It could prove it if there was any evidence
It might have had some logic a long long time ago before we knew it to be utterly wrong.
Religion, what's the point?
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It could prove it if there was any evidence
It might have had some logic a long long time ago before we knew it to be utterly wrong.
Fail them.
A couple of things. Evolution is a very slow moving process that takes hundreds of thousands or millions of years. So we wont see clear examples of it in place. However we do see some evidence, the most famous being Darwins Finches.
Secondly and this is incredibly important in terms of being able to see the whale to cow type of evidence. It is incredibly difficult to become a fossil. An animal has to die in just the right place, in just the right conditions at just the right time. An animal has a better chance if it has a hard skeleton. It has to die somewhere that enables it to calcify, preferably near a river or lake bed. It needs to die in such a way or in such a place that its corpse isnt scavenged by other animals if we want a complete fossil.
The real biggie.... It has to be discovered which is despite how many fossils we have found a difficult thing for a species to do. The numbers of species discovered compared to the estimated numbers of species that have existed is tiny. So with respect to finding the missing links, it is an incredibly rare thing to find enough fossilised remains just to make up a single species without finding missing links. I will have this wrong but from memory very roughly the total number of fossilised skeletons for some of our earliest ancestors dont contain enough remains to make a single complete skeleton. In one case and I forget which the total number of fossilised bones numbered less than 100.
If it is not obvious that humans were put on this earth to rule it I really don't know what to tell you. It is so obvious that humans did not come from monkeys, I get it that you think we are related or something. So does that mean you think humans and monkeys were having sex? That's insane!
You point to science as some infallible truth but science is often wrong, you hold a double standard. When you see something that you believe is wrong with religion you point to it and say "see religion is wrong!" But when something is wrong in science you just say "well science changes" as if it is okay to be wrong! At least people with religion hold their beliefs with conviction unlike wishy-washy scientists that change their beliefs like meek little mice.
To quote corinthians 5:13 "our Lord most glorious hath put all animals on this earth perfectly for man to rule over as an ardent steward" Add to that the fact that evolution is just a theory and it's obvious that you are being brainwashed by the "scientists" that have told you about bs evolution. Like sheep unable to think for themselves.
1) Evolution doesn't have a direction so it doesn't "move towards" anything.
2) Evolution is observable. Here are 8 examples and there are loads of others in pathogens and short generation time insects. For example you can see evoltuon in fruit flys in a simple lab experiment. And human (and most other sepcies) evolution is observable from the fossil record. Humans have also demonstrably evolved as we couldn't digest milk until after we started farming a few thousand years ago. This is a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms.
3) Most evolutionary "failures" aren't even born but humans with disabilities are in some cases in effect failed evolution - not dissing the disabled here, just talking biology - because changes have occurred due to a genetic change/recombination/mutation that often results in less reproductive success than the average for humans. An extreme example is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atacama_skeleton and there are lots of others around that the religious tend to just ignore.
4) Whale evolution is quite well understood even if the "transitional" fossils you seek aren't hugely numerous die to the habitat they lived in not being condusive to fosdsilisation just as bat evolution is less well documented than other lines due to the environment they lived in and their lightweight bones not fossilising very well.
5) God of the gaps: The list of transitional fossils we have found is actually huge and covers all the main lineages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils and here are the main groups that people seem to like to pretend don't exist http://www.transitionalfossils.com/ and another interesting article http://www.livescience.com/3306-fossils-reveal-truth-darwin-theory.html
Great example of Poe's law this.
Is he a scientist too?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._M._S._Watson#Famous_Quote
Have a read on that quote. You presented a creationist straw man of that quote, and the actual quote is something quite different. You also stated you were a scientist, earlier? If so, why are you making an appeal to authority, and an appeal based on a quote from 1929, when major kinks in evolution were still being ironed out? I have a hard time believing that you're a scientist.
And to say that the fact that monkeys are still here presents a problem to the ToE is absolute nonsense. You've already corrected yourself on the notion that we evolved from monkeys rather than from a common ancestor, so what on earth is left to be a problem?
Utter destruction. Nicely done.Think I've posted this (probably more than once) in this thread before but it's always worth a watch as it basically confirms without question that humans evolved from primates:
Think I've posted this (probably more than once) in this thread before but it's always worth a watch as it basically confirms without question that humans evolved from primates:
So if we do come from monkeys why don't we see monkeys evolving into humans now? Not to mention Ken M. is a well known Internet troll and guess who is in that video?
If evolution is truly happening why aren't older species like lizards more evolved and more intelligent like humans? It doesn't make sense!
Are you serious? I don't know if I should laugh or cry. We are just another evolved animal. Nobody put us here to do anything much less rule.
Still not sure if you are serious? Humans did not evolve from monkeys. I now almost certain that I may have mentioned this before. We both has a common ancestor - this is very different from saying we evolved from monkeys. We also had a common ancestor with horses only much longer ago.
I'm beginning to think that you aren't joking. Science isn't infallible truth and doesn't pretend to be so. It is about constantly improving our understanding of life, the universe and everything and (thankfully) evolves as the evidence evolves. It isn't strictly that I think religion is wrong any more than I think unicorns are wrong. I jusy thin it is delusional nonsense that we should have grown out of by now since we now have an explanation for how things work and don't need an invented supernatural explanation as we did before science.You don't understand what a scientific theory is and I strongly suspect that you don't want to understand. I have been brainwashed by nobody. Or at least nobody has brainwashed me since I was brought up Catholic. Luckily I soon realised that it was all utter nonsense. Since you seem to think a willingness to change when the evidence changes is a weakness of science how do you think this alleged brainwashing occurs? Crap brainwashing if it changes all the time according to the evidence.
Because there is no big invisible bloke with a beard guiding things like a puppetmaster.
You really need to do a basic biology course. Your ignorance in this area is staggering.
P.S. We didn't evolve from monkeys. I probably should have mentioned this earlier.
Well feck, now I have to go and re-evaluate everything.
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Don't forget the having sex with monkeys bit. Although I suppose a Bonobo would be up for it.
Well feck, now I have to go and re-evaluate everything.
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That's not a bad thing mate. It's really easy to get caught up in something like science when it is proclaimed as the only way forward. When you really examine some of these theories it's not too difficult to find holes.
Inverse Poe's Law at work (or is it just Poe's Law? I can't decide).
Are you serious? I don't know if I should laugh or cry. We are just another evolved animal. Nobody put us here to do anything much less rule.
Still not sure if you are serious? Humans did not evolve from monkeys. I now almost certain that I may have mentioned this before. We both has a common ancestor - this is very different from saying we evolved from monkeys. We also had a common ancestor with horses only much longer ago.
You don't understand what a scientific theory is and I strongly suspect that you don't want to understand. I have been brainwashed by nobody. Or at least nobody has brainwashed me since I was brought up Catholic. Luckily I soon realised that it was all utter nonsense. Since you seem to think a willingness to change when the evidence changes is a weakness of science how do you think this alleged brainwashing occurs? Crap brainwashing if it changes all the time according to the evidence.
If we are just another evolved animal how have we escaped the food chain? It is obvious that we are superior to animals.
So if we have a common ancestor with monkeys we have descended from them right? If so we had to bang a couple of monkeys somewhere in there right? I believe we are descendants of King David, makes sense because we are you know humans. The horses bit
Science doesn't explain where we came from or where we are going so it must not be as evolved as you and other scientists would like it to be. Just because someone believes something different than you doesn't mean it isn't right. You can't even prove god doesn't exist!
A theory means something that might be wrong, something unproven. Funnily enough much of science is based upon these theories. I honestly don't know how you can't see this.
Also I'll ask the question again, why are the supposed older species like lizards not more evolved than humans? If evolution were true don't you think they would be capable of inter-galactic travel or something crazy with how long they have been around?
I'm sure David Ike thinks otherwise.
Guess you haven't visited Hull then.
I'm not talking about conspiracy theories and other zany stuff. I'm talking about real tangible things like God, Lucifer, Heaven, and Hell. Don't know what he's got to do with any of that.
The amount of potential Poe in this thread is twisting my melon, man.
The post above me alone is so amazing it could take me weeks to work out whether it could be said with a straight face by anyone able to work a computer.
Not sure what you're saying.
If Red-Jeff is trolling, he's showing remarkable commitment :|
I think you would be well served to read a proper evolutionary biology book (or geology to understand time). We are still evolving. Evolution is taking place around all around us. For the most part, it happens so slow we don't notice it. And evolution isn't about becoming more intelligent or being stronger. It's all about adapting to change and reproduction. For example, a leaf eating mammal that has a slightly longer neck than it's brothers and sisters can reach more flora than its siblings and may have a slightly better chance at finding a mate and reproducing. His genes are passed on. This happens over 100's of generations and you get this same species that have longer necks across the board than their ancestors 100's of generations ago.
This theory is certainly more plausible than any religious text.
I made a crappy joke because you asked about super intelligent reptiles.
The things you mention might seem tangible and real to You and Me, but non-believers don't care.
I assure you I am not like that Ken M. creep, nothing better to do than make people believe that he believes something he doesn't believe.
I think you would be well served reading the bible. Your example doesn't make sense, why don't all leaf eating animals have long necks so they are better adapted to reach leaves in trees? That's ridiculous! Imagine a bunch of koala bears running around "hohoho I've got a long neck to eat the leaves!" Nah mate God made long necked animals that way so they could reach the tall trees!
You can't escape a food chain. I don't even think that escaping from a food chain is a thing.
We have evolved to be the most intelligent animal on earth but intelligence is just one evolved trait so I don't see how that makes us superior in a general sense.
No
No but if you feel the need to try it out try a Bonobo. They are very broad minded.
The evidence suggests otherwise. And by suggests I mean you are utterly wrong and obviously so.
The horses bit
And otters
Science does explain exactly how and were we came from. Or are you actually saying that is doesn't yet fully explain how life arose on Earth? Abiogensis hasn't been fully explained yet (or rather it may well have been but the conditions are very hard to recreate to test this) but that is happened seems almost certain and no doubt it will be fully explained eventually. There may be things we can't fully explain but this won't be one of them.
I don't believe anything at all. Every. I understand things based on the current evidence. When that evidence changes my understanding changes.
It is the nature of things that don't exist that you can't prove that they don't exist. You also can't prove that the Easter Bunny or unicorns don't exist. Of course conventional wisdom is that a complete lack of evidence despite a huge amount of effort generally equates to something not existing. But if the evidence changes ...... I could also go on about nul hypotheses but I won't as it obviously won't help.
Science isn't a Sherlock episode. You may use theory in every day conversation to mean "guess" or "think" but in science it has a very specific meaning.
Wikipedia's defenition isn't bad.
"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation."
I did answer in another post.
Evolution has no direction. Being taller or faster or more intelligent is not a goal of evolution. Evolution has no goals.
Evolution is driven by natural selection and natural selection can only work on what is available so random "why don't we have 8 legs" or why aren't Lizards more intelligent" are meaningless questions.[/QUOTE]
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Still not sure if serious. Although I always fell this way whem talking to fundamental religious people. I'm always waiting for them to smile and say "Gotcha".
@MarylandMUFan if you're American too I'm extremely disappointed in you, One Nation Under God. You would do well to not forget that. Nationalism and Christianity are the only way this country will ever move forward.
Don't forget guns.
I agree. This thread has truly our-Poe'd itself.
Alright, that seals it. Come on, now, Jeffy. Quit the charades before the alternate persona becomes you.
God did give us the right to own weapons as shown in the Constitution.
Big guns especially.
"Under God" was added to the pledge in 1954 and it was a stupid thing to do.
The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. ... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding...
-Thomas Jefferson (in a letter to John Adams)
We must move forward, not backward. Upward, not forward. And always twirling, twirling twirling toward freedom!
Is that the same constitution as the one that was written by men who rejected and mocked religion?