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Replacing de gea should be the priority
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To be honest I was quite impressed with my in-depth analysis but you may have hit the nail on the head with that one sentence. Why's nobody mentioning the absurdity of playing in green on grass?
The fourth goal has nothing to do with 'sweeping skills'. It's a simple long-ball that beats our line because our defenders don't have the speed to play a high-line. It's a strategic error not a goalkeeper error. It seems like Bellamy and Torres used to do this to Ferdinand all the time, it happens. Sometimes you come up against players who are just quicker and you have to adjust your tactics accordingly, which even if we weren't 3-0 down at the time, would have been tough.
Also we lose possession in their box just before this and not one of our players, Sancho or Fred, makes a full-blooded attempt to close the player and win the ball back. That's probably the main problem here, not one of these players would risk a serious injury for this manager and that won't change no matter who bring in, particularly given his post-match comments tonight.
Some of these players have played under four different managers coaching 4 different styles of play in just a few years. It's no wonder they look confused. The leadership at the top of the club is providing us with no consistency at any level and it's showing in the performances. They also seem happy to keep 'Fred The Red' in Centre Mid because it keeps the tourists happy.
The third goal once again is basic. No player except Martinez reacts to the second ball. He makes an adjustment where literally all of his 5 teammates inside the box don't move but unfortunately he's still too weak to do enough to prevent the player from scoring. That's nothing to do with 'commanding his area', that's a collective effort there; players who are coached with what to do from a corner but become clueless because you can coach the first phase fine but coaching two-phases is too many possibilites. It kind of indicates the players are being over-coached and having their instincts taken out of them because the coach expects the players to adapt to his system rather than formulate a system that makes the best use of your available players.
The fact that the commentator during the first game pointed out United looked leggy compared to Bournemouth would also further back this up.
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Try 375k a week
Yeah no way we bench a player earning that
No way he leaves whilst on that money
One things for sure, if we want to play out from the back we need a goalkeeper who's comfortable with the ball at his feet. De Gea certainly isn't that.
DM is the #1 priority.
Goalkeeper is arguably #2 though.
Goalkeeper is arguably #2 though.
When you have a shit team, your goalkeeper is your main hope of getting some results. You can't afford to have a bad one, otherwise you are going to be smashed every other game.
The highest paid gk in the world and he’s arguably the worst in the league. It just about sums the club up at the moment.
We had a perfectly serviceable keeper on the books 3 weeks ago.
Certainly one who a) wouldn’t have let goal #1 in and 2) wouldn’t have played a suicidal pass to eriksen for goal #2.
major major blunder.
Certainly one who a) wouldn’t have let goal #1 in and 2) wouldn’t have played a suicidal pass to eriksen for goal #2.
major major blunder.
Lot of affection for the guy and wouldn't even judge him too harshly on the first goal because mistakes happen but he's clearly woefully unsuited to the type of football we're trying to play.
In our first two games this season we've come up against two goalkeepers (Sanchez and Raya) who would directly improve the team. And, not coincidentally, both those goalkeepers are ahead of De Gea in the pecking order for the national team, for exactly the same reason.
And that's without pretending those two goalkeepers are perfect. Sanchez' handling was poor in the last game for example and it was only luck that it didn't cost him in the way it cost De Gea. But there were so many other elements of the game where he was clearly superior.
In our first two games this season we've come up against two goalkeepers (Sanchez and Raya) who would directly improve the team. And, not coincidentally, both those goalkeepers are ahead of De Gea in the pecking order for the national team, for exactly the same reason.
And that's without pretending those two goalkeepers are perfect. Sanchez' handling was poor in the last game for example and it was only luck that it didn't cost him in the way it cost De Gea. But there were so many other elements of the game where he was clearly superior.
we should be moving for the Brentford Goalie, Good Shot stopper and commands his area very well too.
It's not, it's the DM we need. You need it playing 4-3-3.
Supposedly our best player along with Ronaldo if you listen to the clueless ones among us and the media. He should have been fecked off years ago and dumped quicker than you can say Taibi.
I've not read the responses to this thread, just the title but I bet some will still be saying "we need to change 6-7 other players first before doing anything about De Gea".
Guy's on a downward trajectory in his career and has been for the past 4 season's and yet we still have no plans to get him replaced.
Guy's on a downward trajectory in his career and has been for the past 4 season's and yet we still have no plans to get him replaced.
If the shot stopper thing is based on today, I can’t remember a shot on target…
No one is buying him and he ain't walking away from 375k a week. Best we can do is bench him.
Today is a good reflection why DDG is not in the Spain national team while Raya is. One is not brave enough to come out to claim for the ball from crossing / long ball and not comfortable with his feet while the other one is the opposite. Being shot stopper is not enough to play with ten Hag system.
The fourth goal has everything to do with sweeping, de gea never takes a proactive position to even make a sweeping action. The first ball he could do nothing about, the second ball that was collected just about on the dee he could, if he was in posistion too or wanted too. Quite happy in the realitive safety of his box why bother risking physical contact or possibly being embarrassed by being pro active and stopping the possibility of a player getting a very good chance on goal. We need a GK that actually attempts to snuff chances like that out to allow us to take risks with a high press high line. Not one that stays deep and allows teams to attack the space with freedom.
Third goal i probably am being harsh, but a commanding GK dosent allow his defenders to be that poor at dealing with the second phase, your right you cant coach it it where you need a commanding GK to take charge, the fact is De gea isn't commanding and dosent take charge he just shouts 'Away!' And never ever bravely collects a ball that could take the pressure of his defenders.
The defenders turn into headless chickens because they know they are expected to cover everything,no chance de gea deals with it.
Yeah, today he was our biggest problem. The players I mentioned are bad every game.
They also need to have decent players among the other 10. We don't.
It's his fault because he let a shit shot in because he tried to dive / collect the ball with his hand under his body. When be should be getting his body behind it.
2nd goal is also his fault, al he had to do.on the first pass from Martinez was turn out towards Maguire and the danger is gone. But nope, shit first touch, dithers on it and screws Eriksen with the pass.
He needs to go.
How do you get your body to the ground before your hands from that position with the ball traveling at that speed?
De Gea has been a huge problem for four years now. On top of being terrible at claiming anything in the air, his distribution, coming out to deal with balls outside his box and communication with his defenders, his shot-stopping hasn't been good for the last four years except for a brief period for the first half of last season. Plus he makes far more mistakes than people seem to realise and has been throughout all this time.
Of the six goals we've conceded in these last two games, De Gea has been hugely at fault for two of them, a smaller mistake for one, and in two of the others he's given himself no chance whatsoever with his inaction (although admittedly both would likely have been scored anyway).
It's very easy and goalkeepers do it every game. You dive and get your body or your hands behind the ball, you don't try and dive down toward the ball like that with your hands under your body trying to scoop it up.
It's an easy save and he has fcuked it up by doing something stupid. It happens, but it's his fault that ball went in the net.
He's bobbins and has been for years at this point. Was disappointed when he got his last contract, said it was a mistake at the time. People can go on about him being our player of the season, but that says more about the shambles the rest of the team is. He's a liability, so far away from a modern keeper, and his best attribute of being a shot stopper isn't even all that anymore.
If we're trying to play out from the back Henderson would of been a better number 1, the problem is we can't have De Gea sat on the bench on £375k a week
Comically bad goalkeeper, don’t see why people are surprised at this stage. Keep changing defenders and midfielders, until you change De Gea nothing will improve. It’s odd how much of an improvement defensively there was whenever Romero or Henderson played isn’t it? Similar to Spain suddenly remembering they were a world class football team after dropping him. It doesn’t even need to be an especially good goalkeeper at this stage, someone relatively average across the board would be a sizeable upgrade and that’s not an exaggeration.
Man look at the video, really look at it. How do you get your body down onto the ground behind the ball before or as your hands make contact there? Once he positions his feet to make the save it's literally impossible. Unless you're saying his footwork was off and he should have just collapsed to his left side?
Pause the video as the shot is coming towards him, it's not just a save he has to make, he has to catch and hold onto the ball and he knows it, he has 2 Brentford attackers running at him and nobody in a position to help. He has to catch and hold onto the ball or it's a goal. You can't put someone under that pressure constantly and not expect things like this.
It is basic goalkeeping, like it’s simple for a goalkeeper of any level to deal with. There is no defending it. I watch a Conference North side when United aren’t playing and their goalkeeper is holding that. He’s gone down in a delayed incredibly unnatural manner, if he goes down properly his body is around the ball and it’s a very very very easy save and hold.
Looked more of a massive error on his behalf, as was his kick to Eriksen. Terrible performance from Dave, indefensible really, going to be a very difficult season with no midfield & Dave in goal. Ten Hag needs to make a lot of big decisions very soon.
That's just not true, if anything the decision to go down was the incorrect one. Look how close his feet are to the path the ball takes into the net as it's struck. His body has to do an upside down U to get down in time. How you're saying he should have saved it doesn't seem optimal to me here.
But take another look at the video, pause it as the ball is struck, look at his feet and how close they are to the path the ball takes.
Shaw, Maguire, Fred, Rashford, Martial, Ronaldo, McT also need replacing.
I was saying that but not anymore
You have absolutely nailed it
Dude, you are seeing your own things. Even De Gea himself knows he was fully to blame for the first goal and could have easily saved it....but nooooo...here you are saying, loook at the video, blah blah blah....long story short, he messed up. When You keep excusing a player who has been bad for 4 seasons now, you are going to keep getting such performances.
I see everyone talk of the first 2 goals but the 4th goal shows the real core issues with de gea. He is stuck on his line as luke shaw is outpaced by their winger....De gea refuses to be brave and come out. Raya faced the exact same challenge with rashford in the second half and he kept being brave. We need to replace de gea
at people still saying replacing him isn't a priority, what have you even been watching the last 4 years?Finally people see this.
He makes our defense worse than they are individually.
He makes our defense worse than they are individually.
He’s going thorough a rough patch but he’s still really good on his day.
He’s probably not the best fit for ETH’s system long term but there are so many more urgent positions of need than him, in no particular order, DM, CM, Striker, right wing, right back.
He’s probably not the best fit for ETH’s system long term but there are so many more urgent positions of need than him, in no particular order, DM, CM, Striker, right wing, right back.
We won't get anywhere if we restrict our priority to midfield so yes a new GK is highly important.
This team with an attacking RB, new look midfield and passing GK will be a world of a difference. Of course attack needs major improvement too.
This team with an attacking RB, new look midfield and passing GK will be a world of a difference. Of course attack needs major improvement too.