Good grief you lot entertain some nonsense. "Constantine had the biggest influence."
Religion, what's the point?
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I think the world would be a better place without religion, people should just believe in a 'higher power' or a 'god' in their own way, if we do that, a lot of hatred/wars will decline considerably.
We are all the same at the end of the day, yet religion divides people, cults if you will of 'our religion is the right one' and 'we are right, you are wrong'.
But yeah money and religion are 2 of the biggest poisons to humanity, money we still need though and not ready to give up, as money is still the drive for the human race to keep progressing, but religion in the 21st century, there's just no real need for it anymore.
We are all the same at the end of the day, yet religion divides people, cults if you will of 'our religion is the right one' and 'we are right, you are wrong'.
But yeah money and religion are 2 of the biggest poisons to humanity, money we still need though and not ready to give up, as money is still the drive for the human race to keep progressing, but religion in the 21st century, there's just no real need for it anymore.
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How ironic.
I really hope trans-humanism nullifies the need for religion in the coming decades.
The future of humanity is being digitized when we die and living in virtual reality environments for eternity. These religious nuts will have people who sin (don't pay their church and believe their shite) burning in a digital Hell... maybe.
Who told you this? How did you find out?
I found some scriptures that were from God but written down by some bloke in a Sci-Fi mag.
Herman Wumster?
I was just debating this at work last week, that there's zero evidence of a giant ark, and that the science behind it doesn't work. I also brought up a man living inside a fish/whale for x days, talking snakes, burning bushes, etc. Told my friend, who studies religion, that had you never heard of all these stories growing up, and one day at per say age 21, a random person came up to you on the street and told you of all these stories and that it's true because the Bible says so... you'd think this person is insane.
Where did all the extra water go? I think that one thing about puts the kibosh on the validity of the story of the Ark.
You know all that gear you were on back in the eighties Malcolm?
if all the ice of the world would melt, the sea level would rise about 60-70meter. If the water would be extraordinary hot, the density would also decrease (4°C is for water the temperature with the highest density), so the volume would further increase.
Thats not really enough to drown mankind, but god surely has his ways. He is famous for turning water into wine. Maybe this time its the other way around. 
I never inhaled.
Yeah there are loads of gospels and I think the Romans decided on what gospels should and shouldn't be included in the bible.
Good grief you lot entertain some nonsense. "Constantine had the biggest influence."
Well what's your version of how the books of the bible came together?
if all the ice of the world would melt, the sea level would rise about 60-70meter. If the water would be extraordinary hot, the density would also decrease (4°C is for water the temperature with the highest density), so the volume would further increase.
As I understand it the Earth has a finite amount of water, so mathematically the story doesn't add up.
Inspired by God - written by humans. Therefore not a iota of mistake in them.
This seems relevant to that:
http://sciencebasedlife.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/biblecontradictions-reasonproject.png
So Noah was 950 years old? It also says he went on the lash after the whole affair and passed out in his tent.
The earliest manuscript evidence all supports what we have in scripture today. The early Church didn't have the whole of the new testament available to them, and they copied what they had, so we have lines of corroborative manuscript evidence which actually makes it harder to make the charge that the scriptures were all put together by one person or council. Imagine trying to control that situation.
Claims that Jesus went to live somewhere else or that Constantine controlled the canon of scripture not only don't make sense but aren't supported by the evidence, either. Remember the cross of Christ is, even according to skeptical scholars, the most solid historical fact of antiquity.
Who's claiming that one person put it all together? So you're agreeing that a bunch of people decided what was in and what was out over a long period of time?
No, that there were scriptures written by Paul, John, etc and that the early Church would have had access to them and the lines of manuscript evidence demonstrates they weren't altered over time in a Chinese whispers style.
I find that very hard to believe.
In my younger days, I had a girlfriend who was part Egyptian, her dad was involved in the Orthodox Church. She and her dad knew the Priests were taking a lot of the money for themselves. It is the same with a lot of the 'evangelical' sheiks sprouting across the Middle East now, charging for tapes, books, tv appearances, interviews, advice etc etc
Religion is a business. An incredibly lucrative one.
But it is what the evidence indicates... Do you know one of the easiest ways to tell the gospels we have were written not long after Christ's crucifixion in 30-33AD? Christ made a prophecy that the second Jewish temple would be destroyed, and it was in 75AD, yet the gospel writers only mention the prophecy, not the fulfilment of it. If they were writing after 75AD, they would have included the detail of the temple's destruction, consistent with their habit of referencing the old testament scriptures Christ fulfilled in his lifetime.
So would any decent scholar of biblical exegesis.
It doesn't seem like much of a prediction to claim that the Romans would come in and destroy everything.
Before the gospels were written down wasn't everything passed along by word of mouth?
I used to consider myself Christian because I was born into the religion, forced to go to church due to my parents, etc., got baptized at birth, got confirmed when I was a teenager and so on, eventually I came to believe in the premise of Christianity as well.
But as time went on, starting college, meeting new friends, and able to think for myself, I slowly came to realization that religion is BS (I could probably go on about this but it's pointless to explain as lot of people here don't believe in religion anyways). I probably should've noticed much earlier than to believe in improbable fairy tales like the Noah's ark story, and the contradictions within the bible's stories, but I'm glad I snapped out of it anyhow. I wouldn't be surprised if all the offerings my parents give to the church are used in shady businesses as well (but suggesting that to my parents will of course fall on deaf ears)... My mom also complains that church elders fight all the time for power, what a way to set an example for this whole religion business.
The Jewish oral tradition wasn't quite the same thing as what we'd think of something like that entailing today. We've got so many ways to store information, we don't have to concentrate particularly keenly on everything that is said. However, we don't know that the disciples of Christ didn't make various notes of his teachings before they wrote the gospels we have today. Jesus also would have repeated teachings many times for the purpose of versing his disciples in them. A three year ministry is ample time to do that.
Good grief, you lot entertain a lot of nonsense.
Are you saying the gospels are written by the apostles themselves. Like the Gospel of Matthew was written by Matthew?
How many days do you reckon you could live in a fish Herman?
Does this apply to all humans?
Putting his name to it was silly if he was trying to remain anonymous.
If you base your conclusions on the assumptions of liberal scholars, oates, you need to go the whole way and deny the gospel since prohpecy is one of the reasons they place Matthew's gospel so late. The Church tradionally dates the Gospel of Matthew to the late 50's, certainly not later than 70 AD.