Refs & VAR 2020/2021 Discussion

[Globule]

Two exactly the same incidents in the same half of football, one given one not

unexplainable

They were nowhere near being exactly the same. The push on De Gea was much worse than whatever foul Maguire is supposed to have committed.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Of course it can.

Nah, the ref blew the whistle before the ball went into the net. So the play was dead at that point.

Absolute shite from the ref, but nothing VAR can do.

 

[NinjaZombie]

Dave needs to show some kind of character imo. Should have made a meal of that push or got on the Ref's face to get something out of it.

The guy is just too timid.

Least he could do was make it obvious he was being fouled.

It would be a moot point if the refereeing was consistent and our goal allowed to stand. People like to say two wrongs don't make a right, but in this case it does.

 

[Cardozo]

It was checked by VAR.

It wasn’t, they checked Pogbas penalty claim. Ref blew before ball was in the net.

 

[charlenefan]

They were nowhere near being exactly the same. The push on De Gea was much worse than whatever foul Maguire is supposed to have committed.

I was trying to remain unbiased

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm talking about var in terms of the technology, and the process involved in reviewing to correct decisions.

Everybody watching at home, in an instant could see those incidents and correct them, or if you've decided the first isn't a foul, then allow the second to stand also.

Getting 'rid' of the var tech is pointless. Overall it corrects plenty.

The “var tech” made an absolute bollox of two big decisions tonight. That’s completely unacceptable when we sacrifice so much to implement the damn thing.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Yeah I’m not too sure how that was a foul. Maguire literally tried to challenge for the ball, no intent to go to the keeper. Don’t think he even touched Ramsdale, Ramsdale was the one made the contact.

Exactly Maguire is entitled to challenge for it and has eyes on the ball, keeper just spills it.

Referee craps himself and blows, even though the smart thing would be to let it ride and rely on VAR/videos.

It’s like they’re worried VAR undermines them, embrace it, there to help.

 

[arnie_ni]

Nah, the ref blew the whistle before the ball went into the net. So the play was dead at that point.

Absolute shite from the ref, but nothing VAR can do.

Confirmed by bt sport. Var can't look at it because the ref blew the whistle

 

[Shane88]

How is pushing a goalie not a foul and why does DDG not show his displeasure of the foul.

De Gea did the exact same thing a few years ago against Everton at Old Trafford.

Got blown out of it in a clear foul, the goal was given and he shrugged his shoulders. I fecking hate it.

 

[acnumber9]

I'm talking about var in terms of the technology, and the process involved in reviewing to correct decisions.

Everybody watching at home, in an instant could see those incidents and correct them, or if you've decided the first isn't a foul, then allow the second to stand also.

Getting 'rid' of the var tech is pointless. Overall it corrects plenty.

The tech can’t make decisions. VAR is the officials. If the officials are no good, VAR is no good.

 

[Berbasbullet]

God Peter Walton get in the bin you old dusty moron.

 

[padr81]

Maguires wasn't a foul and Sharps was, poor officiating.

 

[Berbaclass]

What a joke.

 

[acnumber9]

Confirmed by bt sport. Var can't look at it because the ref blew the whistle

That’s absolute nonsense though. We had a penalty given this season after the final whistle. Peter Walton talks absolute shite.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Exactly Maguire is entitled to challenge for it and has eyes on the ball, keeper just spills it.

Referee craps himself and blows, even though the smart thing would be to let it ride and rely on VAR/videos.

It’s like they’re worried VAR undermines them, embrace it, there to help.

In the same way VAR/videos ruled out their goal after he let it ride?

 

[Jonno]

Peter Walton on BT Sport saying the ref made a mistake by blowing the whistle for a foul too soon on the Maguire/Ramsdale incident. It meant that VAR "cannot look at the incident"

 

[Bobcat]

CLASSIC VAR feckery there. Minor irritation without VAR. Referees are human after all. Incandescent rage with VAR.

The stupid fecking poxy load of shite has ruined goal celebrations in return for supposedly getting rid of obvious unfair decisions like that. It really is ruining the game.

This is it.

We have fecking VIDEO replays, so why cant they be reviewed? Oh, no we cant because "the refs decision is the law"

In one instance we have a player going into the keeper with no interest in the ball

In the other we have a player jumping straight up and the keeper fumbling the ball.

 

[Berbasbullet]

In the same way VAR/videos ruled out their goal after he let it ride?

Good point.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

That’s absolute nonsense though. We had a penalty given this season after the final whistle. Peter Walton talks absolute shite.

That's completely different because that incident happened BEFORE the whistle.

 

[SER19]

The “var tech” made an absolute bollox of two big decisions tonight. That’s completely unacceptable when we sacrifice so much to implement the damn thing.

It didn't though. The referee blew his whistle so var couldn't review the second one. Referees on field mistake in a season where attacks are supposed to play out

 

[arnie_ni]

That’s absolute nonsense though. We had a penalty given this season after the final whistle. Peter Walton talks absolute shite.

Because that one was a penalty check. This time the ref blew the whistle so the goal doesn't count and VAR can't check fks.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Peter Walton on BT Sport saying the ref made a mistake by blowing the whistle for a foul too soon on the Maguire/Ramsdale incident. It meant that VAR "cannot look at the incident"

Yet they had plenty of time to analyse theIr goal and still cocked it up.

 

[acnumber9]

That's completely different because that incident happened BEFORE the whistle.

What? So did this one.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It didn't though. The referee blew his whistle so var couldn't review the second one. Referees on field mistake in a season where attacks are supposed to play out

And their goal?

 

[Pexbo]

How is pushing a goalie not a foul and why does DDG not show his displeasure of the foul.

To be fair to De Gea, he’s in the melee and won’t have the first idea of who made contact with him from behind.

 

[SER19]

The tech can’t make decisions. VAR is the officials. If the officials are no good, VAR is no good.

Overall it still corrects more big calls and I'm glad it's there. But this referee and var officials tonight should be demoted or at least have to give a post match report explaining their decisions.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

What? So did this one.

No it didn't, the ball went into the net after the whistle.

So therefore it never happened.

 

[acnumber9]

Because that one was a penalty check. This time the ref blew the whistle so the goal doesn't count and VAR can't check fks.

Yeah, and offsides? Where they give free kicks if it is offside. They’re talking absolute shite.

 

[arnie_ni]

What? So did this one.

The goal didn't. The goal happened after the whistle and VAR can't check free kicks. He said it clear as day

 

[Roboc7]

Ref got both big decisions wrong but they are exactly the kind of decisions that VAR never over turns whichever way they are given. It’s essentially redundant for those kind of incidents as whatever ref decides is final, whether it’s right or wrong.

 

[Berbasbullet]

They should mic up refs and VAR like rugby, too cowardly to do it, might actually have to explain decisions.

 

[Cardozo]

The fact that he didn't makes me think he didn't really think it was much of a push.

If he felt he'd been fouled you know he'd have been irrate.

I don’t think he really had a clue who or why he was shoved. You get buffeted around in the box and need to be stronger but let’s be honest, it’s a clear and deliberate foul with no intention to play the ball. Must be stevie wonder doing the VAR.

Hope we put this to bed in the second half.

 

[bsCallout]

That’s absolute nonsense though. We had a penalty given this season after the final whistle. Peter Walton talks absolute shite.

That's completely different circumstances.

 

[arnie_ni]

Yeah, and offsides? Where they give free kicks if it is offside. They’re talking absolute shite.

Again they are checking a goal.

Our goal didn't happened because it happened after a whistle

 

[acnumber9]

Apologies, I get what you’s are saying now. He blew before the ball hit the net.

 

[Jonno]

Yet they had plenty of time to analyse theIr goal and still cocked it up.

I think both should stand as goals to be fair. DDG is a wet lettuce when coming for corners, and Ramsdale was poor when coming for his.

Difference is VAR were not allowed to review ours, so its a critical mistake from the on field ref. Both incidents should be refereed fairly.

 

[SER19]

And their goal?

A clear mistake. Demonstrated clearly that it was a foul but somehow not given. A terrible mistake but one most people live with if we didn't get one disallowed minutes later for less. Had var been allowed to review and allow ours to stand also then it's all fair, or as fair as it can be

 

[UncleBob]

david coote is the VAR

No surprise, utter incompetent that fecker

 

[Berbaclass]

That’s absolute nonsense though. We had a penalty given this season after the final whistle. Peter Walton talks absolute shite.

Not the same thing.

 

[arnie_ni]

Apologies, I get what you’s are saying now. He blew before the ball hit the net.

Yep, referee error. Nothing was gained by blowing so early