'Redcafe Top 100 Movies: The Better Than Last Time List' Committee Selection

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AdZzUtd said:
Yeah, I'm on it, thanks for the recommendations, I'll try them all. You mentioned I think, one called a thousand red lanterns, or candles, or something - I can't remember it's name but I wanted to see it, duly forgot the name and promptly forgot who said it - but I'm sure it was you.

Also, just watched Kill Bill again earlier, it's fantastic, I know it split opinion at first, but it's so OTT and overstated that's it's fecking subtly cool.
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'Raise the red lantern' I presume. and it'll definitely be Spoony that recommened it in the movie review thread.
 
Excal said:
Movies that have suffered on later viewings for me:

Back to the Future: Partly due to the fact that the 80's (for all that I lived through them) seem as dead as the 50's to me, this also just seems like a well-done popcorn flick. Good, but hardly worthy of the status it's granted. This feels like one of those movies where, in terms of consensus opinion, popularity has taken the place of quality.

The Sixth Sense: Partly because Shyamalamadingdong just made the same movie four or five more times, (I've stopped counting. And watching,) and partly because the edgy atmosphere is just lost once the twist is no longer a surprise. It's left a sort of meandering drama that again isn't bad, but is more notable in the fact that it was a big hit, and convinced Hollywood to continue fund MNS' movies for years despite the lack of any new ideas.

Fight Club: I am Jack's terminal boredom with Palahniuk. I thought this was brilliant when it came out. I was also 20 when it came out. Now it seems shallow and inane. Think this mostly appeals to adolescents (of all ages).
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As relevant now as it was then. Still my favorite. The fact that this was produced by a major studio is still a miracle, and I have neverending respect for Fincher for doing the film exactly the way he wanted to, even if it meant failing financially.
 
Heardy said:
Just watching A Clockwork Orange again!!

Remarkable film-how this can escape anybody's Top 100 is incredible.
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It escapes mine easily. I didn't get Kubrick's point at all. He wanted to explore morality, fine, but what exactly was the message he was trying to get across? Whatever it was, it wasn't clear enough to a stupid cnut like me.
 
AdZzUtd said:
Yeah, I'm on it, thanks for the recommendations, I'll try them all. You mentioned I think, one called a thousand red lanterns, or candles, or something - I can't remember it's name but I wanted to see it, duly forgot the name and promptly forgot who said it - but I'm sure it was you.

Also, just watched Kill Bill again earlier, it's fantastic, I know it split opinion at first, but it's so OTT and overstated that's it's fecking subtly cool.
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I'm guessing you mean Raise The Red Lantern?

Kill Bill is fantastic! The kills and blood spurts are overly dramatic but that's the whole idea, it almost pays homage to a lot of the older films that focus in the Orient.

Tarantino is fantastic as a storyteller in my opinion, I enjoy that his films are often chaptered and the story flicks between them as they do in a novel!

For me, Pulp Fiction is his best work, although I did really enjoy Inglorious Basterds largely due to Cristolphe Waltz's performance, and even thought Brad Pitt was great in it, something I haven't found myself saying since Fight Club.
 
Another thing that surprises me (which shouldn't considering the demographic) is that the original list had a serious lack of animated films on it, Toy Story is not the best animated film of all time.

Any Top 100 Films of all time list that doesn't include Snow White loses credibility, I'd consider a few other classic disney films as well.
 
Team Brian GB said:
Another thing that surprises me (which shouldn't considering the demographic) is that the original list had a serious lack of animated films on it, Toy Story is not the best animated film of all time.

Any Top 100 Films of all time list that doesn't include Snow White loses credibility, I'd consider a few other classic disney films as well.
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I'd consider Grave of the Fireflies. Too bad most people have not seen it. I've never seen anything as moving and sad as that one.
 
Subjective of course, but I don't see Snow White as a stand out animated film!

Interesting point on Fight Club, really has gathered a cult following, and it flutters around my Top 10! I wonder why some films are Box Office flops but garner huge popularity on DVD release? Can only assume it was down to a relatively poor promotional campaign.

I do actually seem to recall a story behind Fight Club failing, and it being that Fox put all its efforts into promoting another picture. I'm on my blackberry so hard to look at which it was, but I'm sure someone else can verify.
 
Saliph said:
I'd consider Grave of the Fireflies. Too bad most people have not seen it. I've never seen anything as moving and sad as that one.
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Is it that the Japanese focus most of their attention on so many films being animated regardless of subject matter, or is that they are just very good at making them?
 
Heardy said:
Subjective of course, but I don't see Snow White as a stand out animated film!
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It was the animated film that made animated films, and proved that Disney could produce films so it is hugely significant. Plus not many films have the same appeal for their intended demographic seventy years after it was made, and still looks very, very good, certainly not as old as it actually is.
 
Regarding Disney, I definitely think there are atleast two or three that should make a list. For me, I'd go with The Lion King (Their last great Renaissance) The Jungle Book (Arguably one of the greatest animations of all time) then one of the real classics, I.e. Snow White/Cinderella/Dumbo etc., depending purely on personal opinion.
 
Heardy said:
Subjective of course, but I don't see Snow White as a stand out animated film!

Interesting point on Fight Club, really has gathered a cult following, and it flutters around my Top 10! I wonder why some films are Box Office flops but garner huge popularity on DVD release? Can only assume it was down to a relatively poor promotional campaign.

I do actually seem to recall a story behind Fight Club failing, and it being that Fox put all its efforts into promoting another picture. I'm on my blackberry so hard to look at which it was, but I'm sure someone else can verify.
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20th Century Fox promoted Fight Club as a "fight film". Considering how they behaved when Fincher "made" Alien3, for Fincher it was kind of the perfect response. He gave them the finger whilst making the best film of his career, costing some of their people their jobs in the process.
 
I don't think I'd put either Toy Story or Snow White in my top 100 for quality alone. Really, the notable thing about those movies is the impact they had on moviemaking, and I'd argue the Disney movies didn't impact any studio other than Disney's!

Animated films I'd consider putting in my top 100:

Fantasia
The Lion King
Dumbo
A Nightmare Before Christmas (criminally underrated)
Wall-E
Spirited Away
Princess Mononoke
Grave of the Fireflies
 
I was just about to add The Jungle Book as on a par with Snow White in terms of timeframe! Not 100% sure on the difference.

I take your point on Snow White as being pivotal to Disney as a studio and seeing it as instrumental to their initial growth. But it's affect on the studio is a whole different argument isn't it?!

Again I think you can say that the majority of Disney films are largely timeless, as are all animated stories, because the imagination of a child is easily captured, and isn't as easily influenced by popular culture that changes massively by generation!

Horror/action age, sometimes terribly so.
Comedy changes with every generation depending on what is considered taboo/risque.

Fairies, talking toys, pirates, magic - they'll always appeal to the mind of a child.
 
And on the fact that Snow White hasn't aged - it has been digitally remastered and if you were to compare the initial VHS with a Blu Ray copy, I bet they're quite different.
 
Heardy said:
I was just about to add The Jungle Book as on a par with Snow White in terms of timeframe! Not 100% sure on the difference.

I take your point on Snow White as being pivotal to Disney as a studio and seeing it as instrumental to their initial growth. But it's affect on the studio is a whole different argument isn't it?!

Again I think you can say that the majority of Disney films are largely timeless, as are all animated stories, because the imagination of a child is easily captured, and isn't as easily influenced by popular culture that changes massively by generation!

Horror/action age, sometimes terribly so.
Comedy changes with every generation depending on what is considered taboo/risque.

Fairies, talking toys, pirates, magic - they'll always appeal to the mind of a child.
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I take your point, though there will be films on the list due to technical innovation or setting a new precedent - such as 2001: A Space Odyssey or the first Star Wars film.
 
Heardy said:
And on the fact that Snow White hasn't aged - it has been digitally remastered and if you were to compare the initial VHS with a Blu Ray copy, I bet they're quite different.
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That point I'll definately concede though so many pre-1960 films have been remastered now.
 
Why not pick the top 10 in each genre - comedy, romance, adventure, science fiction, ...? That way we can get more detailed information about what the arbiters think is good?
 
surf said:
Why not pick the top 10 in each genre - comedy, romance, adventure, science fiction, ...? That way we can get more detailed information about what the arbiters think is good?
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We've done that too. It's there somewhere in the movie review thread
 
Snow said:
Well, I counted 25 of that list, 5 of which are top 50. I however have at least 5 of those movies readily available to me. 10 if them were already on my 'you have to see this now' list.
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You've seen fewer than 25.5%, Snow. You tell me, is it possible for you to watch a shed load of movies from now till Christmas?
 
Ok, I've bolded the ones I've seen:

1.Godfather 2
2.Godfather
3.Apocalypse Now
4.Goodfellas
5.Taxi Driver
6.Raging Bull
7.Blade Runner
8.Casablanca
9.Clockwork Orange, A
10.The Good, the Bad, the Ugly
11.One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
12.In the Mood for Love
13.Das Boot
14.Seven Samurai
15.Deer Hunter, The
16.Dr Strangelove
17.On the Waterfront
18.Star Wars - The Empire Strikes Back
19.Pulp Fiction
20.City of God
21.Usual Suspects, The
22.Jaws
23.Alien
24.Memento
25.Scarface
26.Great Escape, The
27.Life of Brian
28.Double Indemnity
29.Full Metal Jacket
30.Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark
31.Schindlers list
32.Mullholland Drive
33.Aliens
34.Se7en
35.Amelie
36.Shining, The
37.Silence of the Lambs
38.Platoon
39.Fight Club
40.Reservoir Dogs
41.Casino
42.Chinatown
43.Shawshank Redemption, The
44.Terminator 2
45.To Kill a Mockingbird
46.2001: A Space Odyssey
47.Big Lebowski, The
48.Citizen Kane
49.Old Boy
50.Streetcar Named Desire, A
51.Terminator
52.It’s a Wonderful Life
53.Once Upon a Time in the West
54.Seventh Seal
55.Star Wars: A New Hope
56.Monty Python and the Holy Grail
57.12 Angry Men
58.Blue Velvet
59.Rear Window
60.Some Like it Hot
61.Lawrence of Arabia
62.Once Upon A Time in America
63.Third Man, The
64.Ran
65.Rashomon
66.Trainspotting
67.Hiroshima mon amour
68.Psycho
69.Downfall, The
70.Breathless
71.Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
72.Brazil
73.Matrix
74.LA Confidential
75.Modern Times
76.Wild at Heart
77.American Beauty
78.Cool Hand Luke
79.Sunset Boulevard
80.Planet of the Apes
81.Leaving las vegas
82.Rocky
83.400 Blows, The
84.Back to the Future
85.Network
86.Donnie Darko
87.Solyaris(Tarkovsky)....this'd be my no.1
88.Leon
89.Ichi the Killer
90.Fargo
91.Exorcist, The
92.Toy Story
93.Dog Day Afternoon
94.Gladiator
95.Being John Malkovich
96.Twelve Monkeys
97.Fistful of Dollars, A
98.Mean Streets
99.Diaboliques, Les
100.Die Hard
 
I'm not going to read a 7-page thread, whats happening and what am I supposed to do?
 
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