I very much agree with this, there should be the strictest separation of religion and state possible.
Religion, what's the point?
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I very much agree with this, there should be the strictest separation of religion and state possible.
What ?
Good stuff.
Fact is there's no way to politely tell someone they're wasting their life's energy on something that doesn't exist.
Yep, that's one of the foxholes the religious dive into, theology. You know, I don't really give a shit about theology. It's apologetic bullshit. A study of nothing, as Thomas Paine once wrote.
I don't believe in it but people who think they're being clever by rubbishing other's faith are basically pricks. You don't have to believe in it but it's noones business to abuse and condemn others from doing so.
It's fairly simple in my mind - we don't know. Noone actually knows what's behind everything. You have ice. There's a reason for that. It can be explained. How it comes about. But then the further back you go into the origin of things, we simply don't have answers. The world exists but why? How was space formed? If space contains earth and other planets what contains space and where does it the chain end? We all would love to know the answers to these questions but we can't. So some people choose believe in a reason. Call it convenience or whatever you want, but they do. And while I personally can't believe in things without having any logic to it, I'm no more right than those people are. None of us are right and wrong in this sense. It's a preference thing.
It's fairly simple in my mind - we don't know. Noone actually knows what's behind everything. You have ice. There's a reason for that. It can be explained. How it comes about. But then the further back you go into the origin of things, we simply don't have answers. The world exists but why? How was space formed? If space contains earth and other planets what contains space and where does it the chain end? We all would love to know the answers to these questions but we can't. So some people choose believe in a reason. Call it convenience or whatever you want, but they do. And while I personally can't believe in things without having any logic to it, I'm no more right than those people are. None of us are right and wrong in this sense. It's a preference thing.
What doesn't exist?
A Christian/Muslim/Judaic God, which is what we're arguing against here.
Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Plenty of lives wasted there though.
The problem arises when people believe that they know what God's will is, what he wants and doesn't want us to do. You're basically arguing for a deist position here, which I don't have a problem with, and which I think is at least partly reasonable, and certainly not dangerous.
I have no knowledge of the others, but that was, and is, territorial.
Yes that's correct. Not being able to explain something isn't tantamount to needing to fabricate an explanation for it.
Also, there's no way of not offending someone who you feel are wasting their time with all of this.
I am a Christian, I am no part of any organized religion. They are all just misleading people and causing people to kill each other. Condemning gay people, condemning women for having an abortion, Condemning anything that disagrees with their view. They all worship a god who needs his people to stand up for him if they feel he has been insulted. They have promoted themselves to the position of supreme judge. They will have a bad ending.
Because that's what it says in their holy book. Do you believe in the bible or not?
Why do you believe in Christ? Because an old book says so?
It's amazing what a story about a man reincarnated in a dog that has been sentenced to be stoned to death can do!
Does Christianity exist in any non-organised form?
so what be your criticisms on sikhism?
come on, lets be havin you!!
come on, lets be havin you!!
Too much hair. If God didn't want us to cut hair he wouldn't have invented scissors.
you have a point Weaste.
I am Catholic. don't agree with everything my priest tells me though....especially when he hints I should vote Republican.
I go to mass, fulfill my spiritual obligations and try and live my life as a Christian.
The point I am making I guess is you don't have to blindly follow whatever organized religion tells you to remain true to your faith.
No organized hierarchy or authority other than the word of God, no part of the world.
My point still stands, though. You're completely clueless in those subjects.
Your points are obliterated.
But it's fuelled by religion, and many of the murders of innocents have been sectarian, or extremely prejudiced, designed to kill as many of 'them' as possible.
God told Tony to do it.
Tony listens to the voices in his head?
...and to Bush.
So he said on TV. It was a difficult decision so he asked God and he told him to go ahead and invade Iraq.
Bush talks to God and all, Dreams.
As soon as a human being touches a writing implement and uses that to tell a story, then you have to be mental to take it as fact and live your life by it.
That's not rubbishing faith, that's rubbishing man made religion which is then interpreted across hundreds of languages over thousands of years.
Faith is one thing, but following rules dictated by some human with an agenda is totally another.
That's not rubbishing faith, that's rubbishing man made religion which is then interpreted across hundreds of languages over thousands of years.
Faith is one thing, but following rules dictated by some human with an agenda is totally another.
God just forgot to tell him there were no WMDs.
Saliph, my point is simply that for someone who doesn't really know much about religion and theology (as you're not a reader) you display an irritating and near irrational hostility and provide nothing but über simplified generalisations expressed in a profane language.
Again, you come across as extremely bitter.
Please, educate me. I can't wait for your response.
I don't give a shit.
Ofcourse you don't, being an idiot an' all.
Why am I an idiot?
If only Saliph were as well-read as you, he would surely see how right you are.
I wouldn't mind having an interesting debate on a particular issue but I dont think that's what you're after. You're just angry.
It's not all about being well read or who is right and who isn't. It's about arguing your point intelligently.