start.
I wouldn't mind an older manager, like Del Bosque or Hitzfeld or someone similar in terms of age. The pros and cons of Jose & Pep kinda cancel themselves out; for example, the jibe that Pep quits when the pressure's on is more-or-less equalled by the notion that Jose runs out of steam in three seasons.
Not quitting however and far from dicey as evidenced by the lack of dropoff
5 years managing for a meticulous manager at your boyhood club can wear you out. No one had illusions he was going to be our SAF and Pep will not be managing into his 70s either.
He'll be back at his boyhood club at some point as well - perhaps even as President
I would mind our manager trying to kick the opposite player in the head while he's on the deck.
Think he would have to alter his behavior if he were to be our manager, and I do believe he would do just that. Fergie can be a bit of a bastard but Mourinho has taken it to the next level.
Still, I'd prefer him to Pep. Just.
I picked neither.
With Mourinho his short term win at all costs methods is the biggest turn off for me. You can say "Well how many managers last long term nowadays anyway" but the difference is whether you're Sir Alex or Steve Kean you take a job anticipating you'll be there for awhile and make decisions based not only on the present, but the future as well. With every job Jose's been at he only thinks about the present and even while doing well with his club speaks about where he'll possibly land next. This isn't the talk of someone who'' stick around for awhile. Worst thing we can do, is appoint someone who'll use up what Sir Alex leaves them and take off when we'll really need a very good manager in a transitional period.
Despite his impressive resume, I feel Pep is unproven. If he were to go somewhere else and do well, I'd be more favourable towards Pep then I am right now. I will say I think he has characteristics that could make him a very good manager, but I do think at this stage he is an even bigger gamble than David Moyes would be.
With Mourinho his short term win at all costs methods is the biggest turn off for me. You can say "Well how many managers last long term nowadays anyway" but the difference is whether you're Sir Alex or Steve Kean you take a job anticipating you'll be there for awhile and make decisions based not only on the present, but the future as well. With every job Jose's been at he only thinks about the present and even while doing well with his club speaks about where he'll possibly land next. This isn't the talk of someone who'' stick around for awhile. Worst thing we can do, is appoint someone who'll use up what Sir Alex leaves them and take off when we'll really need a very good manager in a transitional period.
Despite his impressive resume, I feel Pep is unproven. If he were to go somewhere else and do well, I'd be more favourable towards Pep then I am right now. I will say I think he has characteristics that could make him a very good manager, but I do think at this stage he is an even bigger gamble than David Moyes would be.
I just went for Pep, so that we can get some Barca players in.
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