Wouldn't really disagree with you. Like I said, any proper debate has to have a cross examination where you can hold the person's feet over the fire, so to speak.
Religion, what's the point?
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Wouldn't really disagree with you. Like I said, any proper debate has to have a cross examination where you can hold the person's feet over the fire, so to speak.
Do you believe in subduction, plate tectonics and volcanology Herman? Do you think they accurately explain geological processes that formed the earth or do you think there is another explanation ie the great flood?
Exactly, and it was also Bill's fault since he agreed, in fact I believe he suggested, that the debate occur in Ken Ham's creationism museum.
That sounds like Satan talk, go abuse some corpses.
Hurry! Noah's Ark will save us from the damning fires of hell!... or is that how the story went? who knows, who cares.
I watched the movie about that, fear not! Giant rock monsters will save us.
Have we worked out which religion is the right one yet?
Check back in 4 pages.
I agree completely with you here. He uses the word immoral to get attention in this statement. He has always approached his book in a cold hard facts way but I think he's really looking for attention in the last few years. It's a shame really because some of his points are very good but a lot will just look at his sensationalist and emotionally cold comments.
whichever one is responsible for the most deaths in the next...4 hours! Go!
There's this boring bastard on the radio every day called Dave Ramsey. He does financial advice but his schtick is to marry it with biblical teachings. He claims that god is giving out wealth for you to maximise and do some good with it. Goes on about the parable of the talents to justify it.
I think that Joel Osteen does prosperity too...seems to be popular these days.
I think that Joel Osteen does prosperity too...seems to be popular these days.
Good example of a celebrity making use of God in his acceptance of an award was Justin Bieber. He'd "like to thank God, but not just God - Jesus too, because he did some of the work"
god = jesus = the holy spirit so Bieber flails......
I do find it funny when people give god credit for their achievements and completely undermine their pretense to free will.
I think it's bullshit public relations designed to pander to a sizeable market demographic who might not buy an artist's work if they didn't say it.
It's not just celebrities who do it though, my religious friends constantly talk about how god helped them pass an exam, or driving test or helped them get a job or any of a number of relatively straightforward things which they did themselves and which millions of people do without divine interference. Just say "YES I PASSED MY DRIVING TEST! HURRA!" because that's what happened thanks to their work, instead it's "Thank you Jesus for helping me pass my driving test! Couldn't have done it without you!"
Fair point. I do hear it from one or two around the office as well. All part of the subservience that religion demands, I guess.
It's madness doc, I wonder how much healthier and more confident these people would be if they realized it was their work that lead to their successes.
Jesus take the wheel
Edit: Where was Jesus when I got in a fecking car accident yesterday?
Edit: Where was Jesus when I got in a fecking car accident yesterday?
None.
Not at all, just wanted to post that quote following your post.
Some loon on my facebook feed posted some crap about "a missile that was about to cause the worst terrorist attack in Israel's history" mysteriously failed (how convenient it was going to be the "worst attack" ever), which was obvious proof of divine intervention. But we'll just ignore the thousands of other missiles launched by both sides that found intended targets. Such is the idiocy of faith.
Btw, I highly doubt Herman was an atheist and found religion. Is that you, Kirk Cameron?
So has everyone come to the agreement that all religion is man-made rubbish designed to control?
No? Fine then, I'll go back to believing in my favourite fictional book and keep planting those baked beans in the ground. One day I'll get that pesky goose, though I think I need to switch from heinz...
No? Fine then, I'll go back to believing in my favourite fictional book and keep planting those baked beans in the ground. One day I'll get that pesky goose, though I think I need to switch from heinz...
There is one that has the following "rules". I agree with all of them apart from number 7, which I don't really understand.
- Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
- Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
- When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
- If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
- Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
- Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
- Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
- Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
- Do not harm little children.
- Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
- When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
I've taken the Silmarillion as my holy book. It has less plot holes than most of the others and it's significantly more thoughtfully put together in terms of character development and story arcs.
If I do you the honour of letting you donate 10% of your income to me, I'll let you join my religion. If you are lucky and live by our glorious rules (don't worry it doesn't involve slaughtering 42 children or raping underage virgins) you might even see the light...of my golden eggs when you polish them. That may or may not be a euphemism.
If you don't, you go to heck.
Your religion can't be right mate, mine is. I know mine's right because it says so in my book which must be true because it says it is.
Enjoy heck.
My book has been translated thousands of times across hundreds of languages over the ages. I think you'll find that makes it more focused and accurate than your fairy tale.
Sounds dodgy. Are you sure your version is the same as the original? Be pretty awkward if you were just following some half arsed translations rather than the real thing.
I plant some baked beans, climb a big bush and get golden love eggs as my reward.
How hard is that to understand? If you don't get any part of that, one word solves all fears and wipes out all need for logic. Miracle.
How hard is that to understand? If you don't get any part of that, one word solves all fears and wipes out all need for logic. Miracle.
Oh shit, I didn't know it was a miracle. You should have just said. I'm in, tell me what days I'm not allowed to eat what on and what my views on homosexuals should be!
Yay, circle jerks!
What does your book say about them, Red? Are they allowed?
Anyone seen this gobbledygook from the catholic nutters:
In 2002, the Vatican recognised as a miracle the healing of a tumor in the abdomen of an Indian woman, Monica Besra, after the application of a locket containing Mother Teresa's picture. Besra said that a beam of light emanated from the picture, curing the cancerous tumor. Critics—including some of Besra's medical staff and, initially, Besra's husband—said that conventional medical treatment had eradicated the tumor. Dr. Ranjan Mustafi, who told The New York Times he had treated Besra, said that the cyst was not cancer at all but a cyst caused by tuberculosis. He said, "It was not a miracle.... She took medicines for nine months to one year." According to Besra's husband, "My wife was cured by the doctors and not by any miracle.
We've had catholics in here acting as though Herman was a nutter and that they are reasonable but nonsensebollocks like this is still going on from their leaders.
In 2002, the Vatican recognised as a miracle the healing of a tumor in the abdomen of an Indian woman, Monica Besra, after the application of a locket containing Mother Teresa's picture. Besra said that a beam of light emanated from the picture, curing the cancerous tumor. Critics—including some of Besra's medical staff and, initially, Besra's husband—said that conventional medical treatment had eradicated the tumor. Dr. Ranjan Mustafi, who told The New York Times he had treated Besra, said that the cyst was not cancer at all but a cyst caused by tuberculosis. He said, "It was not a miracle.... She took medicines for nine months to one year." According to Besra's husband, "My wife was cured by the doctors and not by any miracle.
We've had catholics in here acting as though Herman was a nutter and that they are reasonable but nonsensebollocks like this is still going on from their leaders.
The pedaling of this superstitious nonsense by the Catholics is not only laughable, but it's also dangerous. There are literally thousands of parents dragging their sick kids to Lourdes each year because they think they can be miraculously healed, spending large sums of money in the process. I've been reading up on the current hot destination for worshipers of the Virgin Mary -- Medjugorje in Bosnia - where a whole industry has been set up based on healing pilgrimages of desperate Catholics....all because some kids have claimed the Virgin Mary appeared to them. I've been reading some of the catholic forums and I've seen dozens of stories of deluded people resting their hopes on their pilgrimage and it really is depressing.
I must have missed that bit Grinner.