Religion, what's the point?
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It would be easier if, rather than asking inane misguided questions about evolution, you make your futile point about what orgasms have to do with religion.
Yes, seriously. It's not a like for like comparison, but it illustrates the point perfectly well that evolution isn't a guided process. There are explanations for everything, but many of them would seem quite obscure for laymen like most of us.
Do you seriously not believe in evolution, then?
Appendix is an isolated object. Pleasure however is far more integrated in all functions for/of survival. Whether it's eating, breathing or reproduction it's there.
Guided process: it's a funny concept this one because we have a concept in science which I think it's called... controlled environment so I'm not sure if there are the same or completely different.
Evolution: for me I have no problem with the staging process over time if that what it fundamentally means. I guess my issue lies with the theory rather than evolution itself, if that makes sense.
Pleasure and pain are just carrot and stick mechanisms that help organisms towards behavior that's likely to lead to their survival. Now if your complaint is that they are crude mechanisms, imperfect mechanisms, then you're right. But that's exactly what you would expect if you understand the process involved.
Appendix is just an example to demonstrate that it's foolish to expect perfection from any evolved creature, even one as complex as ourselves.
It's not my problem that your brain seems to be just as useful as the appendix.
So, your issue is that you don't understand evolution?
And yet very kind of you to respond. Thanks.
It doesn't.
No need to be a dick about it, Moonwalker. If anyone is going to be one it's me. Or cider.
Usually cider.
Usually cider.
It suffices to say that science allows us today to explain how life appeared on Earth from the first moments of its creation up to now. We know that amino-acids are the basic building blocks of life and we know in what conditions these amino-acids appeared. We know also how species evolved and how humans thus appeared. We don't need to include God anywhere in this process, there are no "gaps" left to fill. God did not intervene in any way in the creation of humans. That's not what Abrahamic religions preach.
Also, the verse concerning the creation of humans from clay is a bit more explicit than what was implied here :
That last part clearly gives an idea about what Allah meant. You will find this concept of humans moulded into shape from clay in many of the previous religions too.
Also, the verse concerning the creation of humans from clay is a bit more explicit than what was implied here :
That last part clearly gives an idea about what Allah meant. You will find this concept of humans moulded into shape from clay in many of the previous religions too.
What a strange thing to get territorial about.
It's the atheist version of pissing on trees.
Pretty much. Nimic just pissed on a tree to mark his beta dick area.
Nah, it was just an attempt at half-jokingly telling you to stop being a dick.
Now stop being a dick.
Oh feck off. Half-jokingly, of course.
Stop pissing on my tree you bells!
You realize that whatever you say I have already won, on account of you mistaking your and you're in the middle of insulting someone's intelligence? Unless he was misquoting you, of course.
Harris is always calm, clear and polite. How he reminds you of a religious nut is beyond me.
The human eye, an oft-touted proof that God created humans. Have at it, folks.
No he wasn't misquoting me. I did misspell your. For shame. Thankfully he was too busy turning the other cheek to notice.
Not sure what that's got to do with you though, or how it makes you a winner in this imaginary contest of yours.
Either way, I don't think I was being a dick at all. If anything, much too forbearing, in the face of rather annoying obtuseness.
I know, it's definitely me, but he puts the fear of god in me.
Passive aggression in his demeanor.
Eh, it's alright, but tell this perfect design hypothesis to babies who are born blind or people who turn blind with age.
Reminds me of this:
The Babel Fish Argument for the Non-Existence of God
by Douglas Adams
The Babel fish is small, yellow and leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy received not from its own carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with the nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.
Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen it to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets killed on the next zebra crossing.
Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best-selling book Well That About Wraps It Up For God.
Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.
It's not that great. The retina is backwards with the light sensitive cells facing the wrong way and the nerve cells running along the back of it. It works, pretty well actually, but if it were designed it could be a lot better. Now squid, they have some good peepers on them.
Evolution and Theory of Evolution are different things. I'm OK with the former but not so much with the latter.
What?
Why didn't you say so straight away. I think so too. The theory of evolution is arrant nonsense. Evolution though, what's not to like.
What does that even mean? It's complete nonsense.
Sorry. I was fasting and juggling between applying for jobs and the cafe. My mental energy was running on fumes at that time.
Not sure if you are invited to play, sorry. Oh, and you missed an a.
You see what happens abbsta? Here we are, trying to have a civil discussion, and some dickweed just waltzes in calling your post nonsense.
I won't stand for this churlishness.
I won't stand for this churlishness.
That will learn him.
What are you talking about? On both accounts. You could at least attempt to explain your views. If you're actually interested in debate in the first place, which seems to be up in the air at this point.
What debate? You just stated that my post was a (<- I told you that) complete nonsense and that was that. I'm off to chat about football and things. Laters.