Actually I agree a bit. Casilas IS a tad bit overrated. He pulls of some remarkable saves but he has a tendency to make costly mistakes too and struggles a bit with crosses. Would not be too great to have in the PL.
Rene Adler
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He also can't form a wall properly.
Adler would be our logical choice as successor of Van der Sar.
1.) We've been tracking him for ages. He should've signed signed for us when he was 16, but thought it was best to stay in Germany and develop in his home country.
2.) SAF obviously rates him highly and we're in proper need for a goalkeeper.
3.) Adler has performed exceptionally well over the last couple of years, though I admit Neuer has been better for the last and large parts of this season. Nothing to be ashamed about though as Neuer is probably one of the best keepers in Europe now and Adler has been injured for quite a while and struggled to regain his fitness.
4.) Adler has experience both on national and international level. He can handle pressure and is still young enough to give us a service of 5-10 years if everything goes well.
5.) He actually is a Manchester United supporter. Can't be arsed to look for various interviews now, but he stated numerous times that he's following United since his teens and dreams of playing for the club.
6.) His contract is running until 2012. Neuer seems Bayern Munich-bound while no other big club is really in need for a goalkeeper. Barcelona have Valdez, Real have Casillas, Chelsea Petr Cech and I doubt Arsene would spent a fortune in the market right now even though he hasn't in the last couple of years.
Wouldn't be surprised if there was any substance in this, though I'd happily give Lindegaard a chance as well.
1.) We've been tracking him for ages. He should've signed signed for us when he was 16, but thought it was best to stay in Germany and develop in his home country.
2.) SAF obviously rates him highly and we're in proper need for a goalkeeper.
3.) Adler has performed exceptionally well over the last couple of years, though I admit Neuer has been better for the last and large parts of this season. Nothing to be ashamed about though as Neuer is probably one of the best keepers in Europe now and Adler has been injured for quite a while and struggled to regain his fitness.
4.) Adler has experience both on national and international level. He can handle pressure and is still young enough to give us a service of 5-10 years if everything goes well.
5.) He actually is a Manchester United supporter. Can't be arsed to look for various interviews now, but he stated numerous times that he's following United since his teens and dreams of playing for the club.
6.) His contract is running until 2012. Neuer seems Bayern Munich-bound while no other big club is really in need for a goalkeeper. Barcelona have Valdez, Real have Casillas, Chelsea Petr Cech and I doubt Arsene would spent a fortune in the market right now even though he hasn't in the last couple of years.
Wouldn't be surprised if there was any substance in this, though I'd happily give Lindegaard a chance as well.
Interesting point you put up there. Because I have a feeling that regardless who we sign, Lindegaard might pip them for the spot, weather its either of these six linked goalkeepers. PIG has said make me the next #1 or sell me, personally that is a no brainer. I feel very confident that Lindegaard is a better goalkeeper than PIG. Ferguson just more or less confirmed that this was van der Sars last season, so we have to sign a goalkeeper this summer, as we do not want to put our money at Lindegaard and Amos.
Akinfeev: The problem with this man, is that he is the property of CSKA Moscow whom in turn is the property of Roman Abramovic. If he wants to, that man will be a very expensive man for Manchester United to aquire. And like Lindegaard, he is not playing in a big league, Russia's league is is far better than Norway's yes, but it can't be compared with England. I think he would be better of moving to Spain or Italy.
De Gea: Been great in Spain, to some degree. Impressive to do so well. Then again, Atletico Madrid is a very unstabile team, he might be a part of that variations in sucsess. If sucsessful, he might be our next goalkeeper for the next 20 years. But Spain and England are two different leagues. Its harder to be a goalkeeper in England. How good is he in the box? He will be tested hard at that in England? He is tall, but seems a bit frail like Crouch.. I think he will need to bulk up if we sign him. And he will cost a fortune! That man will not be cheap. We are talking at least £15m, probably upwards of that... Is he value for money?
Lloris: There are two reasons I don't think he will happen.
a) He has been very variable, brilliant in the Champions League, bad in the world cup. Nothing wrong with that, logical as he is only 23, stability might come with age. But a risky signing as I see it.
b) he is at Lyon, young and probably happy to stay, for years more. So he will get fiercely expensive.
Adler: Most arguments to sign him is already lined up in this thread. Affordable, wants to join us, Leverkusen is ready to sell, Manchester United fan, no question that he is ready to step up another level. Seems like a logical move.
Neuer: Will probably leave Schalke eventually. But Gelsenkirchen is a very populated part of Germany - there are few other teams there and they have a massive supporter base. Their goal is to become the top team in Germany, therefor I bet they will try to sell abroad rather than to Bayern Munchen. Not a unlikeley signing.
Buffon: We are talking about a short term signing, 5-7 years. He has had some injury problems the last years on top of that, which might be a reason that Juventus is ready to sell him really. But when fit he is the best in the world - period. If we sign him we need a potential brilliant #2 like Lindegaard. But it will be a lot of money for someone that might give us very little. He is a bit of a gamble.
My problem with the "italic" goalkeepers, is that I am not sure they are better than Lindegaard. I think Lindegaard can give all these goalkeepers a fight for their money, and I think it might be unhealthy for a club to get in a situation where two goalies fight for the spot. Akinfeev has only proven himself in Russia. De Gea is a good enough shot stopper. But there is far more to be a brilliant goalkeeper than that... there is no data to confirm or deny that he handles crosses brilliantly something I know that Lindegaard masters... The "poor teams" in England actually play rather scandinavian. Big players, physical game. That is something Lindegaard is used to, and that is a advantage over those two. Lloris has been variable. I've seen him brilliant and bad. If he gets a bad form early Lindegaard will give him a fight for his spot. If you are a £25m goalkeeper and are benched by a £5m goalkeeper that will be a blow to your confidence. That is a problem De Gea will face too, because he will not be cheap.
I feel confident that the three bold goalkeepers are better than Lindegaard. I also feel confident that all of them are solid in the box, and that they won't flop. That will spare us of getting a situation where we have two goalkeepers actually fighting for the 1st spot. I want continuity in the goalkeeper spot. I am not saying that Lindegaard can't overtake them due time - a couple of years with Premier League experience will make him better. Because he is a brilliant talent, he might be able to do that. I can't tell. Only time can. If we sign Neuer or Adler I doubt it will happen, because I think both will evolve further and they got a bit of a head start with almost 150 Bundesliga matches experience and 10-20 International matches between them.
I don't know how good Lindegaard is, nobody does. There is no data against top opposition over a period of time. But the lad is a extraordinary talent and far better than the average goalkeeper in Norway. He is simply too good for the Norwegian league.
Agreed -most title winning football teams are built on a strong keeper who can save you points. One of the reasons the gooners have won nowt over the last few years.
Markus Neumayr was the first German unless there was one years before. I don't think he ever made a first team appearance.
Ron Robert Zieler also were at United for a couple of years, without getting a debut with the a-team. Seems to be the second goalkeeper at Bundesliga side Hannover now, regular at Hanover II. I know that we had them in our academy but not at the first team yet to my knowledge.
Erm, we're not buying a goalkeeper for £20m anytime soon. Besides we've already bought a goalkeeper this month.
i dont think he would cost 20m TBH, more 15ish IMO. Bundesliga players are cheaper than other leagues usually.
Yes, and we pretty much established that we are going to lose both PIG and van der Sar next season as well.
PIG says he is the next number one or he is off. I think it is pretty clear that he is not good enough to replace van der Sar. Lindegaard is signed as a talented goalkeeper, whom might become great. Manchester United want to compete for the Champions League you need to have a world class goalkeeper. I bet Ferguson wants that more than anything. Liverpool are two European cups ahead of us, and about to be behind in a league context before he retires... He is so close to surpass Liverpool on his own, something that is beyond remarkable.
If PIG leaves and van der Sar retires, Ferguson will sign someone. I don't think Adler will go as high as £20m if we sign him, that is the clause. The linked article said that he and Leverkusen has agreed to let him go as they had a talented new kid and they needed the money. His contract ends in the end of next season... Meaning he will be free to leave for nothing at the end of next season. Ferguson would never exploit that, or at least he has never done that yet. It would be great if he could sign Adler this summer, I bet it could be closer to half of that.
I am sure Ferguson has learned from Schmeichels departure ten years ago. Best bet is to sign one of the best around. I doubt he will go with Lindegaard and Amos next season. If that happens, Lindegaard will really have to convince Sir Alex (and probably everyone else) the chances he gets the next half of this season.
Lindegaard should be given a chance to impress next season, meanwhile we can use Amos as a back up. If it fails, then we will probably look at the other options, more expensive ones but currently there are other priorities as there is no reason to bench Lindegaard straightaway.
I disagree. Manchester United does not need a good goalkeeper, we need a world class goalkeeper. Lindegaard has the potential to become brilliant. First of all we need a great reserve, if the goalkeeper gets a couple of month long injury we can't loose the title chance on that alone, that is likely to be the case if Amos is our next best goalkeeper. Look at what the Cech injuries might have done to him.
Lindegaard is a very talented goalkeeper indeed. But he only has two seasons behind him in the Norwegian Premier Division. That is all the is all the experience he has with him. Look at PIG and Foster, Its about 70 matches a year, it is still time for Lindegaard to impress if we sign a new goalkeeper. Most goalkeepers are best on the other side of thirty, that is because experience is so important for that position. Even though he is very talented, he needs years to develop into the man he can become. We really should sign someone next to him. I have faith in Lindegaard, he can become a brilliant signing but we still should sign someone next to him.
To go for only Lindegaard and Amos is a huge gamble, we loose two, we should sign two. If Lindegaard turns out to be the next Schmeichel he will pip the other one for the spot anyway. Another thing that does such a gamble unbearable, is that we have a lot of young defenders that need developing, Evans, Smalling, Fabio, Rafael etcetera. We need a top goalkeeper behind those or we can't risk it as much... Not signing a goalkeeper next to Lindegaard might compromise the development for several defenders. PIG is a rather high level despite not being good enough to be van der Sar's successor. If he played in Norway he probably would be the biggest competitor to Lindegaard for being the best in the country, and he has a lot of international matches for a country with a lot of decent goalkeepers. Szczesny, Fabianski, Boruc, among others alongside himself. He is good enough for most clubs in the world, but not us. If we were to drop down from van der Sar and PIG to Lindegaard and Amos that would weaken our squad significantly.
I bet PIG can finance £4m-£5m of the transfer as well. He is good enough for many clubs.
You, my sir, are a truly committed poster.
How many times have you seen Lindegaard play? I haven't seen him once, that's why I'll reserve my judgment for future and not write him off before he's even played for us. If we sign an expensive goalkeeper like Adler then it's Lindegaard United career pretty much over, there won't be much competition for the spot.
Perhaps you've not been following Kuszczak's international career and I don't blame you, but he's only played a few games for us, mainly friendlies. He's always been behind either Boruc or Fabianski.
I for one don't think a good goalkeeper has to cost £15m and be very well known to everyone around the globe. If Lindegaard fails, there will be reason to look for another goalie, not now. Besides, we cannot afford Adler or Neuer at the prices mentioned, so there we go.
He don't like grabbing the ball much?????
Torwart René Adler: Super-Vertrag in Leverkusen oder ab nach Manchester - Sport - Bayer Leverkusen - Fußball Bundesliga - Bild.de
- Bayer Leverkusen knows that a United scout was a few times already in Leverkusen.
- Bayer Leverkusen wants to fight for him.
- But he`s a buy-out clause for Manchester United (Only Manchester United), the Bayer Leverkusen president (Holzhauser) has said "Rene has always said that he wants to leave us only for Manchester United and this is also agreed in his contract".
So if we want him then we`ll get him 100%.
- Bayer Leverkusen knows that a United scout was a few times already in Leverkusen.
- Bayer Leverkusen wants to fight for him.
- But he`s a buy-out clause for Manchester United (Only Manchester United), the Bayer Leverkusen president (Holzhauser) has said "Rene has always said that he wants to leave us only for Manchester United and this is also agreed in his contract".
So if we want him then we`ll get him 100%.
Can anyone who watches the German League tell me who is better - Adler or Neuer? Thanks.
Makes a nice change from the usual " It'll be a dream to play for Madrid or Barca yada yada yada ".
Jaap will give us the lowdown on this. Jaap, all yours amigo. Give us the dirt.
What is the buyout clause?
apparently £20M if its United.
Thanks, JayWalker.
Well, like I said earlier:
The potential is ''up there'' with Neuer's, no doubt - I tell you, you do make no mistake by signing a German goalkeeper. Mind, Lehmann had a good time at Arsenal and was a very good stopper for them.
Managing director Wolfgang Holzhauser confirmed the curious clause, saing: "It is an escape clause with a difference, because it only refers to one club. If United offer a certain amount, we have to let Rene go. He has always supported them, and he wanted to make sure the door was open, should they come calling. I know they have watched him quite a few times, so it may be difficult for us."
Tbh, I haven't seen much of Adler. I do love it when players really want to come here though.
I saw Neuer in the WC and was very impressed, came across as big and powerful in fact similar to Schmeichel.
The only bits i have seen of Adler is on Youtube, he seems to be a good stopper but if i had to choose between the two i would go for Neuer.
The only bits i have seen of Adler is on Youtube, he seems to be a good stopper but if i had to choose between the two i would go for Neuer.
Leverkusen are now desperate for Adler to sign a contract extension. They are offering their goalkeeper 2.5m Euros/year, but the only thing Adler has said about a possible switch was that neither his agent nor him have had any contact with United.
Adler, born in Leipzig, has always been a fan of Manchester United and United's goalkeeping legend Peter Schmeichel. ''When we first extended his contract, we added a clause that United is Renés dream club. He always said to us: Should I leave Bayer, then only for Manchester United''.
The Daily Fail is claiming we are in for Reina. That will happen.
Thanks Jaap,
So I take it as Adler certainly has more potential but Neuer has been performing consistently. That's good news all around. I'd take either of the two, as you said you can't go with a German in goal.
Well, it's always pretty hard to tell whether a player has more potential than the other. Adler has shown that he can reach a top, top level - Neuer has shown it (more) recently as well.Thanks Jaap,
So I take it as Adler certainly has more potential but Neuer has been performing consistently. That's good news all around. I'd take either of the two, as you said you can't go with a German in goal.
Like I said earlier, I'll sit down and watch Adler closely once the Bundesliga returns (January 14th) and whether he can do a good job between our posts.
They're both excellent. Adler was the first choice before WC but he was injured. As far as Neuer, while he was the second choice at the time he proved himself big time. And with Schalke he is indispensable.
Basically, if a German goalie is considered very good, then he is one of the best in the world. So whoever we get out of the two it will be worth it
the scousers (esp rawk) love reina. Just for this, I want us to sign reina. Imagine the chaos.
who is better with the ball at their feet? adler or neuer? VDS has superb silks for a GK and our next permanent keeper needs to be at the same level of comfort with the ball at their feet.
This I totally agree with.
One of the best GKs in the EPL was playing against you yesterday. He's been hampered by injuries since he moved to Sunderland but that was due to him being rushed back too soon (by Keane), and that wee c@nt Defoe stamping and breaking his arm.
You'd get him for $10-12m - a bargain for a keeper with that sort of experience at both EPL and international level.
He's probably made the least mistakes of any keeper, and I dare you to name a better stopper. His decision-making on crosses is improving quickly. He's no busy-body like Reina & Hart with their quick distribution and he doesn't have the silky footwork of van der Sar but then who does.
He's your man, I tell ya.
You'd get him for $10-12m - a bargain for a keeper with that sort of experience at both EPL and international level.
He's probably made the least mistakes of any keeper, and I dare you to name a better stopper. His decision-making on crosses is improving quickly. He's no busy-body like Reina & Hart with their quick distribution and he doesn't have the silky footwork of van der Sar but then who does.
He's your man, I tell ya.
Not sure, but Neuer has a tremendous kick, as Terry and Upson will tell you.
It certainly helps but is not crucial ... the defence just has to develop an understanding with the keeper on how, when (and if indeed) he wants it passed back to him.
I doubt that vdS (or Reina or Hart) has been responsible for more than a half dozen assists between them in their careers.
I doubt that vdS (or Reina or Hart) has been responsible for more than a half dozen assists between them in their careers.
it isn't about the assists or anything like that.
it is about total confidence on the ball to get out sticky situations. having a keeper with great technique allows the defense to think about one less thing. It'll be all the more apparent once VdS leaves how much we take such technique for granted.
Same for me but that is without seeing much of Adler play. But Neuer looks so huge in goal that it reminded me of a certain Peter Schmeichel when he would extend his arms out in goal.
Both have the height too. No keepers under 6'3 permitted at OT!