Yup this religion is a man made thing. If there really is a Terry's power or God. He's not picking and choosing who goes to heaven and especially not because the Jews are chosen. Well feck you God you made me from England
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I hate my son because he was born in July. However my daughter was born in September. All hail
In my opinion, science is simply a human language that helps explain God's amazing system to us.
And my faith is exactly that, that there are many things that are beyond human understanding.
Catholism was iPhone 6 whilst Islam was iPhone 7. They are essentially the same, ways of worshiping the same ultimate God with time refining the recommended way. So its not surprising at all .... if only people would focus on the 95% that we agree on instead of the 5% that is essentially just beta testing refinements .
Don't think many religious people would dispute that. Religion is seen in most cases as a media for humans access God (not man made).
Anyhow, did you read the first post? This is the wrong thread if you want to bash religion. Take it to the other one.
Yes, @Billy Blaggs - this thread was started so that people of faith and those with an interest in faith could discuss their religions. There are lots of people who would agree with you in the anti-religion thread, Religion, what's the point?
I'll get your coat.
I was always science minded my heroes when I was 10 years old was madame Curie and Thomas Edison so religion always sounded a bit mythical and the fact in the past religion=power in the west, inquisition (I have Jewish blood like a large Portuguese population does) when Jesus message was peace the church used Jesus words to justify torture and death, what some priests did with kids and the church protected them. I believe in the past a lot of priests were gay and decided to be priests to avoid marriage (on my church a young good looking - in my wife's words, priest from Colombia quit to get married with another man and he's living in Philadelphia
). So going back to faith I do want to have faith but my questioning mind makes harder but I do know one thing "mass cannot be created or destroyed" - Lavoisier gave me some hope 
When things goes really wrong then I end up calling God for help so I still have some faith and I wish was as strong as my wife's
Edit:adding a few more words.
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I agree but that's a troublesome analogy. Because people would say iPhone7 is the more advanced, relevant phone and that's how the trouble starts.
a tiny minority does, vast majority live and let live.
If you ask Catholics if they consider Islam a more advanced and refined version of theirs, I imagine the overwhelming majority would vehemently disagree. Perhaps a better comparison would be iPhone 7 to Galaxy S7?
That's an apt comparison.
Eschatology anyone?
Christianity: return of Jesus, death, resurrection...
Islam: minor signs, major signs (Gog Magog, smoke, the beast...) , Antichrist vs Messiah (return of Jesus), Golden age and judgment day..
Judaism: gathering of the exiled diaspora, Jewish Messiah, messianic age...
Yeah, there are a lot of similarities.
1. The belief in the same Creator, certain messengers, saints...
2. Jesus Christ is for example considered as a prophet in Islam and the Messiah at the end of the times: he will come back on Earth to restore a golden age. From an Islamic perspective, he isn't the son of God and Muhammad is the last prophet before the Judgment Day.
3. Mary, Abraham... are also key figures.
I understand Islam says all these holy persons have expressed the same message but that message was partly corrupt in the previous holy books (partly transformed by human action). Islam recognizes some previous religious books but considers the Koran as the only one fully reliable holy book. For example, I'm not sure but a Muslim (man) has the right to marry a christian woman.
This stuff is all in Revelation, except the "golden age", but that might well be the New Jerusalem.
I'm not a pundit but I understand Jesus will come back on Earth to put an end to a period of chaos so that he could restore peace, justice and rule the world from the new Jerusalem.
Some Christians say the new Jerusalem will be the Heaven.
In any case and whatever your religious beliefs, there will be action in Jerusalem!
What about the minor and major signs? Any correlation between Islam and Christianity?
(1) Is there a given time period to this?
(2) Secondly, is New Jerusalem a physical location on Earth?
Thanks!
Oh yes.. "Signs of the apocalypse' is a major thing in Christian eschatology. The ones he mentioned are in there. Gog and Magog, Wars and rumors of wars, The mark of the beast, etc.
1) This is actually hotly debated in Christianity.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/biblic...lennial-and-postmillennial/amp/?client=safari
2) According to the Bible, yes. It will be centered on a new 3rd Temple rebuilt on the Temple Mount.
@Carolina Red is right.
I'm not Christian but religion is interesting in terms of general knowledge
(1) Each of these 3 Abrahamic religions tend to define the end of Times as a quick succession of major events whose order/definition is strongly discussed.
Regarding Christianity, there are different religious groups but there are recurring themes: tribulation, the rule of Jesus (typical debate being the return of Christ on Earth VS Amillennialism saying that he will rule from Heaven), Capture, Millenium, ressurection, judgment and then eternal state
This website seems to be well documented
https://bible.org/seriespage/9-eschatology-end-times
An illustration of many potential diverging interpretations
(2) Many diverging interpretations. Those who believe in the return of Jesus consider he will rule from Jerusalem. After all, monotheistic religions have started there with miracles and supernatural events.
How does this align with participating in western education and society? In some way, it seems to be a philosophy which contradict the liberal ideas centred around the individual and his Ego.
You have entire fields of study in the social sciences, who relies mainly on assumptions inferred from a utilitarian moral code. A code that concerns itself solely with what you called "what you might consider a good life".
Couple of videos here that might be interesting, communal Sufi ceremonies in Lahore and Omdurman (Sudan):
Both regularly attract the few Western tourists who visit these places.
Both regularly attract the few Western tourists who visit these places.
I didn't fully understand the Q, so apologies if I get the wrong end of the stick but:
Given how Sikhs have integrated well into Western society, I'd say it aligns pretty well. The West is associated with greed, but personally I'd say Southern Asia is just as bad. India for example is rife with corruption and greed. So for a Sikh, it doesn't matter that you are in the West. Sikhs are (I hope) active members of their local communities, and having a honest working life is of paramount importance. There's nothing wrong with being in the corporate sector, or achieving financial success. It's when you become engrossed in the 'rat race', that is considered detrimental.
Hope this helps at least!
Thanks. I'm really wondering if there is a problematic bias in social science with policy advice, notably economics, failing to acknowledge the preferences of a subset of the society it advices. It is a very theoretical thing anyways.
Very interesting read though, didn't know much about Sikhism previously.
On your second point, a Catholic perspective would be that the New Jerusalem is the Church.
http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=329339
Ah I see, thank you, it's very interesting!
Nigeria's Sultan of Sokoto rejects gender equality bill
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-38449822
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-38449822
Ok... your thoughts? or a reason for brining this up?
Sorry but I find that disturbing. Please explain your theology or why you would hate your son because of the month he was born? (no offence meant just want to understand)
Wrong thread.
he's clearly taking the piss
pretty obvious if you look at his past comments in this thread, though I don't blame you because there are a lot of crazies onlinewoooooooosh
unless that was an ingenious bluff by you, in which case bravo sir!!
I was talking about the fact that you missed I was throwing his sarcasm back in his face... but nevermind
ah ok. seems the joke's on meI was talking about the fact that you missed I was throwing his sarcasm back in his face... but nevermind
I'm not trolling if that is being suggested here. I was doing my rounds on that day and saw some related news. Is this not a thread for the discussion of religious affairs in a pleasant yet serious environment?
Maybe there are some Nigerian posters on the site who had a view on the topic.
If you would rather that i post such news in the other thread, i can certainly do so from here-on.
No, that's the other thread. This is for religious folk to discuss their own views on religion and perhaps find a bit of intra-faith common ground on their beliefs. News articles should go in the other thread.