I was just asking since you were quite vague, and having googled this I've still found no reference of what you were talking about. You sure you're not talking bollocks?
Religion, what's the point?
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I was just asking since you were quite vague, and having googled this I've still found no reference of what you were talking about. You sure you're not talking bollocks?
It's called just "Fitrah" by many people, it's a word used in common language.. Anyway...
Can you tell me why the Quran says he was a Muslim? Do you now understand what religion means? What Islam means? It's not about names, it's not about empires, it's about people's intentions and deeds..
No, we've established that science doesn't disprove the existence of God.
I like the way you're trying to repeat "evidence that proved this!" like a 100 times, because you think if you repeat it a 100 times, you can create one. What you call evidence that "proves" it's wrong is mentioned in the Quran itself! I can't believe you still think you have made some amazing discovery..
The crucial things are usually clear. The not so important things are up for interpretations/discussions.. That's why you see difference sects in Islam, differ about many things, but they're all called Muslims. Get it now?
Na, I'll pray for them just the same, no need for them to go away, they're all part of gods creation.
He's already pointed out that he was referring to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitra
Why are you completely ignoring that?
Why are you completely ignoring that?
But you still think they choose to be gay and that it's wrong? Right?
Sorry man. Why do you need to google? just think.
When is it decided that you are alive? the womb right? after that you are born into this world. Both are 2 different 'worlds/realms'.
which is why i pray for myself aswell. just because i believe, doesn't mean i like everything in this world.
"We can rule the universe! It's just that those religious people are holding us!"I have a question: Why did the (type 1?
) US help grow those terrorists in the first place??That's such a pointless set of 'phases'. Within the womb you're completely different at various stages. And through your life you're also completely different. There's far more comprehensive scales for this things. "In this womb" and "out of the womb" seems to serve no purpose.
I have a question: Why did the (type 1?
I didn't realize america was anti-theist. Maybe I imagined George Bush talking about god all the time.
OK man. You are over thinking things and keep missing the main point.
Which is?
Never heard of it used that way. I'll let this one slip.
What does this have to do with our discussions about monotheism and polytheism ? Baffling...
And do you have any proof that Abraham really existed ? As far as I know, his historicity is extremely contested and the consensus among archeologists and historians is that he is only a myth.
We have established that science doesn't disprove the notion of a God. As for your Abrahamic personal God ? Pure bullshit.
You don't want to understand do you ? Let me make it clear.I like the way you're trying to repeat "evidence that proved this!" like a 100 times, because you think if you repeat it a 100 times, you can create one. What you call evidence that "proves" it's wrong is mentioned in the Quran itself! I can't believe you still think you have made some amazing discovery..
1) Quran says that everyone is born with a tendency to believe in one God
2) Monotheism appeared well after polytheism. Millions and millions of years of people supposedly born to believe in one God did not yield one significant monotheistic religion until Abrahamic religions.
If you don't see a contradiction there, I can't help you. Yes Quran contradicts itself, numerous times. This is just one amongst many other such cases.
No sir. In this particular case, it cannot be any more clearer. You still haven't showed me sources that say that it is a matter of debate. Quran mentions it, Hadith mentions it. I am not going to let you twist this again so as to avoid the clear contradiction with reality.
Are you serious?
Are you saying that the original tendency always decide the outcome? What about the factors that influence the outcome after everybody is born, more importantly desires (or the evil part in life)?
Are you serious?
Are you saying that the original tendency always decide the outcome? What about the factors that influence the outcome after everybody is born, more importantly desires (or the evil part in life)?
Not always but in most cases it should right ? How come we don't then get people believing in the one God before Abrahamic religions and Zoroastrianism appear ? All of them were influenced everywhere in this world ?
And for you desires are evil ?
Are you serious?
Are you saying that the original tendency always decide the outcome? What about the factors that influence the outcome after everybody is born, more importantly desires (or the evil part in life)?
So god places a tendency within absolutely everybody to believe in him, but bizarrely absolutely everybody in pre-monotheistic civilisation just ignored that god-given predisposition because of, erm, desires and the evil part of life and shit?
It doesn't make the least bit of sense, but nevermind because this isn't a crucial bit of Islamic doctrine. Convenient I guess for the errors and contradictions to be mere insignificances to whoever chooses them as being when the issue's raised. Why does god himself talk about things that aren't crucial in his holy text to humanity though? If god truly exists then surely every single word of a holy text written for us to guide us on the correct path to heaven will be absolutely overloaded with incredible depth and meaning? Are we to believe that god was just talking bollocks for large swathes of the Quran?
That only depends on the other factors in the equation.. If the other factors are strong(er) then, wrong.
I was talking about desires that are evil, or encouraged by the evil.
This is wrong. There are many people who were monotheistic or believed in the real God, before the Abrahamic religions came along.. It's called Abrahamic religions because Abraham was famous, but that doesn't mean that Abraham was the first prophet to call for "that" God. The first prophet on Earth according to the Quran was the first person on Earth, Adam.
I'd hate to point this out, but Adam wasn't a real person.
Nonsense. Thousands and thousands of years of people born with a natural tendency to believe in one God and not one monotheistic religion gets developed ? Bullshit.
And what are the evil desires that make you become polytheist ?
What do you mean by "religion gets developed?"
We know that's bollocks though because of evolution.
Another case of god talking bollocks. Why does god talk so much codshit in his religious texts? If he could have made one fecking thing clear, make it the Bible ffs! He's a moron.
Evolution says that there was no first human on Earth?
I do say so, Adam wasn't a real person. There was no "first human"
Anyway, why are there no female prophets? Is Allah sexist?
Yeah, it does. There wasn't a point where we stopped being monkeys and spontaneously became humans.
The transition can't be 100% gradual, because it consists of mutations. Every mutation is a step.. They can't decide if there was a specific step where we became humans, but that doesn't prove that there is no step at which that happened..
Appears to whom? And wide-spread to what scale??
I'll answer your second question later, can't debate about multiple things at the same time.
Yes.
The theory of evolution states that species change over time via mutation and sexual reproduction. No one mutation in one individual can be considered as constituting a new species.
Therefore there cannot possibly have been an Adam.
There was no step at which that happened. It's taken millions of years of small mutations to become what we are now and we are still evolving. There was no first human being called Adam.
Then why do we name the species? Why do we even call ourselves humans?? What's common about us being humans to call us that?
Define the word "humans" to me.
We can produce offspring with others of the same species. That's what a species is.
Danny, you're not telling us that Adam's mum and dad were full-on monkeys, surely?
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Appears meaning that people start believing in it. You know that it is not necessary to have a messenger sent from God to some people in order to develop a religion right ? And wide-spread to the extent that we can now have some clues about its existence meaning that it was not the idea of some isolated insignificant group but that it gained popularity in the same way that polytheistic religions were wide-spread.
And again, answer my other question.
I'm not asking about the word "species". I'm asking the names we call the different species.
Are you stupid? It's because it's a form of classification. Why do we call the internet the internet?
There was no point at which we officially became humans, there was a series of mutations that changed us over time, people with better genes survived and had offspring and that kept on happening. There was no point at which some sort of magical human gene was spontaneously introduced.
How do you classify them if there are no lines between them?
Also, if the Swedish people disappear, and the Chinese people survive, does that mean that the Swedish people weren't as humans as the Chinese?